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Re: Looks like Gov. Palin is resigning... speculate below
« Reply #175 on: July 08, 2009, 10:03:26 PM »
Why didnt I get a Fistful name?  Is "Fistful Bach" already taken?
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« Reply #176 on: July 08, 2009, 11:13:11 PM »
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Wasn't that the purpose of the glasses/hairdo? And FWIW, I've never understood the "OMG HOTTTT" reception of Palin. It just seemed ridiculously over-the-top. She was decent-looking for her age, sure. Nothing spectacular.

After looking at Hillary, Michelle Obama, Madeline Albright, Dianne Feinstein, Carolyn McCarthy, Nancy Pelosi, and the other Washington madams, Palin was like a Playboy centerfold.

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Re: Looks like Gov. Palin is resigning... speculate below
« Reply #177 on: July 09, 2009, 12:53:20 AM »
In comparison, Joe Biden might as well have been Ronald Reagan.  Those early interviews with Palin were more like something you'd expect from a high school student union rep.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/07/08/sarah-barracuda-palin-and-the-piranhas-of-the-press/

"The good senator from Delaware warmed up slowly, erroneously claiming that McCain voted with Obama on a budget resolution, and asserting wrongly that Obama wanted to return to the Reagan-era marginal income tax rates. He also embarked on an appallingly wrongheaded monologue about the constitutional history of the vice presidency. But when the talk turned to national security, presumably Biden's purported area of expertise, he went completely off the grid.
• "John McCain voted against a Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty that every Republican has supported," Biden stated. (Actually, in a 1999 vote in Congress, McCain sided with 50 other Republicans to kill the treaty. Only four joined the Democrats.)
• "Pakistan already has deployed nuclear weapons," Biden said. "Pakistan's weapons can already hit Israel and the Mediterranean." (Pakistan has no known intercontinental missiles. The range of its weapons is thought to be 1,000 miles – halfway to Israel.)
• "When we kicked--along with France--we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, 'Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don't...Hezbollah will control it.'" Biden recalled. "Now what's happened? Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government in the country immediately to the north of Israel." (Except that the U.S. never kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon or anywhere else. They've been entrenched in Lebanon since 1982. Actually, Hezbollah, insofar as it was responsible for the 1983 suicide bombing at the Marine barracks that killed 241 U.S. servicemen, kicked America out of Lebanon, not the other way around.)
• "The president...insisted on elections on the West Bank, when I said, and others said, and Barack Obama said, 'Big mistake. Hamas will win. You'll legitimize them.' What happened? Hamas won," Biden said. (Only the last two words of Biden's strange soliloquy are true. The rest are false. For one thing, Fatah controls the West Bank. Biden was thinking of Gaza. Secondly, neither Biden nor Obama predicted the 2006 victory for Hamas in Gaza's legislative elections. Third, McCain and Obama – but not Biden -- signed a letter urging the president to pressure Palestinians to require that candidates adhere to democratic principles before being allowed to run for office. Fourth, Biden served as an election observer and later wrote an article expressing high praise for Bush's actions. To sum up: One factual error and three fibs in only 31 words. Pretty impressive, in its way.)
• "With Afghanistan, facts matter...we spend more money in three weeks on combat in Iraq than we spend on the entirety of the last seven years that we have been in Afghanistan. Let me say that again..." (He did say it again, but that didn't make it true. It's wildly and weirdly off the mark. Yes, facts matter. The facts here were that at the time Biden was speaking, the U.S. had spent $172 billion in Afghanistan. The Iraq War consumes between $7 billion and $8 billion every three weeks. Biden's math was off by 2,000 percent.)
• "Can I clarify this? This is simply not true about Barack Obama. He did not say (he'd) sit down with Ahmadinejad." (He most certainly did. And among those who criticized him at the time for it was Joe Biden, who told Byron York of National Review that the idea of a president meeting with the likes of the Iranian president or Hugo Chavez was "naïve.")
Those were alarming mistakes. To me Biden's most discordant claims concerned his Animal House-like history lecture about the office of the vice president. It came while Biden was dressing down Dick Cheney, who was not present, for supposedly being unfamiliar with the Constitution. "The idea (that) he doesn't realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States – that's the executive branch – he works in the executive branch," Biden said. "He should understand that. Everyone should understand that. And the primary role of the vice president of the United States is to support the president of the United States of America, give that president his or her best judgment when sought, and, as vice president, to preside over the Senate, only in a time when in fact there's a tie vote. The Constitution is explicit....He has no authority relative to the Congress. The idea he's part of the legislative branch is a bizarre notion invented by Cheney to aggrandize the power of a unitary executive, and look where it has gotten us."

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Re: Looks like Gov. Palin is resigning... speculate below
« Reply #178 on: July 09, 2009, 01:13:11 AM »
melllyn, just a bit of fair warning: don't confuse Shootinstudent with the truth. ;)

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Re: Looks like Gov. Palin is resigning... speculate below
« Reply #179 on: July 09, 2009, 04:28:43 AM »
Who said Joe Biden was a great interviewee? Of course he screws up - all the time.  But even then he still makes Palin look like a high school student union rep.

Palin's interviews were so bad that Saturday night live was running them as the script for its routines - unedited.  I saw said skits and had no idea at the time that they were genuine; I thought the comedians had written them to lampoon Palin.

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Re: Looks like Gov. Palin is resigning... speculate below
« Reply #180 on: July 09, 2009, 07:20:55 AM »
Who said Joe Biden was a great interviewee? Of course he screws up - all the time.  But even then he still makes Palin look like a high school student union rep.

Palin's interviews were so bad that Saturday night live was running them as the script for its routines - unedited.  I saw said skits and had no idea at the time that they were genuine; I thought the comedians had written them to lampoon Palin.




And often when he's lying, he sounds like he's telling the truth.  Biden, that is.   :laugh:
Palin often sounds like she's dazed and confused.  Sound bites count in this country.
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Re: Looks like Gov. Palin is resigning... speculate below
« Reply #181 on: July 09, 2009, 09:23:34 AM »
The funny thing about Biden is that it's when he's screwing up that you sometimes hear the truth, as with his admission the other day that they had no idea the economy was as bad as it was.

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« Reply #182 on: July 09, 2009, 09:25:19 AM »
If they actually aired Biden and Obama's screw ups it'd be less of an issue. But demanding perpetual perfection from your candidate (lest their sound bites be spread far and wide) while the opposition gets a complete free pass is not realistic.
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« Reply #183 on: July 09, 2009, 12:37:24 PM »
Who says Palin is the antidote to Obama-Biden?  Many of us agree with much of what she believes in, but that doesn't make her by any means ideal for the task ahead.  Her rousing acceptance by the Right has been largely because she is a refreshing reminder of basic values in a time when we have come to accept the near universality of misinformation and outright disinformation by the politically powerful class.  But we will need more than just a simple recitation of basic values to stop the insanity and get America back on track. It is clear that any candidate "on the Right" will become a target of merciless leftist forces.  If we are smart we will begin to adopt tactics better suited to the realities of the situation and stop telling ourselves we are "above all that."

As for Palin's interviews, it might help to see the stuff that was cut.  Again, check out Ziegler's Media Malpractice for a deeper view of how Couric et al. played fast and loose with the truth.
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« Reply #184 on: July 09, 2009, 12:44:24 PM »
Longeyes is right in that Palin is not the be all end all of the conservative movement. A damn sight better than our current R party leaders tho.
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Re: Looks like Gov. Palin is resigning... speculate below
« Reply #185 on: July 09, 2009, 12:46:47 PM »
There are no ideal candidates. Frankly, I'd prefer an uncharismatic, or even downright stupid candidate who can figure out the issues and agrees with me philosophically to one that doesn't. I realize that he/she/it will be working with advisors anyway.
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« Reply #186 on: July 09, 2009, 01:09:52 PM »
There are no ideal candidates. Frankly, I'd prefer an uncharismatic, or even downright stupid candidate who can figure out the issues and agrees with me philosophically to one that doesn't. I realize that he/she/it will be working with advisors anyway.

I'd be happy to vote for and elect a presidential candidate who was paraplegic and had no hands at all.

At least none of these asinine bills coming from Congress would be signed into law then.

I guess Palin would fit that ideal if we whacked her hands off at the wrists.

Aside from that grotesque and unrealistic scenario, I can't think of a decent person today fit to hold the office of President.
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Re: Looks like Gov. Palin is resigning... speculate below
« Reply #187 on: July 09, 2009, 01:33:51 PM »
Perhaps what we need is a moratorium on all legislative flapdoodle, along with the rescission of much of the legislation of the last some years.  Instead of a nuclear build-down we need a legislative build-down.  As for the executive we need someone who can handle the existential military threats facing this country.  Internally, we need less government and more self-control.  This country's getting more and more top-heavy; beware of strong winds.
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« Reply #188 on: July 09, 2009, 01:41:13 PM »
Our minds are being clouded by omnipresent "entertainment."

As I said elsewhere, this is not a Godzilla movie, with EveryWoman confronting some 100-foot scaly fire-snorter.  This isn't mythology.  It's politics.  Practical stuff.   Just as the Left has infused Obama with mythic dimensions, we are trying to infuse Palin with mythic dimensions.   

There are real problems out there, both here and abroad, and it doesn't take the proverbial rocket science to figure out what a strong foreign policy built around core American virtues would look like any more than it does to figure out what the building blocks of a strong economy are.  All of this is familiar territory, but for some reason we are throwing away our common sense and knowledge of history and belief in ourselves.  That "some reason" is a deliberate, concerted, and massive attack on everything that has made America great by people in the "idea class"--academia, media, entertainment--over forty years.  We can start there.
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Re: Looks like Gov. Palin is resigning... speculate below
« Reply #189 on: July 09, 2009, 03:12:05 PM »
Perhaps what we need is a moratorium on all legislative flapdoodle, along with the rescission of much of the legislation of the last some years.  Instead of a nuclear build-down we need a legislative build-down.  As for the executive we need someone who can handle the existential military threats facing this country.  Internally, we need less government and more self-control.  This country's getting more and more top-heavy; beware of strong winds.

All you have to do is get one legislator to piggy back it into some really good sounding legislation:  You know they don't read anything they pass, anyway!
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Re: Looks like Gov. Palin is resigning... speculate below
« Reply #190 on: July 09, 2009, 03:55:34 PM »
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Aside from that grotesque and unrealistic scenario, I can't think of a decent person today fit to hold the office of President.

I can name ten, off-hand. Here: You, JamisJockey, Mike Irwin, longeyes, Gewehr98, shootinstudent, Balog, Manedwolf, LadySmith, AJDual.

Any decent person with the correct views would do, if he were backed by a dedicated political movement ready to support him through the struggle.

And let's face it:

If such a person were to be elected, he would have to face a struggle of abjectly mythical proportions. I disagree with longeyes here - the evil we face has been polluting Western Civilization with its presence since at least the 1930's. It's been known as Progressivism, Statism, Socialism, whichever you may call it. We cannot face it through the lens of politics as usual. We need to see ourselves as the heroes of old - as the Civil Rights marchers perharps, or perhaps as the abolitionists.

The struggle of 'fringe' men like Wayne Fincher or Steve Kubby needs to be backed - morally, politically, financially - by major political bodies. We must assert the moral differences between liberty and the state, and we must assert this publicly and loudly, by repudiating the statist platform on each and every front.

To borrow the Star Wars metaphor, we are now at the edge of the Sarlacc pit.

Which only means that Jabba is really, really screwed.
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Re: Looks like Gov. Palin is resigning... speculate below
« Reply #191 on: July 09, 2009, 03:59:54 PM »
I myself couldn't do it. 
There are politicians out there who could do it, and do a great job of restoring liberty and freedom to our country.  Ron Paul for one.
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« Reply #192 on: July 09, 2009, 04:03:15 PM »
I myself couldn't do it. 
There are politicians out there who could do it, and do a great job of restoring liberty and freedom to our country.  Ron Paul for one.


There is no Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is a lie concocted by the vast wookie-suited conspiracy.
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« Reply #193 on: July 09, 2009, 04:15:00 PM »
I don't think any of us could be effective politicians.  We don't have the skill set necessary to succeed in modern politics (well, maybe SS could, he's good at twisting words).  It seems that Palin didn't have enough of the skill set, either.  She was too trusting, honest, and direct.

Now, if there was nothing more to the job than administering the government then we might do reasonably well.

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« Reply #194 on: July 09, 2009, 04:21:16 PM »
I'd make a good Emperator. First order of business: constructing the Golden Throne of Terra and having a little chat with my boy Horus...
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« Reply #195 on: July 09, 2009, 04:27:44 PM »
I'd make a good Emperator. First order of business: constructing the Golden Throne of Terra and having a little chat with my boy Horus...


You... do realize the Golden Throne is a life-support device?
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« Reply #196 on: July 09, 2009, 04:28:47 PM »

You... do realize the Golden Throne is a life-support device?

In case the chat with Horus didn't go so well. :P

And technically it's a stasis field, not really life support.
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« Reply #197 on: July 09, 2009, 04:32:05 PM »
Yeah, I'd rather be emperor, not president.   
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« Reply #198 on: July 09, 2009, 04:51:54 PM »
I'd be a kick-ass "Benevolent Despot" in the Socratic fashion.

Anyone want to kneel before my magnanimous presence?  :angel:
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« Reply #199 on: July 09, 2009, 05:25:22 PM »
I myself couldn't do it. 
There are politicians out there who could do it, and do a great job of restoring liberty and freedom to our country.  Ron Paul for one.

Then I wish he'd get started. 
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