The 2024 Circus

[Ben]

Both the courts and the elections are being visibly undermined and public confidence in them as institutions is falling.  What do these idiots think comes next?

If the idiots are upsetting you, whatever you do, don't peruse Reddit. Holy hell. The virtual, social media circle jerk is about 95% in giddy favor of this, and because of their echo chamber, they really think that everyone is. I despise Biden, but I can honestly say that I would be as outraged at this happening to him as I am with it happening to Trump (who I'm not crazy about).

It was interesting to see that every one of Trump's R rivals made strong statements condemning this. If what I saw is correct, 13 other states are looking to copy Colorado.

[WLJ]

It was interesting to see that every one of Trump's R rivals made strong statements condemning this. If what I saw is correct, 13 other states are looking to copy Colorado.

How many of those can you already count as Biden EC votes? 90%? 100%?
Things are going to get rather interesting if this is allowed to stand* and a good % of those other states follow suit and then Trump wins anyway

*Which I highly doubt

[Ben]

How many of those can you already count as Biden EC votes? 90%? 100%?

No doubt, yet the totalitarian implications are frightening.

[WLJ]

No doubt, yet the totalitarian implications are frightening.

Absolutely, didn't mean to imply otherwise.
My point was even if this allowed to stand it may make almost zero different in the final outcome of the election vote wise. Reaction wise no matter which way it goes is an entirely different bag of angry cats

[Ben]

Absolutely, didn't mean to imply otherwise.
My point was even if this allowed to stand it may make almost zero different in the final outcome of the election vote wise. Reaction wise no matter which way it goes is an entirely different bag of angry cats

Yup. If anything, it is once again giving Trump more support and more votes. The serious implications of what they're doing to the Republic aside, it's kind of comical that if they had just turned off the TDS after Biden got in, very likely, Trump wouldn't even be running now, let alone surging ahead of everyone, including Biden.

[WLJ]

My personal view is that this is going to backfire spectacularly on the dems.
Downside is that many on the left/dem side of things are now much more likely to go full on radical in the event of a Trump win.

Edit: corrected a misspell

[dogmush]

There isn't going to be a shooting war. People will puff out their chests, quote Fox News, and grumble on the Internets.

-Tsar Nicholas, Li Zongren, George III, Lon Nol, and Louis XVI, probably.

[WLJ]

Schiff is happy, shocker I know,

    The Colorado Supreme Court just ruled Donald Trump is disqualified from the ballot — and from holding office — under the 14th Amendment.

    Accountability for inciting an insurrection.

    It’s about time.
    — Adam Schiff (@RepAdamSchiff) December 20, 2023

https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/12/20/adam-schiff-n2390984

Be careful what you wish for

[cordex]

There isn't going to be a shooting war. People will puff out their chests, quote Fox News, and grumble on the Internets.

I certainly hope you're right, because the results of a shooting war would be horrific for everyone involved.

Interesting (but in no way surprising) that you can only entertain the idea that it would start on the right, though.

[dogmush]

I think we're pretty surely headed into violence, and probably in less than 5 or 6 years.  I just don't see anyone that could trying to take an offramp.

It doesn't necessarily have to be a "Civil War", but something like the summer of 2020 ramped up 3 or 4 times with some groups branching out into political violence like knock-off Nights of medium length knives.  Throw in a government that is regionally going off the rails arresting and jailing people and you just get very dangerous, long term civil unrest with political violence overtones.  And a distinct breakdown of law and order in most cities.

[cordex]

I think we're pretty surely headed into violence, and probably in less than 5 or 6 years.  I just don't see anyone that could trying to take an offramp.

It doesn't necessarily have to be a "Civil War", but something like the summer of 2020 ramped up 3 or 4 times with some groups branching out into political violence like knock-off Nights of medium length knives.  Throw in a government that is regionally going off the rails arresting and jailing people and you just get very dangerous, long term civil unrest with political violence overtones.  And a distinct breakdown of law and order in most cities.

That is depressingly plausible.

[Northwoods]

I certainly hope you're right, because the results of a shooting war would be horrific for everyone involved.

Interesting (but in no way surprising) that you can only entertain the idea that it would start on the right, though.

Yeah, if Trump wins the left will be the ones to kick it off.  If Trump loses, the left is likely to go after Trump voters, not just his donors, lawyers, etc.  While they may or may not initiate violence directly they will, deliberately, make the situation such that at least some on the right see no alternative to violence.

[WLJ]

I think we're pretty surely headed into violence, and probably in less than 5 or 6 years.  I just don't see anyone that could trying to take an offramp.

It doesn't necessarily have to be a "Civil War", but something like the summer of 2020 ramped up 3 or 4 times with some groups branching out into political violence like knock-off Nights of medium length knives.  Throw in a government that is regionally going off the rails arresting and jailing people and you just get very dangerous, long term civil unrest with political violence overtones.  And a distinct breakdown of law and order in most cities.

I fear right around the corner as in 2024 if things don't go a certain way as in if Trump wins or even sooner if it appears he will likely win.
Could even come from the right in response to the left and/or if votes for the D start appearing out of thin air at 3am again. The left could even do this openly in the hopes it will trigger the right hoping this allows them to start the govt crackdown they've been wet dreaming about.

[WLJ]

Enter Joe Biden

Biden says there's 'no question' Trump engaged in an insurrection in his first response to Colorado disqualification as Republicans threaten to take Joe off their state ballots as revenge
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12886597/Biden-says-theres-no-question-Trump-engaged-insurrection-response-Colorado-disqualification-Republicans-threaten-Joe-state-ballots-revenge.html

Could Trump sue him for libel?

[Northwoods]

Enter Joe Biden

Biden says there's 'no question' Trump engaged in an insurrection in his first response to Colorado disqualification as Republicans threaten to take Joe off their state ballots as revenge
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12886597/Biden-says-theres-no-question-Trump-engaged-insurrection-response-Colorado-disqualification-Republicans-threaten-Joe-state-ballots-revenge.html

Could Trump sue him for libel?

 

The "actual malice" part is a very hard thing to prove, and would apply since both are obviously "public figures".  Unless there's a recording or email or similar showing even Biden knew "insurrection" was bovine scat, he can just say "it was what we honestly believed at the time".

[Angel Eyes]

Colorado GOP says they'll switch to a caucus if Trump's disqualification stands:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/colorado-republican-party-to-change-to-caucus-system-ditch-primary-if-trump-kept-off-ballot-5550307

(this thread is aptly named)

[WLJ]

Here's Ted Lieu

The Colorado trial court HELD A TRIAL and made rock solid findings of fact that Trump “engaged in insurrection.” SCOTUS would not have any basis to overrule the findings.

The only way SCOTUS can overturn is to make the perverse ruling that Presidents can engage in insurrection. https://t.co/6ehpE7CWxp
— Ted Lieu (@tedlieu) December 20, 2023

https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/12/20/rep-ted-lieu-claims-co-supreme-court-held-a-trial-and-convicted-trump-so-scotus-wont-overturn-n2390999

Anyone here remember a trial where Trump was convicted of engaging in insurrection? Yeah me neither
Yeah, he's an idiot

[WLJ]

    California Lt. Gov. @EleniForCA writes to Secretary of State Shirley Weber to “explore every legal option to remove former President Donald Trump from California’s 2024 presidential primary ballot.”

    Letter here: pic.twitter.com/HoGZdjLmNy
    — Christopher Cadelago (@ccadelago) December 20, 2023

https://twitchy.com/coucy/2023/12/20/california-lt-governor-n2390995

[Ron]

Nobody was charged with insurrection or treason let alone found guilty.

This country is obviously mostly populated with liars and morons.

[charby]

I certainly hope you're right, because the results of a shooting war would be horrific for everyone involved.

Interesting (but in no way surprising) that you can only entertain the idea that it would start on the right, though.

I don't see Biden being kicked off a primary ticket, so why would the left get upset? Maybe if Trump wins and enough of them beat the stolen election drum like the Trump people did in 2020?

There are some Trump supporters that truly think if he isn't elected that their lives are over because the Liberals are going to take everything. I have to listen to every time I go to into my office, one of my coworkers seriously thinks the day after Biden is re-elected that government men with firearms are going to kick down her door and take her house and small farm from her family the next day. Everyone is going to get their property confiscated. She is dead serious. Remember I work as a public employee on the government dime, and so do they.

I despise Trump with all of my very existence, and I hope he gets his ass handed to him in all the primaries and caucuses.

I do think the Colorado Courts *expletive deleted*ed the pooch hard on this one.

[cordex]

… why would the left get upset?

Is that a trick question?

[charby]

Is that a trick question?

Upset Biden is not being booted off ballots is what I said. Don't read any further into than that.

[Perd Hapley]

I don't see Biden being kicked off a primary ticket, so why would the left get upset? Maybe if Trump wins and enough of them beat the stolen election drum like the Trump people did in 2020?

There are some Trump supporters that truly think if he isn't elected that their lives are over because the Liberals are going to take everything. I have to listen to every time I go to into my office, one of my coworkers seriously thinks the day after Biden is re-elected that government men with firearms are going to kick down her door and take her house and small farm from her family the next day. Everyone is going to get their property confiscated. She is dead serious. Remember I work as a public employee on the government dime, and so do they.

I despise Trump with all of my very existence, and I hope he gets his ass handed to him in all the primaries and caucuses.

I do think the Colorado Courts *expletive deleted*ed the pooch hard on this one.

Left-wing leadership is already taking things away, but gradually, so people like you accept it. (Through inflation, regulation, etc.) Your coworkers may not be quite correct, but it sounds like they see very real possibilities you refuse to.

I sympathize. I don't want to see them either.

[charby]

Left-wing leadership is already taking things away, but gradually, so people like you accept it. (Through inflation, regulation, etc.) Your coworkers may not be quite correct, but it sounds like they see very real possibilities you refuse to.

I sympathize. I don't want to see them either.

Biggest thing that has taken things away from me was the Patriot Act of 2001. Mostly voted for by right-wing. So, I'm going to disagree.

We're all going to be getting *expletive deleted*ed by Trumps Tax Law in the next couple of years, yep voted for by right-wing leadership again.

Three biggest deficit recent spending administrations. GW Bush, BH Obama, and DJ Trump. 2/3 are right wing. That is the cause of the inflation, devalue the currency in excessive spending.

No one is coming to take your house, no one is coming to shut down your church, no one is taking away your freedom of speech, well I guess the GOP did with the Patriot Act.

[HankB]

The actions of the Colorado Supreme Court remind me of the Iranian mullahs who only let the candidates they approve of appear on the ballot in their so-called "elections."

OK, let's say Trump is taken off the ballot in Colorado and a couple of other states.

What happens - that is, what do the lefties do - when the House refuses to certify the vote counts from those states?