Self Defense via SUV

[HankB]

The detective involved in the motorcycle gang's assault on the SUV and its occupants has been arrested, and is facing charges of riot and criminal mischief: 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/6th-arrest-made-nyc-motorcycle-suv-assault-case-20512916

MAYBE we'll see justice done, and the perp-with-a-badge will do some time? Or, at the very least, acquire a record that makes him ineligible to be an LEO in the future?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

The detective involved in the motorcycle gang's assault on the SUV and its occupants has been arrested, and is facing charges of riot and criminal mischief: 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/6th-arrest-made-nyc-motorcycle-suv-assault-case-20512916

MAYBE we'll see justice done, and the perp-with-a-badge will do some time? Or, at the very least, acquire a record that makes him ineligible to be an LEO in the future?

I doubt it. The union lawyers will weasel it to a downgraded charge and he'll probably get his pension.  They might pitch the "stress of undercover work" and go for the hat trick of him resigning and getting disability . They'll hide it by getting some kinda initial ruling that seems close to appropriate but then 6 months a year later they appeal run it past the union arbitrator and voila.  Color me cynical


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[Boomhauer]

Why?

I've kept mine in the cup holder through the summer with no problems.

I do replace it every year just in case the heat may have deteriorated the potency, but that's paranoia on my part.

And yes, I do think - often - of rolling up next to that idiot with the hyper-bass speakers.  So far I have managed to restrain my urge.

Pro tip - make sure your windows are rolled down before deploying pepper spray from your vehicle.  Brought to you by a NRA-certified instructor who demonstrated to an entire class why that is necessary.

stay safe.

Believe he's talking about the wind driving some of the pepper spray back to you

While pepper spray is the gift that keeps on giving for a little while, I prefer better options. Pepper spray is best reserved for that bum that won't leave you alone at the gas pump after you've told him you don't have any change.

[Sergeant Bob]

I also vacillate between the psychological impact of a demonstration of the "making Ike's head into a canoe" concept, versus the applicability of having 15+ rounds.  

Best scene in the movie!

[makattak]

I kinda feel the same way.   I just need to get a truck gun of some type.   Maybe a basic Mossberg shotgun with a side-saddle or similar.

But while I agree that the logical thought process would be "hey, my buddy just got his head blowed off!  maybe I wanna think about un-arsing the area....."   The pursuit mentality does something to the brain....   This story comes to mind:  http://www.davehayes.org/2006/02/10/the-gary-fadden-incident

I will note something for you in that article. The first attacker ignored the lethal threat to his life.

After he was killed, the other attackers certainly had a lot of bravado, but decided to remain in the safety of their vehicle and no longer point guns at Mr. Fadden.

The "My buddy just got his head blown off!" does seem to work. The threat of that may not until they actually see someone go down, though.

[AmbulanceDriver]

mak, that's true.   Personally, I would think the 9 round full auto burst into the air would have grabbed his attention, but apparently he *still* thought the target was weak.  Until he caught 6 rounds to the center of mass.

[KD5NRH]

And yes, I do think - often - of rolling up next to that idiot with the hyper-bass speakers.  So far I have managed to restrain my urge.

Less violent: http://www.amazon.com/Shomer-Tec-Special-Ingredients-Pump-A-Dump-Putricant/dp/B00ABV7WEU

[Hawkmoon]

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree.  My defensive handguns, I have at least 15 rounds on me.  More often 25.   But this is the one thing I don't like about single-stack magazines.   But dangit, I like my 1911...

I agree.

That's why I own a couple of Para-Ordnance double stackers. 1911 manual of arms, 14+1 capacity. Completely reliable.

Luv 'em.

[tokugawa]

I also vacillate between the psychological impact of a demonstration of the "making Ike's head into a canoe" concept, versus the applicability of having 15+ rounds.  

I don't want to have something actually valuable as a "truck gun" so the AR is out.  And doing 3/4 of my travel on a motorcycle nowadays, more often than not even a cheap shotgun or thuddythuddy isn't an option.  Just regular CCW.  Though next bike is gonna have a secure storage compartment that will end up holding a couple extra mags.

 After watching a big grizzly roam around my campground at night in Wyoming, I considered getting a 18" coach gun with slugs- it would break down very short and be easy to pack on a bike. A .357 just seemed toylike...     A kel tec sub2000 or an ak underfolder also use very little space...

[Tallpine]

After watching a big grizzly roam around my campground at night in Wyoming, I considered getting a 18" coach gun with slugs- it would break down very short and be easy to pack on a bike. A .357 just seemed toylike...     A kel tec sub2000 or an ak underfolder also use very little space...

With a griz, you're probably not going to get more than two shots off anyway.

[tokugawa]

With a griz, you're probably not going to get more than two shots off anyway.

 That was my thinking also. 

[AZRedhawk44]

Anyone make an 18" (i.e. 18.5") side-by-side?  All of Stoeger's offerings seem to be 20".

[RevDisk]

Anyone make an 18" (i.e. 18.5") side-by-side?  All of Stoeger's offerings seem to be 20".

Here you go! Side by side.

http://www.impactguns.com/kel-tec-ksg-12-ga-18in-barrel-shotgun-ksg.aspx

 

[AZRedhawk44]

Here you go! Side by side.

http://www.impactguns.com/kel-tec-ksg-12-ga-18in-barrel-shotgun-ksg.aspx

 

Iz vaporware.   

Maybe I'll be able to get one in 10 years.

[tokugawa]

 Find an old but solid sxs and apply a hacksaw. Bonus points if the barrels are dented . The shows always have a bunch of them. No bonus points for cutting the barrels on a H and H or Purdey.......

[RoadKingLarry]

Anyone make an 18" (i.e. 18.5") side-by-side?  All of Stoeger's offerings seem to be 20".

1.5" is hardly going to be noticeable.

http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger-double-defense.php

[AZRedhawk44]

1.5" is hardly going to be noticeable.

http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger-double-defense.php

Unless you're trying to stuff a 20" barrel into an 18" wide motorcycle bag.

[tokugawa]

The thing about a sxs- the action is super short, with the barrels off, it is very close to the -18" length.
 So it will stow beside the barrels easily. Nice thing to have, tenting in bear country.

[Fitz]

SBS ftw

[Triphammer]

Saw today the prosecutor is dropping all charges.  Gave some BS reason. I'm thinking he can't justify hanging some of the bikers but not the cop.
 

[John G]

Saw today the prosecutor is dropping all charges.  Gave some BS reason. I'm thinking he can't justify hanging some of the bikers but not the cop.
 

All charges dropped? Against everyone? 

Can you provide a link to the story?

[RoadKingLarry]

If that's the case it will likely open the driver to civil action from the run down scumbag.

[Sergeant Bob]

All charges dropped? Against everyone? 

Can you provide a link to the story?

Saw today the prosecutor is dropping all charges.  Gave some BS reason. I'm thinking he can't justify hanging some of the bikers but not the cop.
 

I sure would like to read about it too. I checked Drudge and found nothing about it.

[Triphammer]

http://nypost.com/2013/10/02/da-wont-charge-bike-assault-thug-in-suv-beating/

Not the article I read earlier., But the same source.

[AJ Dual]