Sandford Is Done

[MicroBalrog]

This would be the presumption we're talking about. That your view is good and positive, and mine is bad and negative.

If you can refer to my behavior as degenerate, I can refer to yours as sex-negative.

[Balog]

Degenerate:

1 a: having declined or become less specialized (as in nature, character, structure, or function) from an ancestral or former state b: having sunk to a condition below that which is normal to a type

[MicroBalrog]

Yes. If you can refer to me as having morals "below that which is normal" or "declined from an ancestral state", why should I not call myself sex-positive? You're demanding I should accept your viewpoint before the argument even begins.


[Note that the term sex-positive has been used in the meaning I use it in, since first coined by W. Reich].

[Strings]

Threadlock in 3...

Can't you two stow the personal attacks?

[MicroBalrog]

I'm not attacking Balog at all. I'm pointing out the ridiculousness in claiming me describing my beliefs as "sex-positive" is an attack on other people's beliefs, while simultaneously calling me degenerate.

[lupinus]

[Balog]

/sigh

It's not about you Micro, unless you made the term up.

And yes, I think it's not unfair to characterize posting homemade porn as "below average" or declined from a previous state.

[Jamisjockey]

Okay bring it back on topic or it gets nuked.  I'm tired of closing threads in this board.  Can't we all just get along?

[Balog]

Fair enough.

Micro, I apologize. I was speaking of the general "He who defines the terms controls the debate way" and didn't mean to make it a personal thing.

On topic, does anyone know the truth of that report posted earlier that the paper sat on information about the affair for several months? That would seem odd to me, unless they were waiting to shoot him down and discredit him at the worst possible time.

[MicroBalrog]

It's okay. I wasn't really all that pissed. 

And for the record, I do believe adultery is wrong. Unless you're in a non-monogamous relationship, of course. 

[MicroBalrog]

To return to my argument, This is what conservatives will be passing on by tossing Sanford.

[Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas]

Minor point of order: Sanford. Like 'Sanford and Son'. Not Sandford.

I come down the other way, Savalas.  Emotional connections are not subject to rational whims.  The stronger the emotion, the harder it is to restrain.  Extreme love or hate are almost impossible to restrain.

Well, everybody's different. I've found emotions pretty easy to restrain. Especially positive ones.  
And that's why I consider Sanford to be worse for running around with his Argentine. He's not just involved in sexual infidelity, but emotional infidelity as well. Two strikes against him instead of one. Just my (peculiar) take on it.

On topic, does anyone know the truth of that report posted earlier that the paper sat on information about the affair for several months? That would seem odd to me, unless they were waiting to shoot him down and discredit him at the worst possible time.

As far as I know, it's true. Discrediting him at the worst time would sell a lot more papers, after all.

[Strings]

Again, I ask: Would folks be attacking him if his wife got on stage and said "It's between myself and my husband: none of your damn business!"?

Not trying to stir the pot here: being serious

[mtnbkr]

Again, I ask: Would folks be attacking him if his wife got on stage and said "It's between myself and my husband: none of your damn business!"?

Not trying to stir the pot here: being serious

I doubt it would change my opinion of him much unless his wife came out and made a statement to the effect of "we have an open marriage and Mark is free to date other women as long as he doesn't hide it from me" or something to that affect.  In other words, as long as this is acceptable and normal in their relationship, then there's no reason to judge his ethics and morality on the subject.  I would still be perturbed that he was AWOL, but that's a separate issue regardless of what/who he was doing at the time.

Chris

[Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas]

Again, I ask: Would folks be attacking him if his wife got on stage and said "It's between myself and my husband: none of your damn business!"?

Probably.
"Stop hiding behind her skirts and take it like a man."
And one should, IMO, be a touch suspicious when a would-be national leader is playing post office with foreign nationals. Just by default.

[Balog]

What Chris said. Of course, my opinion about open marraiges ain't all that great either, but I don't care unless he claims to be Christian at the same time.

[roo_ster]

Would y'all still feel the same way if the wife got up at the press conference, and told the world "This is between myself and my hisband, and no business of the rest of you"? Or would y'all still feel the need to declare possession of the moral highground?

Probably, as it is his constituents' business, especially considering:
1. He used taxpayer dollars on one of his trysts.
2. He has been incommunicado at least once for a 5 day stretch without handing power over to the (apparently knuckleheaded) Lt Gov.
3. He left himself open to blackmail and put the state gov't and taxpayers at risk.

IOW, he is a dumbazz, and such foolishness ought to be made an object lesson for the rest of the policritters.

If this was something that occurred before he was elected governor and he & his wife had patched it up, than you might have a point.  An elected official owes it to his constituents not to make them a laughingstock.

Also, the "open marriage" or "swingers" hypothetical is a whole 'nuther reason not to vote for the man and place him in authority.

[roo_ster]

I consider love/emotional affairs/etc to be as avoidable as shooting an elephant.

Damn straight.  The Hollywood scheme, "Two people thrown together against their wills and then form an emotional attachment," is bunk.  These things can be seen and avoided, if one so desires to avoid it.

Minor point of order: Sanford. Like 'Sanford and Son'. Not Sandford.

Ah, my favorite TV show theme.

[MicroBalrog]

The Hollywood scheme, "Two people thrown together against their wills and then form an emotional attachment," is bunk.  These things can be seen and avoided, if one so desires to avoid it.

I will inform Comrade Shakespeare immediately.

[Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas]

I will inform Comrade Shakespeare immediately.

He was the guy who had fairies. And turned one guy's head into that of a donkey.

[MicroBalrog]

He was the guy who had fairies. And turned one guy's head into that of a donkey.

So? Shakespeare's understanding of human nature can be understood and learned from, regardless of the obviously fantastic elements of his plays. (And wasn't Midsummer Night's Dream a comedy anyway?)

[Wildalaska]

Who cares what or who sandford does or is, let the folks in his state worry about it...its Palin-Pawlenty in 2012

[Gewehr98]

WA, where ya been?

Good to see ya! 

Sorry that you had to see an online pissing contest.

There have been plenty in the last several days, staff is working on a solution as I type this.  :|

[Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas]

So? Shakespeare's understanding of human nature can be understood and learned from, regardless of the obviously fantastic elements of his plays. (And wasn't Midsummer Night's Dream a comedy anyway?)

The problem here is in determining whether certain elements are fantastic or fact.

[roo_ster]

I will inform Comrade Shakespeare immediately.

Thank you for proving my point, since the Globe Theater was the equivalent of Hollywood in England at that time.  But, the elites had the good sense not to use it as a model for behavior.

Also, there is the Bard's penchant for altering history to fit his rulers' tastes...

WA, where ya been?

Good to see ya! 

Sorry that you had to see an online pissing contest.

There have been plenty in the last several days, staff is working on a solution as I type this.  :|

If it involves sex-positive ninjas wearing single glittering gloves targeting bit torrent users with bloody noses reading Atlas Shrugged, I want fair warning to clear outta Dodge.