Biker gang shootout in Waco

[Fitz]

There seems to be a strong possibility that the meeting was a front for the various criminal gangs to hash out territorial disputes and recruitment practices.

I'm hearing it was a CoC meeting. Most of what they discuss at those has nothing to do territory or crime.

last one i attended, aside from the fight, was to discuss upcoming motorcycle legislation.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Should get interesting as they trace the ditched weapons to their owners. Contact DNA is as bad as Rico .
If I read right the Cossacks were crashes to the party.
I suspect we are gonna separate the real bikers from the pretenders pretty quick. It's one thing to talk about brotherhood and "the code" while watching soa and another entirely when you are looking at a real charge. Not to mention losing your bike. And a huge bond. A lotta folks might be reluctant to testify even still. It's no joke messing with 1%ers. I can't say with certainty that I would not go temporarily blind if I had been there. But the cops are counting on with that many folks someone will start talking, and once you get one the floodgates will typically open. It's proven true even with real 1%ers.


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[cassandra and sara's daddy]

8 of 9 dead are Cossacks . 1 bandido.
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Waco-Shooting-Near-Twin-Peaks-In-Waco-304043711.html?device=tablet&c=y


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[Angel Eyes]

8 of 9 dead are Cossacks . 1 bandido.
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Waco-Shooting-Near-Twin-Peaks-In-Waco-304043711.html?device=tablet&c=y

Meanwhile Wednesday, Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton said investigators recovered about 300 weapons from the shooting scene including everything from pocket knives to assault-style knives to guns to chains to brass knuckles, to an AK-47 and body armor.

What is an "assault style knife"?

Is body armor now considered a weapon?

[wmenorr67]

Should get interesting as they trace the ditched weapons to their owners. Contact DNA is as bad as Rico .
If I read right the Cossacks were crashes to the party.
I suspect we are gonna separate the real bikers from the pretenders pretty quick. It's one thing to talk about brotherhood and "the code" while watching soa and another entirely when you are looking at a real charge. Not to mention losing your bike. And a huge bond. A lotta folks might be reluctant to testify even still. It's no joke messing with 1%ers. I can't say with certainty that I would not go temporarily blind if I had been there. But the cops are counting on with that many folks someone will start talking, and once you get one the floodgates will typically open. It's proven true even with real 1%ers.


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Issue being how many of the 170 arrested are 1%er's.  I would bet that at least 25% of them are not a member of a 1% club.  The Leathernecks for example are a Marine veteran based club.  They are not a 1% club.

[KD5NRH]

What is an "assault style knife"?

It's got a blade thing that goes up.

[wmenorr67]

Also most of the killed were with head and/or torso shots.  Curious to see if it was the snipers.

[Firethorn]

Should get interesting as they trace the ditched weapons to their owners. Contact DNA is as bad as Rico .

Personally, if I was trying to dump a weapon in that, I'd probably chose a tub of soapy water first.  Clears DNA good, then whatever's remaining would also have what was on the food/plates before it on it to muddy things up.

But it's sounding like they're recovering more 'weapons' than there were bikers.  I wonder if any bikers were 'smart' enough to dump their colors?  I put weapons in quotes because it sounds like they're even counting legal folding knives.

Also most of the killed were with head and/or torso shots.  Curious to see if it was the snipers.

Headshots maybe, but torso shots could be pretty much anybody, especially with rifles.

Issue being how many of the 170 arrested are 1%er's.  I would bet that at least 25% of them are not a member of a 1% club.  The Leathernecks for example are a Marine veteran based club.  They are not a 1% club.

Makes me glad they're separating them by club.  Of course, given that my jacket as a big fat zero patches on it, they probably wouldn't have arrested me to start with.

[Angel Eyes]

I wonder if any bikers were 'smart' enough to dump their colors? 

Personally, I doubt it, especially the 1%ers.  Their colors are pretty much their reason for living.

Makes me glad they're separating them by club.  Of course, given that my jacket as a big fat zero patches on it, they probably wouldn't have arrested me to start with.

I wouldn't be too sure of that either.  If you were a biker in that bar, you probably would have gotten swept up with the rest of them while the police sort things out later.

[brimic]

Also most of the killed were with head and/or torso shots.  Curious to see if it was the snipers.

No women or children were shot, so we can assume Lon Horiuchi wasn't involved at least.

[Firethorn]

I wouldn't be too sure of that either.  If you were a biker in that bar, you probably would have gotten swept up with the rest of them while the police sort things out later.

Other than my tendency to vacate quickly with that many gang members in the area, you're probably right.  Hell, I ride a yamaha v-star, not one of the 'usual' gang member brands.  

It'd probably get pretty boring pretty quickly for me - they wouldn't dare put me with anybody else.  No tattoos to show allegiance, no patches.  Retired USAF ID card.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Issue being how many of the 170 arrested are 1%er's.  I would bet that at least 25% of them are not a member of a 1% club.  The Leathernecks for example are a Marine veteran based club.  They are not a 1% club.

If one chooses to associate with a type of folk and chooses to wear their uniform it's quite likely other folks will make that association as well. That applies to a patch as much as it applies to baggy pants hanging low


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[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Also most of the killed were with head and/or torso shots.  Curious to see if it was the snipers.

That was my thought as well one source is saying 4 were police kills


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[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Dumping your colors would be an offense in a mc

And soap and water is no panacea with DNA
http://www.leelofland.com/wordpress/things-writers-should-know-about-dna/


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[Firethorn]

Dumping your colors would be an offense in a mc

Would they prefer that or me in jail with a $1M bond and the possibility/probability of prison?

[dogmush]

Would they prefer that or me in jail with a $1M bond and the possibility/probability of prison?

You in jail. Hands down. You don't know any MC members IRL, do you?

[brimic]

Hell, I ride a yamaha v-star, not one of the 'usual' gang member brands. 

The upside is that you wouldn't be out an enormous amount of money when they RICO your bike.   

[Boomhauer]

Would they prefer that or me in jail with a $1M bond and the possibility/probability of prison?

Obviously you are not familiar with 1%ers. Their colors very are sacred to them.

When a 1%er is involved in an accident some of his fellow members will often show up at the hospital to collect his colors for safe keeping.

The thing that sets 1%ers apart from most other criminal groups is the structure and organization of those groups.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

You in jail. Hands down. You don't know any MC members IRL, do you?

Truth
http://sabotagetimes.com/life/hells-angels-outlaws-and-the-politics-of-the-patch

They would let you hump their wife before giving up patch

[dogmush]

Truth
http://sabotagetimes.com/life/hells-angels-outlaws-and-the-politics-of-the-patch

They would let you hump their wife before giving up patch

Not that that would be a great prize..........

[HankB]

Local newspaper had a story suggesting a large number of the bikers were NOT involved in the fight, which was almost entirely in the parking lot.

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/state-regional/waco-restaurant-video-shows-bikers-others-seeking-/nmLCy/

If the bikers who were INSIDE the restaurant can be ID'd from the security footage and they STAYED inside, I suspect the police and DA are going to have a problem making any serious charges related to the dead/wounded bikers stick against them.

Hmmm . . . when mass arrests occur, and many of those arrested later have charges dropped . . . will there be false arrest lawsuits forthcoming?

[lupinus]

Would they prefer that or me in jail with a $1M bond and the possibility/probability of prison?

You in jail in a heartbeat. Jail isn't much of a deterrent to these type of folk.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Assuming one gun per at least 100 folks ditched their guns.  That woukd seem to indicate that they were afraid to be caught with them. I suspect they are counting guns found in cars and wonder how many there were like that

[TommyGunn]

What is an "assault style knife"? .......   

The kind with a   pointy end??

[Stand_watie]

Assuming one gun per at least 100 folks ditched their guns.  That woukd seem to indicate that they were afraid to be caught with them. I suspect they are counting guns found in cars and wonder how many there were like that

They have 100 guns seized? I haven't seen that yet. Granted you could find 100 guns by stopping 82 vehicles on 35, but I've yet to see a news report that 100 guns have been been collected. I've seen news reports that 100 "weapons" were found, and then number reduced to "50", and then news reports that "1,000 weapons" (about the amount that I'd expect to be in any large resturaunt at an Amish meeting), then reduced to "500", then "100" again, then "50".