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Duuuude! It's, like, the allness of the universe, man!
« on: November 16, 2007, 10:57:13 AM »
Just hit Fox News.

If you care, the story page at FoxNews.com has a couple of interesting links.

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Laid-Back Surfer Dude May Be Next Einstein
Friday, November 16, 2007

A surfer dude with no fixed address may be this century's Einstein.

A. Garrett Lisi, a physicist who divides his time between surfing in Maui and teaching snowboarding in Lake Tahoe, has come up with what may be the Grand Unified Theory.

That's the "holy grail" of physics that scientists have been searching for ever since Albert Einstein presented his General Theory of Relativity nearly 100 years ago.

Even more remarkable is that Lisi, who has a Ph.D. but no permanent university affiliation, solves the problem without resorting to exotic dimensions, string theory or exceptionally complex mathematics.

A successful Grand Unified Theory would use a series of equations to show how the four fundamental forces of nature  gravity, electromagnetism and the strong and weak nuclear forces  relate to each other.

Electromagnetism and the weak nuclear force, which controls radioactivity, were linked more than 30 years ago, and some progress has been made with linking them to the strong nuclear force, which binds protons together in the atomic nucleus.

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But gravity has always been an outlier. Not only have all attempts to link gravity to the other three forces failed, but physicists still can't agree on what gravity actually is or how it works.

Lisi solves this by using the E8 lattice, an eight-dimensional structure visualized earlier this year in a widely circulated paper.

He noticed that several of the equations used to describe the lattice matched those he'd come up with trying to resolve the four fundamental forces.

"The moment this happened my brain exploded with the implications and the beauty of the thing," Lisi tells New Scientist magazine. "I thought: 'Holy crap, that's it!'"

By mapping known subatomic particles, plus 20 imaginary ones, onto the 248 points of the E8 lattice, and then rotating the lattice in a computer model, Lisi shows how the particles elegantly combine to form three of the four forces.

The imaginary ones combine to form gravity, for which subatomic particles have only been theorized.

"Some incredibly beautiful stuff falls out of Lisi's theory," David Ritz Finkelstein of Georgia Tech tells New Scientist. "I think that this must be more than coincidence and he really is touching on something profound."

But Professor Marcus du Sautoy of Oxford tells Britain's Daily Telegraph that "there seem to be a lot of things still to fill in."

For his part, Lisi self-mockingly calls his finding "An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything," and downplays the suggestion that it may be the Grand Unified Theory.

"The theory is very young, and still in development," he tells the Daily Telegraph. "Right now, I'd assign a low (but not tiny) likelihood to this prediction."

He hopes the Large Hadron Collider, or LHC, currently being built on the Swiss-French border will find some of his 20 imaginary gravity-related particles.

"This is an all-or-nothing kind of theory  it's either going to be exactly right, or spectacularly wrong," Lisi tells New Scientist. "I'm the first to admit this is a long shot. But it ain't over till the LHC sings."

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Re: Duuuude! It's, like, the allness of the universe, man!
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2007, 11:36:24 AM »
I've got theories of particle physics, too . . .

Particles of time: Chronons are everywhere, and when they pass you up, they cause the apparent passage of time. If you're in an accelerated frame, fewer chronons pass you up, so time seems to slow down. As you appoach light speed, time slows enormously . . .

Particles of friction: Every surface has a layer of frikions, which cause friction. Rubber has a many, so rubbing it causes much friction, which you can see when you hit the brakes of your car on a dry road. Teflon has fewer surface frikions, as does smooth ice. Liquids like water and oil can wash many of these away . . .

Particles of gravity: These gravitons normally press on you from every direction; if you're in outer space, they press from every direction equally, leading to weightlessness. If you're on a planet, well, the planet itself blocks many gravitons from beneath you, so only the ones coming from above have an effect . . . so they keep you grounded.

Any effects that don't match these theories can be simply discounted as observational error.  grin
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Re: Duuuude! It's, like, the allness of the universe, man!
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2007, 12:44:52 PM »
I'd like to see experimental confirmations. LIGO is still searching for gravitational waves. So far, nothing.

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Re: Duuuude! It's, like, the allness of the universe, man!
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2007, 01:35:02 PM »
Will this scientific discovery finally destroy my faith in hokey religions? 
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Re: Duuuude! It's, like, the allness of the universe, man!
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2007, 01:37:39 PM »
I doubt it. Those four forces were obviously designed by something.
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Re: Duuuude! It's, like, the allness of the universe, man!
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2007, 01:39:44 PM »
...and they still won't be able to figure out why it doesn't just fly apart.

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Re: Duuuude! It's, like, the allness of the universe, man!
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2007, 05:25:47 PM »
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Will this scientific discovery finally destroy my faith in hokey religions? 

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Re: Duuuude! It's, like, the allness of the universe, man!
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2007, 12:08:24 PM »
...and they still won't be able to figure out why it doesn't just fly apart.

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Re: Duuuude! It's, like, the allness of the universe, man!
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2007, 12:10:53 PM »
Hank, after reading your post now I have to curl up into a ball and talk to myself under a bridge over the Wabash.

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Re: Duuuude! It's, like, the allness of the universe, man!
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2007, 12:22:48 PM »
Hank, after reading your post now I have to curl up into a ball and talk to myself under a bridge over the Wabash.

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Re: Duuuude! It's, like, the allness of the universe, man!
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2007, 12:35:36 PM »
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I doubt it. Those four forces were obviously designed by something.

The pertinent question is "What was ths something smoking, and why the heck is it not sharing it with the rest of us?"

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Re: Duuuude! It's, like, the allness of the universe, man!
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2007, 07:10:35 AM »
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By mapping known subatomic particles, plus 20 imaginary ones, onto the 248 points of the E8 lattice, and then rotating the lattice in a computer model, Lisi shows how the particles elegantly combine to form three of the four forces.

The imaginary ones combine to form gravity, for which subatomic particles have only been theorized.

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Re: Duuuude! It's, like, the allness of the universe, man!
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2007, 12:34:24 PM »
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Re: Duuuude! It's, like, the allness of the universe, man!
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2007, 12:57:37 PM »
I doubt it. Those four forces were obviously designed by something.
Obviously?Huh?

That's a major case of reducing the universe to a level limited by the imagination of man if I ever saw one.

In other words it's not obvious at all except to those of limited imagination, intellect or all ate up with religiosity.
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Re: Duuuude! It's, like, the allness of the universe, man!
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2007, 01:11:07 PM »
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By mapping known subatomic particles, plus 20 imaginary ones, onto the 248 points of the E8 lattice, and then rotating the lattice in a computer model, Lisi shows how the particles elegantly combine to form three of the four forces.

The imaginary ones combine to form gravity, for which subatomic particles have only been theorized.

Wow, I'm sold.

You misunderstand what they mean by imaginary. You should know that our current working method for calculating behavior of alternating currents, is based on imaginary electric fields.
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