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Re: Dallas PD lied about shooting of mentally ill man (On Video) Title Edited
« Reply #100 on: October 21, 2013, 04:30:07 PM »
In order:

Worse. Much worse. Much worse.

Corruption is corruption. By refusing to root out those in your profession who "make mistakes" (commit crimes), you encourage more who will do the same.

I don't expect any profession to clean itself up barring either a complete collapse of our country and/or a Revival. These "petty" corruptions will get worse as the country does as well.

Gee, almost as if prevailing cultural corruption and slipping social morality might (just might!) have an effect on the way folk conduct their lives.
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Re: Dallas PD lied about shooting of mentally ill man (On Video) Title Edited
« Reply #101 on: October 21, 2013, 04:32:44 PM »
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Re: Dallas PD lied about shooting of mentally ill man (On Video) Title Edited
« Reply #102 on: October 21, 2013, 08:11:12 PM »
So the bar for "bad cop" is set to "Drives like Balog and most other folks do when they think cops aren't around"?  If someone is "bad" because they violate traffic regulations and laws they don't agree with whenever they think they can get away with it, then we might as well label 98% of our society as "bad".

However, 98 percent of us "civilians" don't expect to be let off for speeding, reckless driving, or DUI without even a written warning, just because of a shiny piece of metal and/or an ID card in a wallet. And, as posted, the cops who give their brethren in uniform those breaks are equally wrong, and they count toward the 98 percent because they are NOT ... ENFORCING ... THE ... LAW when they cut their brethren those breaks.

Do you believe that police should mindlessly enforce all infractions they see no matter who is breaking the law and why, or do you believe that some level of discretion is acceptable?

Slippery slope alert: Once you accept that an official whose job is to "enforce" (not "interpret") the law should be allowed discretion in which laws he/she chooses to enforce, where do you draw the line as to which laws it's okay to ignore as opposed to which laws he/she should NOT be allowed to choose to ignore?
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Re: Dallas PD lied about shooting of mentally ill man (On Video) Title Edited
« Reply #103 on: October 21, 2013, 08:23:32 PM »
We are veering way off course.....  One factor not included in this is that police officers today are taxmen.  They catch you and you pay a fine.  The fine is a tax, it adds to the cities' coffers.  They are less likely to let anyone off except for a fellow officer or official.
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Re: Dallas PD lied about shooting of mentally ill man (On Video) Title Edited
« Reply #104 on: October 21, 2013, 09:09:04 PM »
And, as posted, the cops who give their brethren in uniform those breaks are equally wrong, and they count toward the 98 percent because they are NOT ... ENFORCING ... THE ... LAW when they cut their brethren those breaks.
Does it count as NOT ENFORCING THE LAW!!!!!!111!!! when they let off non-LE with a warning?

Slippery slope alert: Once you accept that an official whose job is to "enforce" (not "interpret") the law should be allowed discretion in which laws he/she chooses to enforce, where do you draw the line as to which laws it's okay to ignore as opposed to which laws he/she should NOT be allowed to choose to ignore?
If we were talking about felonies or serious misdemeanors then I would usually agree, but minor infractions like speeding?  No thanks, I don't like the idea of zero tolerance, and I don't think that police would ever find time to address any significant crime if they had to cite every infraction they saw.  Seems to me that I probably wouldn't have to do much searching on APS to find you coming out against zero tolerance policies elsewhere.  Not sure why you've suddenly become a supporter - zero tolerance is a slippery slope of its own.

We are veering way off course.....  One factor not included in this is that police officers today are taxmen.  They catch you and you pay a fine.  The fine is a tax, it adds to the cities' coffers.  They are less likely to let anyone off except for a fellow officer or official.
I know there are police whose primary job is traffic enforcement, but that is hardly universal.  As I've said, I do know some police personally and none of them focus on citations.  The people who get them tend to be people who have endangered people through violation.  The vast majority of stops lead to simple warnings.  Last time I asked only about 10% of my closest LEO friend's traffic stops ended up with tickets.  He showed me his annual report behind that number.

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Re: Dallas PD lied about shooting of mentally ill man (On Video) Title Edited
« Reply #105 on: October 21, 2013, 09:26:14 PM »
Does it count as NOT ENFORCING THE LAW!!!!!!111!!! when they let off non-LE with a warning?

I'm pretty sure "warning ticket" is just an urban legend.
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« Reply #106 on: October 21, 2013, 09:54:11 PM »
I'm pretty sure "warning ticket" is just an urban legend.
Um, I've personally received a two written warnings (from officers that I did not know) and seen literally dozens of people let off with written and verbal warnings.

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Re: Dallas PD lied about shooting of mentally ill man (On Video) Title Edited
« Reply #107 on: October 21, 2013, 10:32:38 PM »
Um, I've personally received a two written warnings (from officers that I did not know) and seen literally dozens of people let off with written and verbal warnings.

I've probably got about 8-10 written warnings and quite a few verbal warnings (mostly speeding, one written was for a tail-light out. Yes it was really out)

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Re: Dallas PD lied about shooting of mentally ill man (On Video) Title Edited
« Reply #108 on: October 21, 2013, 11:41:28 PM »
I've only personally known 4 LEO so far.  Of the four, 2 were into drugs (grass & speed), one cheated on his wife numerous times with various "ladies" (maybe not technically a crime) and the 4th is currently knowingly breaking state law by flooding his neighbors' property.  And every one of them drove over the posted speed limits regularly.

Very small field to draw conclusions from, but it's enough to make me go "hmmmm".

Re the OP, seems like a bad shoot to me.  There are many reports by LE on the numerous "less than lethal" responses they have available - they should have tried one or two before going in for the kill.

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Re: Dallas PD lied about shooting of mentally ill man (On Video) Title Edited
« Reply #109 on: October 22, 2013, 01:09:46 PM »
I've only personally known 4 LEO so far.  Of the four, 2 were into drugs (grass & speed), one cheated on his wife numerous times with various "ladies" (maybe not technically a crime) and the 4th is currently knowingly breaking state law by flooding his neighbors' property.  And every one of them drove over the posted speed limits regularly.

Very small field to draw conclusions from, but it's enough to make me go "hmmmm".

Re the OP, seems like a bad shoot to me.  There are many reports by LE on the numerous "less than lethal" responses they have available - they should have tried one or two before going in for the kill.

A whole ring of them were busted here recently for providing security after hours at an illegal horse racing track.
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Re: Dallas PD lied about shooting of mentally ill man (On Video) Title Edited
« Reply #112 on: October 22, 2013, 02:15:02 PM »
And docs nurses and teachers
Ugly too
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-many-die-from-medical-mistakes-in-us-hospitals

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Re: Dallas PD lied about shooting of mentally ill man (On Video) Title Edited
« Reply #113 on: October 22, 2013, 02:58:12 PM »
And folks that let em get off

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/05/08/marine-convicted-of-rape-walks-without-prison-time.html

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/130822/9-us-soldiers-who-got-less-time-than-manning

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And docs nurses and teachers
Ugly too
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-many-die-from-medical-mistakes-in-us-hospitals

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There's a huge difference (apparently lost on you) between some doing their best to save lives and making an inadvertent mistake and some pointing a gun at a person and pulling the trigger. 

Shall we now compare apples to bananas or grapefruit, as it's seems we've finished with oranges?
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Re: Dallas PD lied about shooting of mentally ill man (On Video) Title Edited
« Reply #114 on: October 22, 2013, 03:05:22 PM »
I shoulda been more specific about some of those docs killing folks and the how/why. You sure you want me too? They didn't like it at grm much.  The numbers are real grim. Drug impaired docs and nurses large numbers of their peers aware but keeping silent.
And in some cases continuing to practice


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Re: Dallas PD lied about shooting of mentally ill man (On Video) Title Edited
« Reply #115 on: October 22, 2013, 03:07:45 PM »
For example
1in three docs admit they don't report impaired or incompetent colleagues. 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/07/13/us-impaired-colleagues-idUSTRE66C5TO20100713

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« Reply #116 on: October 22, 2013, 03:13:27 PM »
Or

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/angels/female_nurses/index.html

It will get kinda monotonous. There are hundreds
Holler if these are enough

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Re: Dallas PD lied about shooting of mentally ill man (On Video) Title Edited
« Reply #120 on: October 22, 2013, 03:25:44 PM »
I shoulda been more specific about some of those docs killing folks and the how/why. You sure you want me too? They didn't like it at grm much.  The numbers are real grim. Drug impaired docs and nurses large numbers of their peers aware but keeping silent.
And in some cases continuing to practice


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My animosity to doctors is even stronger that my dislike of (most) cops.   :lol:

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Re: Dallas PD lied about shooting of mentally ill man (On Video) Title Edited
« Reply #121 on: October 22, 2013, 03:36:06 PM »
My animosity to doctors is even stronger that my dislike of (most) cops.   :lol:

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Re: Dallas PD lied about shooting of mentally ill man (On Video) Title Edited
« Reply #122 on: October 22, 2013, 03:45:02 PM »
The one good thing I can say about doctors is that they don't (yet) come to your house and break your door down to cut you open and take something out.
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Re: Dallas PD lied about shooting of mentally ill man (On Video) Title Edited
« Reply #123 on: October 22, 2013, 03:47:20 PM »
I've got a good doc i changed insurance to keep him


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Re: Dallas PD lied about shooting of mentally ill man (On Video) Title Edited
« Reply #124 on: October 22, 2013, 03:49:17 PM »
Can we get someone to spam the forum with more links please?  ;/
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