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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #150 on: February 24, 2014, 05:09:13 PM »
yes, I imagine the fashion statement would be somewhat different if a half dozen gun trucks showed up and started raking the crowds with MG fire.....
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #151 on: February 24, 2014, 05:24:53 PM »
Tour of the former president's residence:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/slideshow/Former-Ukrainian-president-s-residence-80606.php

The usual ostentatious displays of wealth, although the galleon is something you don't see every day.

I would have expected a more impressive car collection.
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #152 on: February 24, 2014, 06:41:13 PM »
I'm still disturbed by the crucified hawks. That's past "opulent dictator" into "disturbingly crazy guy" territory.
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #153 on: February 24, 2014, 08:23:05 PM »
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I'm still disturbed by the crucified hawks. That's past "opulent dictator" into "disturbingly crazy guy" territory.

 Say what?   I don't understand?
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #154 on: February 24, 2014, 09:53:46 PM »
Quote from: tokugawa on February 24, 2014, 08:23:05 PM
Say what?   I don't understand?

Yanukovich had a private game reserve. They found several large birds of prey literally nailed to crosses there. Or, I should say, that is what some photos I've seen seem to show.
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #155 on: February 24, 2014, 10:21:00 PM »
Quote from: Balog on February 24, 2014, 09:53:46 PM
Yanukovich had a private game reserve. They found several large birds of prey literally nailed to crosses there. Or, I should say, that is what some photos I've seen seem to show.


Perhaps a way of displaying a trophy's wingspan?
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #156 on: February 25, 2014, 01:25:08 AM »
Quote from: fistful on February 24, 2014, 10:21:00 PM

Perhaps a way of displaying a trophy's wingspan?

They looked fresh, I'm guessing they were kept as hunting birds and he had their keepers kill them to keep them out of the hands of the maidan.
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #157 on: February 25, 2014, 12:36:35 PM »
Here's the picture, but I still have no idea who did this or why. I've seen a suggestion that the maidan killed them this way because they're eagles and symbolized the berkut. But given how remarkably calm and organized the people going into the palace were I don't know how credible that is. All speculation at this point.

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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #158 on: February 25, 2014, 12:47:21 PM »
Perhaps they were his hunting birds?

Anyway whoever did it is somewhat twisted.
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #159 on: February 25, 2014, 01:27:25 PM »
Quote from: scout26 on February 25, 2014, 12:47:21 PM
Perhaps they were his hunting birds?

Anyway whoever did it is somewhat twisted.

 um...yes. maybe more than somewhat.
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #160 on: February 25, 2014, 01:44:39 PM »
Quote from: scout26 on February 25, 2014, 12:47:21 PM
Perhaps they were his hunting birds?

Anyway whoever did it is somewhat twisted.

Yeah, it's a weird deal. I just have a hard time equating the smiling, laughing, non-destroying or looting people I see in all the other pictures of them taking over Yanuk's house with someone making a statement through animal crucifixion. Seems more in character for the nihilistic oligarch fleeing his hated opponents.
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #161 on: February 27, 2014, 10:46:07 AM »
As Tam put it, now that the civilized nation look alike contest is over, the former KGB Lt Col is going to fix the problem.

http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-pro-russia-gunmen-seize-offices-crimea-104534374.html
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« Reply #162 on: February 27, 2014, 10:54:12 AM »
Now the gloves come off and we see what the Ukraine can put up. Likely to get nasty fast.  The Russian's have a pretty good track record.

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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #163 on: February 27, 2014, 11:00:53 AM »
The Russian Army is no where near the size of the former Red Army.  And it might be only incrementally better and professional.  I don't think Putin has the forces available to the seize the Ukraine ala Czechoslovakia '68 or Hungary '56.

Ukrainians were pretty good Guerilla fighters IIRC, and I'm guessing there still a lot of Cossack blood there also.
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #164 on: February 27, 2014, 11:12:59 AM »
Quote from: scout26 on February 27, 2014, 11:00:53 AM
The Russian Army is no where near the size of the former Red Army.  And it might be only incrementally better and professional.  I don't think Putin has the forces available to the seize the Ukraine ala Czechoslovakia '68 or Hungary '56.

Ukrainians were pretty good Guerilla fighters IIRC, and I'm guessing there still a lot of Cossack blood there also.

All true, but something tells me the Russians will bring a less civil attitude to the party than the internal Ukrainian forces did.
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« Reply #165 on: February 27, 2014, 11:16:10 AM »
Shoot look how they treated the  hostages in the theatre attack

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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #166 on: February 27, 2014, 01:51:36 PM »
This is a lesson. Never give up your nukes!
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« Reply #167 on: February 27, 2014, 02:03:43 PM »
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Shoot look how they treated the  hostages in the theatre attack

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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #168 on: February 27, 2014, 06:34:00 PM »
Terrorists: Dead

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« Reply #169 on: February 27, 2014, 06:35:32 PM »
There was a special on about it the other night. They screwed up the hodtage end by the numbers

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« Reply #170 on: February 27, 2014, 11:15:35 PM »
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There was a special on about it the other night. They screwed up the hodtage end by the numbers

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Only if you accept that they gave a damn about the hostages.  If you think the mission was to show that taking hostages in Russia will get you killed, quickly and without any concessions, then it went fine.  How many large hostage situations have there been in Russia since that one?
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #171 on: February 28, 2014, 12:11:27 AM »
Have no worries Obama warned Putin not meddle in Ukraine.  :rofl:
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« Reply #172 on: February 28, 2014, 10:19:57 AM »
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #173 on: March 17, 2014, 02:15:26 AM »
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #174 on: March 17, 2014, 03:02:33 AM »
My biggest worry now is that Obama will realize how mom jeans he looks and try to do something to show how tough he is.
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