Execution by Nitrogen = Torture

[Pb]

Is there something in mind that makes you mention that exception?

Sure, that would reduce the likelyhood that, say, a murderer could lay an ambush for the cops.

The wrong address problem would remain though.

Right now, no-knocks are used for non-violent things sometimes, which is inexcusable.

[WLJ]

REAKING NEWSSCOTUS denies appeal by Kenneth Eugene Smith to halt world's first nitrogen execution and allows Alabama to put him to death by inhaling the gas: Eats final meal of Waffle House steak and eggs
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13007595/SCOTUS-denies-Kenneth-Eugene-Smith-execution-nitrogen-gas.html

US Supreme Court declines to halt execution of Alabama inmate set to be the first to die by nitrogen gas today
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/25/us/kenneth-smith-nitrogen-gas-execution-alabama/index.html

[JTHunter]

Considering they botched a previous attempt with an injection AND that the prisoner CHOSE this method himself, I don't see a problem with this method.
It's "hypoxia" (low level of oxygen) caused by replacing the normal air mixture.  He passes out then passes away.

[WLJ]

No surprise here

The Supreme Court voted 6-3 to allow the execution to proceed, with the three Democrat-appointed Justices, Sonia Sotomayor, Ketanji Brown Jackson, and Elana Kagan dissented the opinion of their conservative colleagues.

[WLJ]

Done

Alabama death row inmate executed with nitrogen gas, nation's first by a new method in 42 years
https://www.foxnews.com/us/alabama-death-row-inmate-executed-nitrogen-gas-nations-first-new-method-42-years

[230RN]

Heh.  Every container of liquid nitrogen  ("LN2") has a big warning about using it  in a well ventilated place.  Upshot is you can suffocate from it without warning because breathing it will not give any "out of breath" sensation.

They also use it to euthanize the many pets at the dog pound because the animals just "go to sleep" without any respiratory stress.

The UN monkeys should be aware that this method of euthanasia is pretty much painless, so it brings up the question of why it is being challenged. 

The only thing I can think of is that the UN monkeys are confusing it with "the Bends," which is caused by breathing compressed nitrogen in deep-sea diving and coming up too fast.

[WLJ]

The UN monkeys should be aware that this method of euthanasia is pretty much painless, so it brings up the question of why it is being challenged. 

Because we're doing it.
If it was China doing it I doubt they would even mention it in passing. 

[K Frame]

Read an article on the execution this morning.

The writer took great pains to describe in one paragraph about how the prisoner "seemed" to struggle and gasp for several minutes before going unconscious. That came right after a paragraph quoting someone who decried the use of nitrogen as torture.

 

Let's just go back to a bullet in the back of the freaking head.

It worked well for Vasily Blokhin throughout the Soviet era.

[Northwoods]

The UN monkeys don't care about intellectual honesty. Or any form of honesty.

[WLJ]

Let's just go back to a bullet in the back of the freaking head.

It worked well for Vasily Blokhin throughout the Soviet era.

Proven effective tens of millions of times by socialists the world over so it should get the UN stamp of approval especially if you include a good "green" composting plan.

[Pb]

The daily mail is claiming the execution was torturous:   :'(

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13008191/Kenneth-Eugene-Smith-nitrogen-executed-first.html

Detcord could have prevented this.

[griz]

The UN monkeys should be aware that this method of euthanasia is pretty much painless, so it brings up the question of why it is being challenged. 

As near as I can tell their position (at least in effect if not stated as such) is that execution is inherently wrong, so any method is torture.  I wish they would state that their objections are to executions, not methods, but I guess they'll play any card they think can win.

I had a friend who said that the only humane way would be a big hydraulic press with a cyclic time of nanoseconds.  Like swatting a fly.  I think it's easier to clean up after the nitrogen.

[WLJ]

Titanic tour sub

[Brad Johnson]

I had a friend who said that the only humane way would be a big hydraulic press with a cyclic time of nanoseconds.

Okay, so detcord again.

Brad

[MechAg94]

Titanic tour sub

I don't think you need to go that deep, but it could still be instant.  I think I read a fiction novel that talked about that with an old style diving suit.  Just need a reuseable one with an easy way to clean it out. 

[WLJ]

The curtains opened. The death warrant was read. Then the most violent execution I've ever seen began: The thrashing... the retching.... the last gasp - my view from the witness gallery of the world's first nitrogen suffocation that will haunt me forever
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13010885/Kenneth-Eugene-Smith-Alabama-nitrogen-gas-execution-witness-view.html

The anti-execution crowd is going to milk this like crazy

[Blakenzy]

I don't know. I think people don't want to accept what the nitty gritty of death and more specifically an execution is and are trying to dress it up into something more palatable with contrived elaborate procedures and methods. Which is putting lipstick on a pig.

[BobR]

The curtains opened. The death warrant was read. Then the most violent execution I've ever seen began: The thrashing... the retching.... the last gasp - my view from the witness gallery of the world's first nitrogen suffocation that will haunt me forever
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13010885/Kenneth-Eugene-Smith-Alabama-nitrogen-gas-execution-witness-view.html

The anti-execution crowd is going to milk this like crazy

I wonder what their protocol is, if they just slap a mask on I can see that happening because even if the executee (?) feels nothing he knows what is happening and will struggle in response I would bet. OTOH, if they put him in the K hole or some other sedative like propofol prior to the mask and switching over to N2 he should drift off like a baby taking a nap.

bob

[MechAg94]

I don't know. I think people don't want to accept what the nitty gritty of death and more specifically an execution is and are trying to dress it up into something more palatable with contrived elaborate procedures and methods. Which is putting lipstick on a pig.

I tend to agree with that.

It wasn't clear exactly when the nitrogen flow started, but after a few minutes, Smith began to react vigorously.

So the reporter had no idea when the N2 was started.  I sort of wonder if the executed knew or if someone fouled up the transition.  Might have just switched over to mixed gas before going to 0% O2 and he was reacting to the change in air type.  I don't see struggling occurring at 0% Oxygen, but I don't know their procedure. 

[Ben]

I wonder what their protocol is, if they just slap a mask on I can see that happening because even if the executee (?) feels nothing he knows what is happening and will struggle in response I would bet. OTOH, if they put him in the K hole or some other sedative like propofol prior to the mask and switching over to N2 he should drift off like a baby taking a nap.

bob

Very good point. I guess I kinda assumed that they would dope him first.

[MechAg94]

If they had to use a sedative, they would have to publicize that and wind up in the same boat with drugs needed that they can't get.  I figure they were transitioning to some sort of mixed air before going to full nitrogen and he was reacting to that.  Hard to say without knowing what was happening.  That reporter doesn't know either.

I never saw either one of these, but I think I can safely say that Death by Electrocution is much more violent than what this reporter saw. 

[MechAg94]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_Kenneth_Eugene_Smith

Smith was convicted of the March 18, 1988, murder-for-hire of Elizabeth Sennett in Colbert County, Alabama. Charles Sennett Sr., Elizabeth's husband, recruited Billy Gray Williams to murder his wife. Williams in turn recruited Smith and John Forrest Parker to assist in the murder. Smith and Parker carried out the murder and stabbed Elizabeth Sennett to death at her home in Colbert County. A week after Elizabeth's murder, Charles Sennett Sr. killed himself when he learned he was a suspect in the murder. Billy Gray Williams was sentenced to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole and died in prison in November 2020. Smith and John Forrest Parker were both sentenced to death. Parker was executed via lethal injection in June 2010.[3]

Somehow I suspect his execution was much less violent than stabbing that woman to death. 

[WLJ]

I'm open to the possibility the reporter is just making stuff up or exaggerating to push a narrative but we all know that could never happen

[Northwoods]

I'm open to the possibility the reporter is just making stuff up or exaggerating to push a narrative but we all know that could never happen before

Let me find my shocked face.

[Pb]

I'm open to the possibility the reporter is just making stuff up or exaggerating to push a narrative but we all know that could never happen

The daily mail sometimes has articles just to piss off its readers and get viewers... I'm pretty sure this is one of them.