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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2007, 09:15:03 AM »
Magazines. Not clips.  smiley

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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2007, 11:12:56 AM »
A friend of mine has old copies of The Economist in his bathroom.  After reading a few articles, I couldn't figure out whether to use those or the toilet paper.
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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2007, 06:30:21 PM »
Don't wipe with it.  The Economist is a good magazine.  Not always right in the head, but at least they have some perspective. 
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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2007, 07:23:26 PM »
Perhaps, Fistful, but it's articles like this one that helped form my opinion.


http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9040170

And here's how I responded to it on another forum:

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As for this article, it is useful for lining the bottom of a bird cage.

"Americans are in fact queasier about guns than the national debate might suggest. Only a third of households now have guns, down from 54% in 1977. In poll after poll a clear majority has supported tightening controls"

Failure to cite sources. Polls must be weighed against the demographics of those polled. These statements cannot be evaluated without the source.

"Very few Americans support a complete ban, even of handgunsthere are too many out there already..."

The first part of this statement may be fact, but the second is clearly the opinion of the author, and should not be within the same clause.

"But much could still be done without really infringing that right."

Is that like being a little bit pregnant?

"The assault-weapons ban should be renewed, with its egregious loopholes removed."

Banning firearms because they look scary is no way to address crime.

"No civilian needs an AK-47 for a legitimate purpose..."

Since no self-defense situation ever involves rapidly engaging multiple targets... right?

"but you can buy one online for $379.99."

You can order a firearm online, but it must be shipped to a Federal Firearms License holder. When you appear in person to pick it up, you are run through the National Instant Check System (NICS), which confirms your legality to possess a firearm.

"Guns could be made much safer, with the mandatory fitting of child-proof locks."

Many manufacturers already offer integral locking systems on their firearms, but the idea of making them mandatory for all pistols is only legitimate if their use was also mandatory, which is not enforceable.

"A system of registration for guns and gun-owners, as exists in all other rich countries, threatens no one but the criminal."

Since registration has led to confiscation in the United States, this statement is demonstrably untrue.

"Cooling-off periods..."

This snares people who have an immediate legitimate need for a defensive firearm as well as those who can (theoretically) harbor a grudge long enough to sit through filling out a form 4473 and waiting for the FBI to call back with a NICS approval.

"a much more open flow of intelligence, tighter rules on the trading of guns and a wider blacklist of those ineligible to buy them would all help."

The first and last clauses of this statement are referring to how Cho, the VT killer, passed a NICS check because he lied on a the form 4473 and his mental problems never warranted being reported to the FBI. Lying on the 4473 and murder are already illegal, and by what standards do we involuntarily adjudicate someone as mentally incompetent to own firearms? In this case, it sounds like Cho did enough to warrant that, and therefore should have been denied via the NICS check. Still, the person who bears the responsibility for this crime is Cho, and we should never forget that.

As for tighter rules for the trading of firearms, it is already illegal to knowingly transfer a firearm to a person who cannot legally possess one. The only other option would be to outlaw private party sales entirely, which I disagree with.
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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2007, 08:19:11 PM »
Oh, I know they're not gun-happy, home-schooling, libertarian conservatives.  But I often find it worth perusing while at the Book & Brew.  International coverage, and all that. 
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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2007, 03:21:10 AM »
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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2007, 05:50:50 AM »
Fair enough.  I think I might have better served myself in this thread by simply saying that The Economist is probably not the best source for unbiased political coverage.
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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2007, 06:40:40 AM »
Oh come on, Dev, don't mess up our argument by seeing my side of things.  Bloody consensus, grumble, grumble.   smiley


I believe, in some articles I've read, they have pointed out the stifling effects of the state-run economy.  I guess that's to be expected from a British publication, considering their unfortunate experience with socialism, and subsequent privatizing of industries under Thatcher. 

And last week, they had a little article about stupid college students wearing Che shirts and having no idea what Che actually did or stood for.   grin
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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2014, 11:55:36 AM »
Boy, were they wrong.

Here's another good one:
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=12973.0
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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2014, 12:00:54 PM »
Boy, were they wrong.

Here's another good one:
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=12973.0

Dude, seriously. It's bad enough KD5lang over there is necroing things right and left, you don't need to get in on the action.
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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2014, 12:09:18 PM »
KD5Lang -  :lol:
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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2014, 12:10:42 PM »
Don't wipe with it.  The Economist is a good magazine.  Not always right in the head, but at least they have some perspective. 

The House Magazine of the Establishment.

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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2014, 01:27:10 PM »
 [barf]  I don't wanna think about this for the whole next two years!!
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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2014, 03:30:44 PM »
[barf]  I don't wanna think about this for the whole next two years!!

When you're digging that hole in the sand for your head, leave some airspace, it's gonna be the only way to avoid this discussion. And have some dramamine handy on 1/21/17, you may need it. =(
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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2014, 04:47:32 PM »
[barf]  I don't wanna think about this for the whole next two years!!

Don't worry, ol' Hillary will be the Dem presidential candidate (and election winner) in 2016. Gotta elect the first woman president, after all!

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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2014, 04:51:50 PM »
Don't worry, ol' Hillary will be the Dem presidential candidate (and election winner) in 2016. Gotta elect the first woman president, after all!



Wasn't that exactly what you said in 2008?
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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2014, 04:58:51 PM »
Wasn't that exactly what you said in 2008?

Looked back and saw no record of such in my post history.



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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2014, 05:43:30 PM »
Looked back and saw no record of such in my post history.





Huh, interesting. I could have sworn I saw that, although it's so long ago I'm probably confusing you with someone else. Maybe it was under your old username? I know the forum does funky things sometimes when folks change their names.

Anyway, not trying to pick a fight just a mistake.
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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2014, 05:54:05 PM »
Huh, interesting. I could have sworn I saw that, although it's so long ago I'm probably confusing you with someone else. Maybe it was under your old username? I know the forum does funky things sometimes when folks change their names.

Anyway, not trying to pick a fight just a mistake.

It drug up posts even from my old username when I searched.

Must have been somebody else?

Regardless, I think Hilary will be the Dem candidate, and I think she was mollified after losing the primary by the promise of "2016 will be yours"

Right now she can claim to be "not interested" in running and then decide to enter when we get closer to the Dem primary.





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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2014, 07:44:14 PM »
When you're digging that hole in the sand for your head, leave some airspace, it's gonna be the only way to avoid this discussion. And have some dramamine handy on 1/21/17, you may need it. =(

No holes in the ground; I think I'll just find some deserted island out in the South Pacific with lots of cocoanuts and dancing girls in grass dresses.  [popcorn] [tinfoil] :laugh:
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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2014, 07:56:43 PM »
No holes in the ground; I think I'll just find some deserted island out in the South Pacific with lots of cocoanuts and dancing girls in grass dresses.  [popcorn] [tinfoil] :laugh:

If it's deserted there won't be any dancing girls...
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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2014, 09:05:26 PM »
They show up after the hunger sets in >:D

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Re: Economist thinks Hillary has highest chance of winning
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2014, 12:21:39 AM »
If it's deserted there won't be any dancing girls...

I'll import them then!  =D
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