Color me shocked

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The CDC numbers indicate covid deaths were over-reported. Who knew? Other than anybody paying attention.   

AND the New York Times actually mentions it, which is the shocking part for me: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/17/briefing/covid.html

The official number is probably an exaggeration because it includes some people who had virus when they died even though it was not the underlying cause of death. Other C.D.C. data suggests that almost one-third of official recent Covid deaths have fallen into this category. A study published in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases came to similar conclusions.

[Tuco]

Died "of covid" or died "with covid"?
I know the coof killed folks. I had it 2x and was beat T.F. up.

But died "of toenail fungus" or died "with toenail fungus"?

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Died "of covid" or died "with covid"?
I know the coof killed folks. I had it 2x and was beat T.F. up.

But died "of toenail fungus" or died "with toenail fungus"?

Exactly the point made in the article. In fact, the section I quoted is labeled "With vs. from"

[Kingcreek]

Covid pandemic was used by many powerful people and big pharma etc to vastly increase their wealth and power. No surprise that everything was called Covid. CDC even recently admitted altering death certificates.

[RocketMan]

Don't forget that the fed.gov subsidized covid, giving hospitals money for each covid patient.  You don't suppose that might have encouraged some false reporting?  Nah, that would not have happened.

[MechAg94]

Don't forget that the fed.gov subsidized covid, giving hospitals money for each covid patient.  You don't suppose that might have encouraged some false reporting?  Nah, that would not have happened.

And the Big drug companies subsidized the media.  They were shutting down any serious questions by buying a whole bunch of advertising and still are. 

[WLJ]

When I was going regularly for hand therapy I had several of the therapists and more than one doc and nurse tell me they knew the numbers were being fudged at the hospital. Basically in many cases if a patient that died tested positive for COVID they were put down as having died from COVID whether or not that was true.
Died from COVID or died with COVID?

[MechAg94]

Did the local hospitals get some subsidy back to pay for COVID deaths?  Money is always a big motivator to do stuff like that.

[cordex]

Did the local hospitals get some subsidy back to pay for COVID deaths?  Money is always a big motivator to do stuff like that.

I believe it was done under the CARES Act's Provider Relief Fund.  I think it ended up being funded to around $175 billion in 2020 - more than twice as much as we've sent to Ukraine (including humanitarian, financial, security assistance, weapons and equipment, grants and loans for weapons and equipment).

The payments were made on both a general and targeted basis.  I believe the general distribution was based on how many Medicare patients had been served the previous year.  The targeted distribution is what has been described, of which there was somewhere between $20 and $22 billion.

https://www.hrsa.gov/provider-relief/payments-and-data/past-payments/targeted-distribution

The first round of COVID-19 High-Impact Area payments paid out $76,975 for each COVID 19 admission through April 10, 2020 if the hospital had over 100 admissions.

The second round of COVID-19 High-Impact Area payments provided $50,000 per COVID 19 admission for hospitals with a COVID-19 admission count over 160 between January 1 and June 10, 2020, or if the COVID admission per bed was at least 0.54864.

There were some other targeted payments but that $20-22 billion were the only federal programs I'm aware of that specifically compensated hospitals for the number of COVID-19 admissions.

Some states took other CARES funding and allocated it to healthcare providers, but I'm not sure how those funds were distributed.

[RocketMan]

I posted a link to a document in another thread a year or two back that broke down the payment amounts by the area where hospitals are located.  Unfortunately, I don't remember exactly which thread it was in.  I do remember that many rural or remotely located hospitals got larger reimbursements than larger, more centrally located hospitals.