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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Jamisjockey on May 17, 2015, 06:35:06 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/multiple-injuries-reported-texas-biker-gang-shooting-204703808.html
Holy smokes :O
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http://news.yahoo.com/multiple-injuries-reported-texas-biker-gang-shooting-204703808.html
Holy smokes :O
I see the cossacks around here frequently.
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Wow......what mess!! Glad I was in Alabama when it happened!
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I'd sure like to know what gangs were involved and how many gang members vs. everybody else were killed and injured.
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I'd sure like to know what gangs were involved and how many gang members vs. everybody else were killed and injured.
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/police/update-p-m-officials-say-more-biker-gang-members-headed/article_37addf70-e4e5-505a-98b4-ecbef08a2a87.html
I take everything in the news with a giant shaker of salt, but that article is quoting bandidos and cossacks. It would be really ironic if all/most of the shootings wind up to have been done by law enforcement
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The banditos are the real deal.
No innocents according to that last link.
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Please don't et any of them be CCL holders.
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The nine killed were all members of biker gangs, he said, as were the 18 people who were taken to hospitals with injuries that include stab and gunshot wounds. Some victims are being treated for both, he said.
The yahoo article says all the dead and injured were gang members. Hopefully, that doesn't change.
I am curious about the comments on the Twin Peaks Restaurant management not cooperating with police before the incident. Wonder if the manager or owner belongs to one of the groups.
I wonder how many different gang members will be charged over this. I have to think the cops around there are looking for any excuse to stop and detain/search any gang member they see. The article said the FBI and BATFE are involved also.
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The cop doing the talking on the evening news was trying to make it the restaurant owners fault - (paraphrasing) "We asked them to not let the event happen and they didn't listen to us, now look what happened".
I'm siding with the owners at this time. There are many reasons they might have wanted to have the event, some of them good, some not. Either way, it ain't the cops place to tell the owners what kind of event they can have or not. Cops knew about it in advance, had officers there waiting, just in case. That's OK by me. But to try to stop it just because there might be trouble, nope.
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Bikers spend cash. And there is currently soa syndrome. Folks see it as a cool thrill to be near the 1 percenter's.
And the thrill seekers spend too.
Things can go bad real fast real bad
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even though I liked the sons of anarchy TV show it helped me realize that ... indeed... outlaw bikers are pimps/murderers -
there are a lot of wannabeees and real ones in Reno where I live and I now make it a point to stay away and when I meet people that might admire biker gangs I ask them point plank - "what kind of person would remain silent if they knew a guy had raped/murdered?" a biker gang member even if not guilty of doing that is sworn to protect at least with silence - fellow club members who have.
No decent person could do that.
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The story I read was that it was a meeting that included several clubs that is meant to keep this *expletive deleted*it from happening. Here in Oklahoma there is the same deal. Once a quarter I believe all the clubs meet to go over issues that may have come up.
Curious as to what the fall out of this might be on a larger scale. From the three main groups involved the Bandidos is the only one here in Oklahoma and they don't run the state.
http://txcocinews.org/
Link to the Texas site.
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http://gunfreezone.net/wordpress/index.php/2015/05/18/because-nothing-says-yall-behave-now-better/
stay safe.
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This is why I don't like going to CoC meetings.
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This is why I don't like going to CoC meetings.
What is CoC?
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The story I read was that it was a meeting that included several clubs that is meant to keep this *expletive deleted*it from happening. Here in Oklahoma there is the same deal. Once a quarter I believe all the clubs meet to go over issues that may have come up.
Curious as to what the fall out of this might be on a larger scale. From the three main groups involved the Bandidos is the only one here in Oklahoma and they don't run the state.
http://txcocinews.org/
Link to the Texas site.
The Bandidos don't "run" the state but they have a very significant presence particularly if you add in the "support clubs". And, the HA have a very quiet but considerable presence in the NE part of the state.
I used to attend the OK COC meetings as a rep for ABATE. Never saw or heard of any issues at the meetings.
http://okcoc.com/members.php (http://okcoc.com/members.php)
In a "previous life" there were 2 rules that were very important to keep in mind:
Don't bring heat on the patch.
Three can keep a secret if two are dead. (that one originates with the HA but it's pretty widespread)
What just happened in Waco very definitely brought a hell of a lot of heat on all the clubs involved. I'd be real surprised if the shooting and dying is over. What follows probably wont be nearly so high profile but it's far from over.
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What is CoC?
confederation of clubs.
Otherwise known as "a bunch of scumbags trying to pretend they're civilized, and give a *expletive deleted*it about anything other than their bullshit allegiance to clubs"
Last one i went to, a fight broke out almost immediately.
I have no idea why CVMA participates, but I won't be anymore
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Folks see it as a cool thrill to be near the 1 percenter's.
I've always given outlaw bikers a wide berth. There's just too many psychopaths in their ranks who will start wailing on you for no good reason. And they're not above stealing your bike from you if there's nobody around.
I have had a couple of opportunities to laugh at them, though.
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confederation of clubs.
Otherwise known as "a bunch of scumbags trying to pretend they're civilized, and give a *expletive deleted*it about anything other than their bullshit allegiance to clubs"
Last one i went to, a fight broke out almost immediately.
I have no idea why CVMA participates, but I won't be anymore
Gotcha, I can see that going downhill in a hurry at a meeting.
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I've always given outlaw bikers a wide berth. There's just too many psychopaths in their ranks who will start wailing on you for no good reason. And they're not above stealing your bike from you if there's nobody around.
I have had a couple of opportunities to laugh at them, though.
I try to avoid them like the plague. I was on a large organized bicycle ride fundraiser a couple weekends ago and a handful of SOSs showed up at the American Legion we stopped at for refreshments, I was waiting for them to try and start something with all of us bicyclists.
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I try to avoid them like the plague. I was on a large organized bicycle ride fundraiser a couple weekends ago and a handful of SOSs showed up at the American Legion we stopped at for refreshments, I was waiting for them to try and start something with all of us bicyclists.
SOSs?
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According to today's paper, every killing and wounding in Waco was in the "good riddance" category - that is, NO innocent bystanders were killed or injured, only motorcycle gang members. =D
Also said only a few arrests were made so far, but over 50 were "detained" pending investigation.
Gunfire was also exchanged with the local police, but no definitive word on who shot who yet.
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SOSs?
Sons Of Silence maybe
http://www.justice.gov/criminal/ocgs/gangs/motorcycle.html
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confederation of clubs.
Otherwise known as "a bunch of scumbags trying to pretend they're civilized, and give a *expletive deleted*it about anything other than their bullshit allegiance to clubs"
Last one i went to, a fight broke out almost immediately.
I have no idea why CVMA participates, but I won't be anymore
The reason the CVMA and other non-1% clubs participate is so that they can fly their colors without hassle. Try running an event without your state CoC recognizing your club and see what happens.
RKL you're right about the "large" presence of Bandidos in Oklahoma but the Outlaws run the state and the Mongols have a large presence also.
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Sons Of Silence maybe
http://www.justice.gov/criminal/ocgs/gangs/motorcycle.html
Yes, they have a very large presence in Iowa.
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The reason the CVMA and other non-1% clubs participate is so that they can fly their colors without hassle. Try running an event without your state CoC recognizing your club and see what happens.
RKL you're right about the "large" presence of Bandidos in Oklahoma but the Outlaws run the state and the Mongols have a large presence also.
We didn't participate in VA... and the dominant clubs in the area STILL put out the standard "leave CVMA alone" word.
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They may not have actively participated but I would bet that there was a formal agreement somewhere at sometime to allow you to fly your colors. Most CoC's don't have issues with the military clubs. The only issues we had at first was from the Combat Vets and the American Veterans MC saying we would be stealing their members. Once they were convinced that to be a member of our club you had to have served in the National Guard they were fine with that.
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The reason the CVMA and other non-1% clubs participate is so that they can fly their colors without hassle. Try running an event without your state CoC recognizing your club and see what happens.
RKL you're right about the "large" presence of Bandidos in Oklahoma but the Outlaws run the state and the Mongols have a large presence also.
So you're pretty much saying the CoC is an extortion racket?
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Here's an article that did not seem to stink to me
http://heavy.com/news/2015/05/what-biker-gangs-were-involved-in-waco-texas-shootout-banditos-scimitars-cossacks-motorcycle-club-gang-shooting-victims-rivals-photos-video-gang-names/
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So you're pretty much saying the CoC is an extortion racket?
In not so many words, but the main focus of the CoC in Oklahoma is to pose a unified front when it comes to opposing anti-motorcycle legislation and progressing the lifestyle. Additionally they hope to prevent *expletive deleted*it like you saw in Waco.
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What is it about motorcycles that attracts this kind of nonsense? I don't see Corvette owners riding around in gangs, having sartorial arguments, and shooting one another over issues of recruitment.
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you have a lot more freedom on a bike than you do in a car, I learned to ride in CA where lane splitting is legal/common/
Do that in Florida and people act like you're eating babies ;/
You can not lane split in a car, you have the ability to do so much more on a bike than you do in car - the only thing that prevents you is "thinking" ...
When control freak lady is in the fast lane making sure to do exactly 5mph below the speed limit a car is often at her mercy - a bike is capable of easily going around her -
The freedom of bikes attracts non conformist - some of whom - like the fine gentlemen on this forum - will simply out maneuver control freak lady and go about our merry way - the criminal non conformist might take the opportunity to mete out some criminal justice to control freak lady if the opportunity arises
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What is it about motorcycles that attracts this kind of nonsense? I don't see Corvette owners riding around in gangs, having sartorial arguments, and shooting one another over issues of recruitment.
BMW owners would, but it's hard to fight with a latte in one hand and a cell phone in the other while driving 80 with one knee on the wheel.
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What is it about motorcycles that attracts this kind of nonsense? I don't see Corvette owners riding around in gangs, having sartorial arguments, and shooting one another over issues of recruitment.
Blame the Greatest Generation:
Their origins start at the end of World War Two when some ex-servicemen returning from the war found their civilian lives boring. Small numbers formed groups and headed to the highways on high-powered motorbikes in search of adventure and excitement.
http://www.gangscene.co.nz/gangscene-new-zealand-motorcycle-gangs-omcg.html
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A former soldier of mine is heavily involved in the Iron Order MC. I haven't done much research on them, but it would appear from his postings (and the fact that he's a currently serving Army Officer), that they just like to ride and drink. Hopefully in that order.
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What is it about motorcycles that attracts this kind of nonsense? I don't see Corvette owners riding around in gangs, having sartorial arguments, and shooting one another over issues of recruitment.
I've always wondered this, too. This stuff all seems weird to me.
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A former soldier of mine is heavily involved in the Iron Order MC. I haven't done much research on them, but it would appear from his postings (and the fact that he's a currently serving Army Officer), that they just like to ride and drink. Hopefully in that order.
The iron order are full of aholes and criminals. The only difference is, they often get away with being aholes and criminals because of their associations.
Most MCs, in my experience, are chock full of scumbags with *expletive deleted*ed up priorities, psychopaths, or wannabe tough guys.
I had a couple of f *expletive deleted*faces from some small 1% support club tell me to take my CVMA vest off once. I told them if they wanted it removed, they'd have to do it. They all talked a big game , but when it came down to it they chickened out.
Later they came at me with 10 guys instead of two. Suddenly they were much more bold.
They STILL didn't do *expletive deleted*it.
anyways, as charby mentioned, most early MCs had their genesis in post-WW2. Not sure when it transitioned into criminal activity...
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What is it about motorcycles that attracts this kind of nonsense? I don't see Corvette owners riding around in gangs, having sartorial arguments, and shooting one another over issues of recruitment.
I've always wondered this, too. This stuff all seems weird to me.
Most organized criminal gangs are based on some surface commonality. Could be race, could be physical location, could be a common lifestyle. MC's are based on the third option. It's all about tribalism, what denotes your "tribe" is largely irrelevant.
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Some interesting gun choices among the popo.
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Cops must be so excited to finally have an excuse to roll old Bertha here.
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It is my experience most of you 1% clubs will not harass your military clubs or the faith based clubs. Now some of their support clubs might try but usually all it takes is for the 1% club to be notified that member(s) of their support clubs are being asshats they will put a stop to it one way or another.
IMHO as other walks of life in the biker community it boils down to respect. Be smart and you shouldn't have any problems. The only issues we have seen with our club is that some of our members fly the original 45th Inf Div patch, the Swastika, and some take offense to it. Once it is explained what it is 99% of the people don't have a problem.
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The iron order are full of aholes and criminals. The only difference is, they often get away with being aholes and criminals because of their associations.
Most MCs, in my experience, are chock full of scumbags with *expletive deleted*ed up priorities, psychopaths, or wannabe tough guys.
I had a couple of f *expletive deleted*faces from some small 1% support club tell me to take my CVMA vest off once. I told them if they wanted it removed, they'd have to do it. They all talked a big game , but when it came down to it they chickened out.
Later they came at me with 10 guys instead of two. Suddenly they were much more bold.
They STILL didn't do *expletive deleted*it.
anyways, as charby mentioned, most early MCs had their genesis in post-WW2. Not sure when it transitioned into criminal activity...
I bet this guy might have changed your tune! :rofl:
-the big guy, not Putin
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Actual %1 OMC's are just another gang. No different than Crips/Bloods/La Raza/MS13 etc.
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I bet this guy might have changed your tune! :rofl:
-the big guy, not Putin
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Putin is 5'7
making that guy built about the same as me.
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Cops must be so excited to finally have an excuse to roll old Bertha here.
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About the one in a million time it is even justified for them to use.
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Actual %1 OMC's are just another gang. No different than Crips/Bloods/La Raza/MS13 etc.
From what I've read, the Mongols maintain affiliations with some street gangs in Southern California. So yeah, no different.
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From what I've read, the Mongols maintain affiliations with some street gangs in Southern California. So yeah, no different.
The OMCs are just smart enough to have better PR to generate public sympathy.
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The OMCs are just smart enough to have better PR to generate public sympathy.
This
"we do XYZ for the community"
Most MCs collect/raise a lot of funds for charities / injured riders.
For the OMCs, it's small potatoes compared to their illicit revenues.
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its weird, I started riding and automatically felt camaraderie with other riders - its the same with gun ownership - especially if you're in a liberal anti gun enclave - persecuted minority I guess, looking out for each other ....
once I became a gun owner and got interested in ...say for instance - black rifles or .9mm versus .45acp and methods of concealed carry, tactics for open carry - it turned into a fraternity - because other gun owners understand - its like those silly people who felt the need to ask "why do you need more than one single shot .22LR"
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I had a couple of f *expletive deleted*faces from some small 1% support club tell me to take my CVMA vest off once. I told them if they wanted it removed, they'd have to do it. They all talked a big game , but when it came down to it they chickened out.
I'm going to assume that a CVMA vest is a motorcycle club membership vest. What was their problem with it?
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That club's not 1% enough to have vests.
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not a club, an association. we don't have "territory" and it's a simple one piece patch. It's actually a veterans charity who like to ride motorcycles, more than a motorcycle "club"
They said that where i was at was "their" turf.
Which is asinine on many levels (since we aren't a club), but the chief of which is that the dominant clubs had long ago put the word out that we were to have free reign anywhere we went.
From what I understand the CoC dick smacked them over the issue.
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That club's not 1% enough to have vests.
1% what?
And they seriously get upset over other folks' vests?
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1% what?
And they seriously get upset over other folks' vests?
Yes. Clubs are territorial like gangs. The bad ones are 1 % ers which stands for the 1% who break the law and do anything for the club. Hells angels etc. you gotta earn a 1% patch and usually not by doing something pretty.
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1% what?
And they seriously get upset over other folks' vests?
1% comes from a misquote from American Motorcycle Association after the Hollister, CA Riot in 1947.
Something 99% of motorcyclists don't act like the ones that caused the problems in Hollister.
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1% what?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaw_motorcycle_club#One_percenter
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So they're rebels, and outlaws, and don't care about the rules. Until you wear something they don't like on the wrong side of some territorial line, and then they suddenly care very much about the rules. Must have good order, musn't we, old chap?
Between the bicyclists and bikers, there seems to be some mental derangement involved in riding two-wheeled vehicles, as an adult. This should be investigated.
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So they're rebels, and outlaws, and don't care about the rules. Until you wear something they don't like on the wrong side of some territorial line, and then they suddenly care very much about the rules. Must have good order, musn't we, old chap?
Between the bicyclists and bikers, there seems to be some mental derangement involved in riding two-wheeled vehicles, as an adult. This should be investigated.
Questioning them is a good way to end up seriously beaten or dead, along with your family. They don't *expletive deleted*ck around with people who try to figure them out.
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1% what?
And they seriously get upset over other folks' vests?
Alright I'm going to give you a rundown about the OMCs and colors.
Most Outlaw Motorcycle clubs have a three piece patch on the back of their vest. It'll have a top rocker, the main patch, and the bottom rocker. You'll see that the top rocker has the MC name, the bottom rocker often the location, and the main patch will be the logo.
Sometimes you will see riders with single rocker on the bottom of the jacket that says "prospect". These are people looking to join the OMC...they are associating with the OMC, going to events with the OMC, and often will engage in criminal activity in order to prove their loyalty to the OMC.
Any group that is wearing a design in the same style (i.e., a three piece patch) as an OMC will likely be hassled by an OMC...they are rather protective of "their" style.
So they're rebels, and outlaws, and don't care about the rules.
Oh no, OMCs care very much about rules. The difference is they only care about the rules of the club (most have a constitution and elected officers, and meet regularly). Their only allegiance is to the club.
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Yea their list of punishments us short but severe
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Also, as a reminder, there are way more non 1% clubs/organizations than there are one percenter clubs.
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Questioning them is a good way to end up seriously beaten or dead, along with your family. They don't *expletive deleted*ck around with people who try to figure them out.
You mean the motorcycle gangs, or the guys in the spandex? In either case, I wasn't planning to track them down and tell them the error of their ways.
Any group that is wearing a design in the same style (i.e., a three piece patch) as an OMC will likely be hassled by an OMC...they are rather protective of "their" style.
So, it's kinda like when a girl finds out some other girl just showed up, wearing the same dress?
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http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/national/southwest/2015/05/charges_filed_against_170_motorcycle_gang_members_in_texas
There are a bunch of articles, but looks like Twin Peaks revoked the franchise and the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission has temporarily revoked their alcohol permit. Heard the local manager had some involvement with one of the biker gangs. Not sure if that last was in an article or not.
http://www.goheroes.us/53-hours/texas-biker-gangs-ordered-to-kill-anyone-in-uniform
I saw this nugget posted about bikers going after cops, but others say it is bogus.
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I think most outlaw bikers are more like sociopaths who happen to ride motorcycles than they are hard-core bikers. The ones I've actually spoken to didn't know squat about working on bikes or what makes them go. I had the pleasure of watching one outlaw absolutely destroy his clutch and primary chain after he had them apart. Every time I'd offer advice, he'd tell me to *expletive deleted*ck off. The clatter when he started up the bike was music to my ears.
My ex-BIL was put in the hospital for three days by a Milwaukee Outlaw for absolutely no reason. Just wanted to beat someone to death, and BIL was the first person he saw. When the cops talked to BIL, they told him he could press charges, but then he'd be in danger from the rest of the club. So, the Outlaw was never charged.
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http://kxan.com/2015/05/17/fatal-shooting-at-twin-peaks-in-waco/
"At least" 170 arrested and charged so far, I've seen reports of 192 at present but not sure on source.
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=417_1431900525
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This appears to have been an event sanctioned through United Clubs of Waco. Here's a list of their member clubs.
BANDIDOS MC
OUTCAST MC
LOS CABALLEROS MC, KILLEEN
LOS CABALLEROS MC, MCLENNAN NORTH
LOS CABALLEROS MC, MCLENNAN EAST
LOS COMANDANTES MC
AKA MANAH MC
AMERICAN LEGION RIDERS, POST 55
AMERICAN LEGION RIDERS, POST 121
AMERICAN LEGION RIDERS, POST 223
AMERICAN LEGION RIDERS, POST 573
AMERICAN LEGION RIDERS, POST 582
AMERICAN VETERANS MC
BIKERS AGAINST CHILD ABUSE, INC.
BLACK KINGZ MC
BROTHERS IN ARMS MC
BOOZEFIGHTERS MC, CH 50
BOOZEFIGHTERS MC, CH 78
BOOZEFIGHTERS MC, CH 99
CHARIOTS OF LIGHT
CIA - KILLEEN
CHRISTIAN MOTORCYCLISTS ASSOCIATION
CIRCUIT RIDER MOTORCYCLE MINISTRY
COMBAT VETS MOTORCYCLE ASSOCIATION
CORRUPT RIDAZ
CHROME CRUZERS MC
DEM BOYZ - KILLEEN
DEM GIRLZ
DISCIPLES FOR CHRIST MM
DOGMEN MC
DRGA MC
ESSAYONS MC
FADED SPADES MC
FORGOTTEN SOLDIERS MC
FREEDOM RIDERS MC
FULL TILT RIDERS MC
QUEEN CITY DIVAS MC
GYPSY MC, BELTON
HONOR BOUND MOTORCYCLE MINISTRY
IN COUNTRY MC
K9 MC
K9 TOO MC
KINGZ MC
LADY LEGENDZ ON TWO MC
LEGENDZ ON TWO MC
LEATHERNECKS MC
LONESTAR KRUSERS MC
LOS PIRADOS MC
MARINES MC
MOOSE RIDERS, C2
NASTY DOGS MC
NEWS MC
NIGHT STALKERS MC
NUBOYZ WIT ATTITUDE MC
OUTSYDAZ MSC
PRIESTHOOD MM
QUEENS OF SHEBA MC
REGULATORS MC, BELL COUNTY
RUFF RYDERS
SHELL SHOCKED MC
SHOW STOPPAZ MC
SILVERBACKS MC
SIX MC
SONS OF BORIKEN MC
SONS OF SOLOMON MC
SONS OF THE SOUTH MC
SOUL HAWKS MC
SOUL II SOUL MC - KILLEEN
TRU RYDERZ MC
VETERANS MC
VIET NAM VETS / LEGACY VETS MC
WIND & FIRE MC, INC.
#1 STUNNAS MSC
1st Cav Riders
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Cops are reporting large numbers of out of area bikers coming to town after the festivities and sticking around. Local hospital where the injured are being treated is locked down to prevent reprisal killings.
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Police--Out-Of-Town-Bikers-Remain-In-Waco-304116201.htm
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Between the bicyclists and bikers, there seems to be some mental derangement involved in riding two-wheeled vehicles, as an adult. This should be investigated.
Submitted for your approval and to prove your point: After I rode the Suzuki DL650 to and from the office today, clad in my fluorescent neon Olympia suit, I came home and rode one of my bicycles for ten miles, clad in my fluorescent neon spandex jersey, but just regular shorts. Clear evidence of derangement. Or senility. :old:
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Submitted for your approval and to prove your point: After I rode the Suzuki DL650 to and from the office today, clad in my fluorescent neon Olympia suit, I came home and rode one of my bicycles for ten miles, clad in my fluorescent neon spandex jersey, but just regular shorts. Clear evidence of derangement. Or senility. :old:
Making me picture you in spandex may qualify as domestic terrorism. ;)
Here's a WaPo puff piece on the Bandidos, with some useful background on the OMC phenomenon.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/05/18/how-the-bandidos-became-americas-most-feared-biker-gang/
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Interesting tidbit from this article. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/05/18/waco-shootout-police-involvement/27530257/
A warning bulletin was even issued May 1 by the Texas Joint Information Center run by the Texas Department of Public Safety.
"Violence between members of the Bandidos OMG and the Cossacks MC has increased in Texas with no indication of diminishing," according to the bulletin. "The conflict may stem from Cossacks members refusing to pay Bandidos dues for operating in Texas and for claiming Texas as their territory by wearing the Texas bottom rocker on their vests, or 'colors' or 'cuts."
According to the bulletin, law officers had been actively trying to reduce tensions between the two groups and had met with them about it. They had been cautioned about the "unwanted attention a potential war would bring to both groups," the bulletin said.
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No doubt the trouble started when someone was ridiculed for their team's dopey, rap-group name.
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This appears to have been an event sanctioned through United Clubs of Waco. Here's a list of their member clubs.
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QUEENS OF SHEBA MC
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There's a joke here, but I haven't found it quite yet.
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No doubt the trouble started when someone was ridiculed for their team's dopey, rap-group name.
I'd imagine that some of them are in fact urban youth rap listening groups.
You seem to be taking violent organized criminal enterprises rather lightly.
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First mugshots released. What a bunch of fine upstanding individuals.
http://www.fox4news.com/story/29095371/mugshots-released-of-motorcycle-gang-members-arrested-in-waco
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The annual Republic of Texas biker rally is coming up June 11-14. Somewhere around 50,000 bikers expected. That'll be interesting.
http://www.rotrally.com/articles/rot-rally-news/162/rot-rally-statement-on-20th-anniversary-event
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First mugshots released. What a bunch of fine upstanding individuals.
http://www.fox4news.com/story/29095371/mugshots-released-of-motorcycle-gang-members-arrested-in-waco
Flip through those pictures and you will see a trend. Besides the obvious dirt bag look going on.
White guys and Hispanic guys.
I'm not up on my mc gang groups but aren't some of the ones listed back clubs and also Nazi based ones.
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CNN is reporting that at least four of the dead were killed by police:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/18/us/texas-biker-gang-brawl-shooting/index.html
With reports of more Bandidos and Cossacks headed to north Texas, I'm wondering if they're looking for rival "club" members or the police. Or both.
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Flip through those pictures and you will see a trend. Besides the obvious dirt bag look going on.
White guys and Hispanic guys.
I'm not up on my mc gang groups but aren't some of the ones listed back clubs and also Nazi based ones.
I believe there are some black OMC's but none were at this gathering AFAICT.
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Looks like this has been brewing for a while.
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Waco-Shootout-Linked-to-North-Texas-Attacks-304170711.html
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I believe there are some black OMC's but none were at this gathering AFAICT.
There are sportbike clubs that participate in the CoC and quite a few are majority black, both 1% and non, and they're the ones in the list. This gathering didn't have them from what I can see. You'd know by the bikes.
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There are sportbike clubs that participate in the CoC and quite a few are majority black, both 1% and non, and they're the ones in the list. This gathering didn't have them from what I can see. You'd know by the bikes.
Here in WA we have an all Goldwing club that is majority black from what I've seen.
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What is CoC?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1TeoMNbOpE#t=47m37s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1TeoMNbOpE#t=47m37s)
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You say COC, I say big tent with crappy network and antiquated computers :P
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You seem to be taking violent organized criminal enterprises rather lightly.
No, I'm sure there are plenty of dangerous criminals to be found therein. It's just that they should be mocked, the same way we mock ISIS, Apple-users, or other ne'erdowells.
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No, I'm sure there are plenty of dangerous criminals to be found therein. It's just that they should be mocked, the same way we mock ISIS, Apple-users, or other ne'erdowells.
I don't think you realize how dangerous 1% clubs are.
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So, if I wanted to just ride a motorcycle for fun, would I have to play along with all of this drama and pageantry? Would I have to join a gang and wear a uniform and worry about whose turf I'm on and which other gangs are allies and enemies? Or could I, you know, just ride a motorcycle for fun? Would they hassle me for not participating in all this ridiculous nonsense?
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So, if I wanted to just ride a motorcycle for fun, would I have to play along with all of this drama and pageantry? Would I have to join a gang and wear a uniform and worry about whose turf I'm on and which other gangs are allies and enemies? Or could I, you know, just ride a motorcycle for fun? Would they hassle me for not participating in all this ridiculous nonsense?
No, not at all. You can ride a motorcycle for fun without any association, just don't wear any colors or patches from any of the MCs.
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I'm not saying it doesn't happen but I've never seen a 1%er go after a "civilian" biker that's just out minding their own business . Kind of a don't start no *expletive deleted*it won't be no *expletive deleted*it deal for the most part. I've put a lot of miles on cross country and never had any problems when I've encountered MCs on the road.
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From what I understand the CoC dick smacked them over the issue.
I had no idea the Council of Churches had gotten so heavy-handed.
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I don't think you realize how dangerous 1% clubs are.
What has gotten into you guys? What other groups are so dangerous that we dare not make fun of them on the internets? It would seem I need a list.
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So, if I wanted to just ride a motorcycle for fun, would I have to play along with all of this drama and pageantry? Would I have to join a gang and wear a uniform and worry about whose turf I'm on and which other gangs are allies and enemies? Or could I, you know, just ride a motorcycle for fun? Would they hassle me for not participating in all this ridiculous nonsense?
I rode a Norton all over CA during the 70's and often ran into HAs or another group called the Orphans. Usually met them when camping, etc. Never had any issues, it was a mutual respect I guess. I would offer them food, they would offer me other stuff and at the appropriate time I would retire to my little tent.
Now days I pretty much ride alone. Most of my bike riding friends have HDs and they play the part to the hilt. Every thing they wear is HD branded, when they ride or not ride they dress like pirates. ;/ I just can't do that!!
I have run across a few 1%ers recently at gas stations, etc and we exchanged pleasantries and head out our own way. I have seen a few more prospects running around town lately, the HAs have taken a pretty good hit here in WA lately so maybe they are trying to rebuild. Those are the ones I keep my eye on a little closer than the patched members.
bob
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So, if I wanted to just ride a motorcycle for fun, would I have to play along with all of this drama and pageantry? Would I have to join a gang and wear a uniform and worry about whose turf I'm on and which other gangs are allies and enemies? Or could I, you know, just ride a motorcycle for fun? Would they hassle me for not participating in all this ridiculous nonsense?
Don't wear a three piece patch and you'll be fine. Just like not going into Bloods territory wearing blue.
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I'm not saying it doesn't happen but I've never seen a 1%er go after a "civilian" biker that's just out minding their own business . Kind of a don't start no *expletive deleted*it won't be no *expletive deleted*it deal for the most part. I've put a lot of miles on cross country and never had any problems when I've encountered MCs on the road.
OMC's are businesses, criminal businesses but still. Attacking random civilians brings heat to the gang and hurts profits. Probably a better chance of non MC affiliated violent criminals hassling you.
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What has gotten into you guys? What other groups are so dangerous that we dare not make fun of them on the internets? It would seem I need a list.
You are coming across less as mocking the group and more as making light of the threat they pose.
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I'm not saying it doesn't happen but I've never seen a 1%er go after a "civilian" biker that's just out minding their own business . Kind of a don't start no *expletive deleted*it won't be no *expletive deleted*it deal for the most part. I've put a lot of miles on cross country and never had any problems when I've encountered MCs on the road.
That's been my experience as well
If you did have a beef with 1 trick would be to get the club to be clear it's not club business
If its club business you have a problem
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Seen reports that bail for the offenders have been set at $1 million. Some comments I saw on one story brings up a good question. How many of these are actually going to be convicted? I know some of them might be but wonder when it comes to trial how many witnesses won't show up.
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not a club, an association. we don't have "territory" and it's a simple one piece patch. It's actually a veterans charity who like to ride motorcycles, more than a motorcycle "club"
They said that where i was at was "their" turf.
Which is asinine on many levels (since we aren't a club), but the chief of which is that the dominant clubs had long ago put the word out that we were to have free reign anywhere we went.
From what I understand the CoC dick smacked them over the issue.
That is what a good CoC can and will do. If, you, as a member of a club that is a member of the CoC, run into issues with another club or the law you contact your club officers and they will contact the CoC and let them handle the issue as a larger organization.
My club doesn't wear a three piece patch, just a two, because we aren't about claiming territory.
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OMC's are businesses, criminal businesses but still. Attacking random civilians brings heat to the gang and hurts profits. Probably a better chance of non MC affiliated violent criminals hassling you.
The term "outlaw" gets misused quite a bit when it comes to bikers.
The use of "outlaw" when applied to a motorcycle club means no more than that they are not sanctioned by a governing body such as the American Motorcycle Association. A 1% club is a totally different animal. When I was still in VA I was a patch holder in an "outlaw" motorcycle club. While some members may or may not have been involved in criminal activity the club itself was not.
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You are coming across less as mocking the group and more as making light of the threat they pose.
That doesn't make any sense. Was it the part where I said they were dangerous criminals, or the part where I compared them to a group that commits mass murder on video?
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That doesn't make any sense. Was it the part where I said they were dangerous criminals, or the part where I compared them to a group that commits mass murder on video?
1% Motorcycle Clubs are the kind of organization if they think you are disrespecting them will show up at your doorstep in numbers, kick you ass, gang rape your wife in front of you, then kill your wife with a pall peen hammer while making you watch, then if you are lucky they will kill you quickly instead of the same fate your wife got.
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Reavers 1%ers might take issue with that philosophy. If they had a philosophy. If they weren't too busy gnawing on your insides. Charby's right, Reavers 1%ers ain't men. Or they forgot how to be. Now they're just nothing. They got out to the edge of the galaxy, to the edge of the galaxy, to that place of nothing, and that's what they became.
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Don't wear a three piece patch and you'll be fine. Just like not going into Bloods territory wearing blue.
What is the difference between the bottom rocker saying the name of a state and the name of a city?
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What is the difference between the bottom rocker saying the name of a state and the name of a city?
The territory that you can run in without being hassled by the dominant club.
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I had no idea the Council of Churches had gotten so heavy-handed.
And, see, I thought this was perfectly in line with my understanding of the Chamber of Commerce.
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Are these guys in one of the clubs?
Maybe Waco can call in Philo Beddoe and Clyde.
=D
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That doesn't make any sense. Was it the part where I said they were dangerous criminals, or the part where I compared them to a group that commits mass murder on video?
You're right fisty, if someone is trying to communicate something but conveying the opposite message obviously it's the audience's fault for not groking your intent instead of a problem with your communication methodology.
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1% Motorcycle Clubs are the kind of organization if they think you are disrespecting them will show up at your doorstep in numbers, kick you ass, gang rape your wife in front of you, then kill your wife with a pall peen hammer while making you watch, then if you are lucky they will kill you quickly instead of the same fate your wife got.
That's if you don't dole out 55gr door prizes to them first, just for showing up.
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My ex-BIL was put in the hospital for three days by a Milwaukee Outlaw for absolutely no reason. Just wanted to beat someone to death, and BIL was the first person he saw. When the cops talked to BIL, they told him he could press charges, but then he'd be in danger from the rest of the club. So, the Outlaw was never charged.
Doesn't that 'code of silence' or 'snitches get stitches' work both ways?
They guy has to eat, sleep, *expletive deleted*it, and go about his own business like anyone else, plenty of times he won't be around his boyfriends to protect him.
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Doesn't that 'code of silence' or 'snitches get stitches' work both ways?
They guy has to eat, sleep, *expletive deleted*it, and go about his own business like anyone else, plenty of times he won't be around his boyfriends to protect him.
Yeah.... he's old now. Assuming he's not dead or in prison.
Shouldn't be hard.
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I was in a grouchy mood and posted on facebook how tired I was at all the wannabees at the AA clubs in reno/sparks - how to many look like sons of anarchy extras and how the The Vago's and The Hells Angels are not in charge of AA and that I was sick and tired of them acting like they are.... the vago's I was cordial with are not as friendly any more and the hells angel dood is the same - i suspect he cant read :rofl:
I wonder if the killings are going to change the way ppl look at them?
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You're right fisty, if someone is trying to communicate something but conveying the opposite message obviously it's the audience's fault for not groking your intent instead of a problem with your communication methodology.
I don't recall saying they were not dangerous. I was just saying that their motivations seem very silly to me. And yes, it is your fault for not understanding that. It weren't exactly written in Hittite.
1% Motorcycle Clubs are the kind of organization if they think you are disrespecting them will show up at your doorstep in numbers, kick you ass, gang rape your wife in front of you, then kill your wife with a pall peen hammer while making you watch, then if you are lucky they will kill you quickly instead of the same fate your wife got.
Unless they're patrolling random message boards, and visiting these capital crimes on random internet gadflies, I'm not sure what your point is.
[Insert the usual tough talk about how I'll take some of them with me, Murica!]
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Reavers 1%ers might take issue with that philosophy. If they had a philosophy. If they weren't too busy gnawing on your insides. Charby's right, Reavers 1%ers ain't men. Or they forgot how to be. Now they're just nothing. They got out to the edge of the galaxy, to the edge of the galaxy, to that place of nothing, and that's what they became.
"Reavers MC" does have a certain ring to it.
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I was just saying that their motivations seem very silly to me.
Lots of people have silly, if not downright imbecilic motivations. Bikers are far from having a monopoly on that.
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Lots of people have silly, if not downright imbecilic motivations. Bikers are far from having a monopoly on that.
I once drove my enclosed motor carriage to a sock monkey festival.
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Lots of people have silly, if not downright imbecilic motivations. Bikers are far from having a monopoly on that.
Yeah, it's certainly true that you get plenty of stupid from all walks of life.
But the motorcycle gang is unique. As a hobby, motorcycling does have a monopoly on territorial crime gangs. You don't see that kind of behavior associated with 4x4 offroading clubs, or bicycling clubs, pilots or boat owners or drag racers or or stamp collectors or gun owners or, well, anything else. Is there any other recreation that attracts violent organized crime the same way motorcycling does?
The closest similarity is with inner city street gangs, and that's not based on a common hobby or pastime.
It's an odd phenomenon. Why is it motorcycles, of all things?
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Yeah, it's certainly true that you get plenty of stupid from all walks of life.
But the motorcycle gang is unique. As a hobby, motorcycling does have a monopoly on territorial crime gangs. You don't see that kind of behavior associated with 4x4 offroading clubs, or bicycling clubs, pilots or boat owners or drag racers or or stamp collectors or gun owners or, well, anything else. Is there any other recreation that attracts violent organized crime the same way motorcycling does?
The closest similarity is with inner city street gangs, and that's not based on a common hobby or pastime.
It's an odd phenomenon. Why is it motorcycles, of all things?
Doesn't the ricer crowd attract some level of organized crime, at least to a lesser extent?
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Doesn't the ricer crowd attract some level of organized crime, at least to a lesser extent?
Sure... we'll go with that.
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Sure... we'll go with that.
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Ah good one! I forgot about the ATF and their criminal activities >:D
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I had no idea the Council of Churches had gotten so heavy-handed.
Nuns with rulers, man.
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Nuns with rulers, man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqkowVU5mZI&t=1m59s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqkowVU5mZI&t=1m59s)
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Nuns with rulers, man.
Thanks, my PTSD from Catholic School just made me shiver in my seat.
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Crack investigate team finds photo documenting start of the Waco parking space dispute.
https://twitter.com/bcwilliams92/status/600523715357487104
stay safe.
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BobR was in Waco?
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BobR was in Waco?
:rofl:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYIKw91sAWE
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That's if you don't dole out 55gr door prizes to them first, just for showing up.
I hear ya but with a 1% gang I fear em only a hair less than ms 13.
Both groups if you have a beef you need to kill everyone you possibly can right away because once they figure out who you are, and they will, you will have to kill em all. And they will kill your family first just to see the look on your face. In my life situation I might as well go for broke. If I win in the first encounter without my id revealed great. If I die they won't go after family.
They operate on a scale/morality that's hard to imagine.
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I hear ya but with a 1% gang I fear em only a hair less than ms 13.
Both groups if you have a beef you need to kill everyone you possibly can right away because once they figure out who you are, and they will, you will have to kill em all. And they will kill your family first just to see the look on your face. In my life situation I might as well go for broke. If I win in the first encounter without my id revealed great. If I die they won't go after family.
They operate on a scale/morality that's hard to imagine.
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The fact that they will go after women and children should be enough for a civil society to exterminate the *expletive deleted*ers-every last one of them. See how tough they are- whether they are ms-13 or Hells Angels if there is a 'shoot on sight' bounty on them.
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Yeah, it's certainly true that you get plenty of stupid from all walks of life.
But the motorcycle gang is unique. As a hobby, motorcycling does have a monopoly on territorial crime gangs. You don't see that kind of behavior associated with 4x4 offroading clubs, or bicycling clubs, pilots or boat owners or drag racers or or stamp collectors or gun owners or, well, anything else. Is there any other recreation that attracts violent organized crime the same way motorcycling does?
The closest similarity is with inner city street gangs, and that's not based on a common hobby or pastime.
It's an odd phenomenon. Why is it motorcycles, of all things?
I just want to add that I saw no signs of criminal activity at the sock monkey festival, so that's another hobby...
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The fact that they will go after women and children should be enough for a civil society to exterminate the *expletive deleted*ers-every last one of them. See how tough they are- whether they are ms-13 or Hells Angels if there is a 'shoot on sight' bounty on them.
So just let Obama drone them, then?
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The fact that they will go after women and children should be enough for a civil society to exterminate the *expletive deleted*ers-every last one of them. See how tough they are- whether they are ms-13 or Hells Angels if there is a 'shoot on sight' bounty on them.
Butbutbut they do so much for charity...just misunderstood big softies who get a bad rap from the po-leece and anti-motorcyclists.
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Butbutbut they do so much for charity...just misunderstood big softies who get a bad rap from the po-leece and anti-motorcyclists.
The problem comes when people take what you just said, and apply it to the tons of law abiding clubs and associations who do a lot for charity.
And a lot of that is because of the actions that cause a bad perception. It's like, these guys while whine about how they're being associated with 1%ers... then they get on their bikes and act like aholes on the road with a whip dangling from their handlebars and profane patches right next to the CVMA logo on their vests.
It's like "*expletive deleted*ing really, dipshits?"
the CVMA chapter i was in when i lived in VA wrote consistent 5 figure checks to vets charities.
And unfortunately, while doing so, some of our members acted like f *expletive deleted*faces. No criminal activity, but a LOT of poser activity
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I just want to add that I saw no signs of criminal activity at the sock monkey festival, so that's another hobby...
That would like comparing a tangerine to a #2 pencil, no freaking correlation at all.
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That would like comparing a tangerine to a #2 pencil, no freaking correlation at all.
You are way too easy. :rofl:
Also,
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The fact that they will go after women and children should be enough for a civil society to exterminate the *expletive deleted*ers-every last one of them. See how tough they are- whether they are ms-13 or Hells Angels if there is a 'shoot on sight' bounty on them.
I like your plan. Our society seems more concerned with protecting their rights than taking out the trash
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You are way too easy. :rofl:
Also,
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1% Pet Dog heard your sock monkey was disrespecting it.
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huh. Never thought Fistful would own a leather pig sock monkey. I guess we know where the moniker "fistful" comes from.
Chris
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huh. Never thought Fistful would own a leather pig sock monkey. I guess we know where the moniker "fistful" comes from.
Chris
I'm not sure what that means, but that particular monkey is not from my collection. I like this one better
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I'm not sure what that means, but that particular monkey is not from my collection. I like this one better
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5283/5352733798_9550d57d42_z.jpg)
^Looks like that one was picked last for kickball and bullied by the 1% sock monkeys
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Doesn't the ricer crowd attract some level of organized crime, at least to a lesser extent?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INfElroIKO0
the range rover bumped and slightly injured a rice burner riding with a bunch of other rice burners - they attempted to stop him and he ran over another biker - and that biker was so severely injured he is now paralyzed.
I've been told by motorcycle messengers trying to work in NYC that it useless to try and obey all the laws that if you ride like bikers from other states ( like actually using your superior maneuvering ability to pass someone ) you get a ticket...if you stop .... so that civil disobedience has become widespread among bikers in NYC - they no longer wear license plates and simply leave if the cops try to pull them over - my brother ( a cop in Westchester County north of NYC confirms this ) doesn't even bother to chse them if they don't pull over because you can't catch them.
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Back in 1965, Hunter S. Thompson wrote a book on the Hell's Angels titled, appropriately enough, "Hells Angels". He hung around with them to get the content for the book. In exchange they wanted X number of cases of beer. When he finished the book, he didn't get the beer for them and they put out a contract on his life. They also did security for the Rolling Stones 1969 Altamont concert in exchange for beer. Maybe if you're being attacked by Hell's Angels, you can offer them beer.
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I eagerly await those who were raving about the amazing journalistic skills of these fruitcakes to start backtracking now.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/05/19/report-of-waco-police-affidavitwarrants-inconsistent-with-initial-public-claims-by-same-police/
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I eagerly await those who were raving about the amazing journalistic skills of these fruitcakes to start backtracking now.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/05/19/report-of-waco-police-affidavitwarrants-inconsistent-with-initial-public-claims-by-same-police/
If the cops killed them, can we start the rioting?
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I'm not sure what that means, but that particular monkey is not from my collection. I like this one better
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So now you're into furies sockies? ???
Chris
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I eagerly await those who were raving about the amazing journalistic skills of these fruitcakes to start backtracking now.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/05/19/report-of-waco-police-affidavitwarrants-inconsistent-with-initial-public-claims-by-same-police/
Smell of an attempt at a big cover up. Be interesting to see how many bystanders start coming out of the wood work to tell the truth.
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I eagerly await those who were raving about the amazing journalistic skills of these fruitcakes to start backtracking now.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/05/19/report-of-waco-police-affidavitwarrants-inconsistent-with-initial-public-claims-by-same-police/
Whose journalistic skills? ???
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http://middleoftheright.blogspot.com/2015/05/did-anyone-notice.html
How all the "Biker Gang Members" pictured in the articles about the Waco shindig all appear to be wearing brand new patches on their colors?*
I've never seen so many bikers wearing brand new, clean, colors...on vests that have no apparent wear.
I mean, I know a lot of bikers, and a lot that are 1%, and I have never seen anyone with colors that are brand new like that, unless they lost 'em in a fire or an accident. Never the whole gang.
Odd.
Odd, indeed.
stay safe.
* - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3086950/The-mugshots-170-biker-gang-members-arrested-Waco-Texas-shootout-killed-nine-judge-orders-suspect-held-1million-bond.html
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From the above:
AndyN said...
Do you mean those guys with the big, bright yellow ATF on the back of their jackets? I think they're a special gang that has a magic money tree to pay for shiny new stuff so they don't have to wear anything old and faded.
The thing that struck me was (and I can't remember where I saw it) was that a rookie police officer was involved in the initial confrontation. I can't help but wonder if he panicked.
Funny that all the dead were outside, when the fight started inside. Plus them saying it was over a parking space outside.
So now I do wonder if there was confrontation between a bike(s) said rookie and he panicked, and police simply opened up once they heard the first shot?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYIKw91sAWE
I'm disappointed. I thought it would have been this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnemWSibRIE#t=0m29s
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Whose journalistic skills? ???
Conservative Treehouse. APS folks were touting their work on other controversial cases.
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As long as the melatonin deprived gangstas on bikes don't make life difficult for the overwhelming majority of citizens they will be able to exist in the background and shadows as always.
Americans love their outlaws and gangsters as long as they stay out of their actual lives.
If their antics start to impact the average Joe on a regular basis there will be a big smack down by law enforcement as well as some occasional vigilante justice when they mess with the wrong dude(s).
No different than than any group of gangsters.
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As long as the melatonin deprived gangstas on bikes
Are you possibly referring to 'melanin-deprived', as in skin color? Or do outlaw bikers suffer from insomnia?
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Are you possibly referring to 'melanin-deprived', as in skin color? Or do outlaw bikers suffer from insomnia?
They get surly when they don't get their nap.
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Are you possibly referring to 'melanin-deprived', as in skin color? Or do outlaw bikers suffer from insomnia?
Ha ha ha! :laugh: :facepalm:
Yes, white gangstas on bikes.
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Ha ha ha! :laugh: :facepalm:
Yes, white gangstas on bikes.
Where I lived up until last year, the local fairgrounds a few miles from my house always hosted 'motorcyclist' clubs as a place to camp. Mostly HOG, H-D anniversary events, BMW owner's clubs, etc. Often times there were thousands of people camping out these, never a problem.
One year they had a 'Black Biker's Club' thing at the fairgrounds- saw some really interesting bikes around town. Unfortunately things went south on Saturday night when there were several fights, a couple of shootings, and a bunch of arrests for narcotics. From my understanding, this group will not be allowed back.
It doesn't make things any better when the county is the most conservative in the state and probably has enough black residents that they can be counted on one hand...
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One year they had a 'Black Biker's Club' thing at the fairgrounds- saw some really interesting bikes around town. Unfortunately things went south on Saturday night when there were several fights, a couple of shootings, and a bunch of arrests for narcotics. From my understanding, this group will not be allowed back.
It doesn't make things any better when the county is the most conservative in the state and probably has enough black residents that they can be counted on one hand...
Myrtle Beach has two bike weeks. The first attracts a lot of the Harley crowd (dunno about 1%ers, but I assume those too). Second is Black Bike Week. The first usually just has your standard drunken 'tard masses and bar fights, the second one typically has that with the added spice of murder. I don't care for either "group" at all.
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OH NO!!!! THEY KILLED
KENNY BOOMHAUER THE ICON OF ANGER !!!!
[/kyle voice]
P.S. Now where are we going to source our killdozers from?
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OH NO!!!! THEY KILLED KENNY BOOMHAUER THE ICON OF ANGER !!!!
[/kyle voice]
P.S. Now where are we going to source our killdozers from?
Rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated by smartasses :P :lol: I thought I had finished that post
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/20/waco-shootout-guns-twin-peaks-restaurant#img-1
As many as 1,000 weapons were found at the Waco restaurant where nine bikers were killed during a mass fight between rival motorcycle gangs, police said on Wednesday.
Investigators recovered items ranging from pocket knives to an AK-47 rifle, Waco police spokesman Sergeant Patrick Swanton told the Guardian. Gang members rushed to get rid of their weapons, he said, as gunfire erupted and police moved in to the Twin Peaks restaurant in the south of the city last Sunday.
They were found “stuffed in toilets and hidden under seats”, he said. One firearm was discovered in a bag of tortilla chips, while a knife was located in a bag of flour. Brass knuckles, bats and chains were also unearthed.
A little different than the other article. Curious to see how this will shake out.
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Told you they came unarmed.
That's like the "arsenal" they confiscate from some poor gun owner.
stay safe.
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I believe it is this the weekend that the Mongols MC is "invading" http://www.elmshotelandspa.com/?WT.srch=1&WT.mc_id=PPC2P&DCSext.ppc_kw=elms+hotel+missouri&ppc_ac=Brand&ppc_ag=Brand+Exact&ppc_mt=exact&platform=c. The town folk are in some ways actually looking for the revenue that will be generated.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/21/feds-go-after-motorcycle-gang-members-by-claiming-rights-to-their-logo/
Another twist that has been ongoing. Not one of the groups involved over the weekend but if the DoJ gets to keep the rights it is a slippery slope as to what else can be "confiscated" that was previously trademarked.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/21/bikers-shown-fleeing-gunfire-guiding-others-to-safety-in-security-video-from/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/20/wife-biker-inmate-held-in-waco-after-deadly-brawl-says-some-are-innocent/?intcmp=latestnews&intcmp=latestnews
Wonder when the DA and Sherriff gets their hands slapped for overreaching with the arrests and bail set?
Police have said that all those arrested were part of criminal motorcycle gangs, but only five of the nine people killed had criminal histories in Texas, based on court records and a search of their names in a database maintained by the Texas Department of Public Safety.
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I doubt there will be much hand slapping. I think the over reach was planned. It will encourage a departure from the no snitching code
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Told you they came unarmed.
That's like the "arsenal" they confiscate from some poor gun owner.
stay safe.
Who told you that?
The article didn't say if most of the weapons came from the silverware and cookware set of the resturant or not. =D
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/21/bikers-shown-fleeing-gunfire-guiding-others-to-safety-in-security-video-from/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/20/wife-biker-inmate-held-in-waco-after-deadly-brawl-says-some-are-innocent/?intcmp=latestnews&intcmp=latestnews
Wonder when the DA and Sherriff gets their hands slapped for overreaching with the arrests and bail set?
They did say at least one biker can be seen firing a gun so it likely wasn't just cops shooting. Wonder if we will eventually see all the video ourselves.
I have no doubt most all those arrested had nothing to do with the violence. I figure police were arresting any biker close by just to be sure. If they don't want trouble, they probably need to start clearing and releasing those obvioiusly not involved. Probably should have already started.
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Oh no. Make em sweat and be more willing to say what they saw
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Who told you that?
The article didn't say if most of the weapons came from the silverware and cookware set of the resturant or not. =D
Sorry. Should have found the snark smiley.
stay safe.
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They did say at least one biker can be seen firing a gun so it likely wasn't just cops shooting. Wonder if we will eventually see all the video ourselves.
I have no doubt most all those arrested had nothing to do with the violence. I figure police were arresting any biker close by just to be sure. If they don't want trouble, they probably need to start clearing and releasing those obvioiusly not involved. Probably should have already started.
Given the likely purpose of this meeting it would make sense if everyone who was there, involved in the violence or not, would be held and charged.
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What was the purpose of the meeting?
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Even given my already stated strong dislike of criminal biker gangs, I don't like the way this is going.
The police chief seems completely incompetent, the Feds seem corrupt (duh), and it looks more and more like the place was set up to be a shooting gallery before the bikers even arrived.
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What was the purpose of the meeting?
There seems to be a strong possibility that the meeting was a front for the various criminal gangs to hash out territorial disputes and recruitment practices.
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Even given my already stated strong dislike of criminal biker gangs, I don't like the way this is going.
The police chief seems completely incompetent, the Feds seem corrupt (duh), and it looks more and more like the place was set up to be a shooting gallery before the bikers even arrived.
No kidding. The police tried to play it up to be a brawl, and it's looking more and more like most of the MCs did what normal people would do - duck and cover.
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Wonder when the DA and Sherriff gets their hands slapped for overreaching with the arrests and bail set?
I remember in the 1990's, a BMW riders club in NC had a ride for muscular dystrophy or some disease. In Franklin, NC, the cops harassed the whole bunch, seizing bikes and flying their copter overhead playing the theme from "COPS". The American Motorcycle Association had a fit.
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There seems to be a strong possibility that the meeting was a front for the various criminal gangs to hash out territorial disputes and recruitment practices.
I'm hearing it was a CoC meeting. Most of what they discuss at those has nothing to do territory or crime.
last one i attended, aside from the fight, was to discuss upcoming motorcycle legislation.
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Should get interesting as they trace the ditched weapons to their owners. Contact DNA is as bad as Rico .
If I read right the Cossacks were crashes to the party.
I suspect we are gonna separate the real bikers from the pretenders pretty quick. It's one thing to talk about brotherhood and "the code" while watching soa and another entirely when you are looking at a real charge. Not to mention losing your bike. And a huge bond. A lotta folks might be reluctant to testify even still. It's no joke messing with 1%ers. I can't say with certainty that I would not go temporarily blind if I had been there. But the cops are counting on with that many folks someone will start talking, and once you get one the floodgates will typically open. It's proven true even with real 1%ers.
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8 of 9 dead are Cossacks . 1 bandido.
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Waco-Shooting-Near-Twin-Peaks-In-Waco-304043711.html?device=tablet&c=y
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8 of 9 dead are Cossacks . 1 bandido.
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Waco-Shooting-Near-Twin-Peaks-In-Waco-304043711.html?device=tablet&c=y
Meanwhile Wednesday, Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton said investigators recovered about 300 weapons from the shooting scene including everything from pocket knives to assault-style knives to guns to chains to brass knuckles, to an AK-47 and body armor.
What is an "assault style knife"?
Is body armor now considered a weapon?
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Should get interesting as they trace the ditched weapons to their owners. Contact DNA is as bad as Rico .
If I read right the Cossacks were crashes to the party.
I suspect we are gonna separate the real bikers from the pretenders pretty quick. It's one thing to talk about brotherhood and "the code" while watching soa and another entirely when you are looking at a real charge. Not to mention losing your bike. And a huge bond. A lotta folks might be reluctant to testify even still. It's no joke messing with 1%ers. I can't say with certainty that I would not go temporarily blind if I had been there. But the cops are counting on with that many folks someone will start talking, and once you get one the floodgates will typically open. It's proven true even with real 1%ers.
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Issue being how many of the 170 arrested are 1%er's. I would bet that at least 25% of them are not a member of a 1% club. The Leathernecks for example are a Marine veteran based club. They are not a 1% club.
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What is an "assault style knife"?
It's got a blade thing that goes up.
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Also most of the killed were with head and/or torso shots. Curious to see if it was the snipers.
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Should get interesting as they trace the ditched weapons to their owners. Contact DNA is as bad as Rico .
Personally, if I was trying to dump a weapon in that, I'd probably chose a tub of soapy water first. Clears DNA good, then whatever's remaining would also have what was on the food/plates before it on it to muddy things up.
But it's sounding like they're recovering more 'weapons' than there were bikers. I wonder if any bikers were 'smart' enough to dump their colors? I put weapons in quotes because it sounds like they're even counting legal folding knives.
Also most of the killed were with head and/or torso shots. Curious to see if it was the snipers.
Headshots maybe, but torso shots could be pretty much anybody, especially with rifles.
Issue being how many of the 170 arrested are 1%er's. I would bet that at least 25% of them are not a member of a 1% club. The Leathernecks for example are a Marine veteran based club. They are not a 1% club.
Makes me glad they're separating them by club. Of course, given that my jacket as a big fat zero patches on it, they probably wouldn't have arrested me to start with.
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I wonder if any bikers were 'smart' enough to dump their colors?
Personally, I doubt it, especially the 1%ers. Their colors are pretty much their reason for living.
Makes me glad they're separating them by club. Of course, given that my jacket as a big fat zero patches on it, they probably wouldn't have arrested me to start with.
I wouldn't be too sure of that either. If you were a biker in that bar, you probably would have gotten swept up with the rest of them while the police sort things out later.
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Also most of the killed were with head and/or torso shots. Curious to see if it was the snipers.
No women or children were shot, so we can assume Lon Horiuchi wasn't involved at least.
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I wouldn't be too sure of that either. If you were a biker in that bar, you probably would have gotten swept up with the rest of them while the police sort things out later.
Other than my tendency to vacate quickly with that many gang members in the area, you're probably right. Hell, I ride a yamaha v-star, not one of the 'usual' gang member brands.
It'd probably get pretty boring pretty quickly for me - they wouldn't dare put me with anybody else. No tattoos to show allegiance, no patches. Retired USAF ID card.
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Issue being how many of the 170 arrested are 1%er's. I would bet that at least 25% of them are not a member of a 1% club. The Leathernecks for example are a Marine veteran based club. They are not a 1% club.
If one chooses to associate with a type of folk and chooses to wear their uniform it's quite likely other folks will make that association as well. That applies to a patch as much as it applies to baggy pants hanging low
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Also most of the killed were with head and/or torso shots. Curious to see if it was the snipers.
That was my thought as well one source is saying 4 were police kills
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Dumping your colors would be an offense in a mc
And soap and water is no panacea with DNA
http://www.leelofland.com/wordpress/things-writers-should-know-about-dna/
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Dumping your colors would be an offense in a mc
Would they prefer that or me in jail with a $1M bond and the possibility/probability of prison?
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Would they prefer that or me in jail with a $1M bond and the possibility/probability of prison?
You in jail. Hands down. You don't know any MC members IRL, do you?
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Hell, I ride a yamaha v-star, not one of the 'usual' gang member brands.
The upside is that you wouldn't be out an enormous amount of money when they RICO your bike. :police:
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Would they prefer that or me in jail with a $1M bond and the possibility/probability of prison?
Obviously you are not familiar with 1%ers. Their colors very are sacred to them.
When a 1%er is involved in an accident some of his fellow members will often show up at the hospital to collect his colors for safe keeping.
The thing that sets 1%ers apart from most other criminal groups is the structure and organization of those groups.
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You in jail. Hands down. You don't know any MC members IRL, do you?
Truth
http://sabotagetimes.com/life/hells-angels-outlaws-and-the-politics-of-the-patch
They would let you hump their wife before giving up patch
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Truth
http://sabotagetimes.com/life/hells-angels-outlaws-and-the-politics-of-the-patch
They would let you hump their wife before giving up patch
Not that that would be a great prize..........
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Local newspaper had a story suggesting a large number of the bikers were NOT involved in the fight, which was almost entirely in the parking lot.
http://www.statesman.com/news/news/state-regional/waco-restaurant-video-shows-bikers-others-seeking-/nmLCy/ (http://www.statesman.com/news/news/state-regional/waco-restaurant-video-shows-bikers-others-seeking-/nmLCy/)
If the bikers who were INSIDE the restaurant can be ID'd from the security footage and they STAYED inside, I suspect the police and DA are going to have a problem making any serious charges related to the dead/wounded bikers stick against them.
Hmmm . . . when mass arrests occur, and many of those arrested later have charges dropped . . . will there be false arrest lawsuits forthcoming?
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Would they prefer that or me in jail with a $1M bond and the possibility/probability of prison?
You in jail in a heartbeat. Jail isn't much of a deterrent to these type of folk.
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Assuming one gun per at least 100 folks ditched their guns. That woukd seem to indicate that they were afraid to be caught with them. I suspect they are counting guns found in cars and wonder how many there were like that
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What is an "assault style knife"? .......
The kind with a pointy end?? [popcorn]
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Assuming one gun per at least 100 folks ditched their guns. That woukd seem to indicate that they were afraid to be caught with them. I suspect they are counting guns found in cars and wonder how many there were like that
They have 100 guns seized? I haven't seen that yet. Granted you could find 100 guns by stopping 82 vehicles on 35, but I've yet to see a news report that 100 guns have been been collected. I've seen news reports that 100 "weapons" were found, and then number reduced to "50", and then news reports that "1,000 weapons" (about the amount that I'd expect to be in any large resturaunt at an Amish meeting), then reduced to "500", then "100" again, then "50".
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Found this
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article21513858.html
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When they throw out a number of "weapons" and list knives, brass knuckles, chains, and body armor (really?!?!) then you can be pretty sure that they didn't get many guns as they are trying to gin up the numbers.
If you arrest 170 people, and search them and their rides, then I wouldn't be surprised by anything they found.
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The ones that are real interesting are the ones they found hidden
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Personally I don't know what to believe.
More eyewitness accounts, video and timelines of events from un-invested third parties would offer some clarity.
I find it hard to believe the police weren't recording the whole incident from multiple angles.
High quality video recording devices are cheap cheap cheap.
The only weapons I care about are the ones brandished and used during the commission of a crime.
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What benefit do the cops get from showing you and me the video? I notice twin peaks is showing only some video
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They have 100 guns seized? I haven't seen that yet. Granted you could find 100 guns by stopping 82 vehicles on 35, but I've yet to see a news report that 100 guns have been been collected. I've seen news reports that 100 "weapons" were found, and then number reduced to "50", and then news reports that "1,000 weapons" (about the amount that I'd expect to be in any large resturaunt at an Amish meeting), then reduced to "500", then "100" again, then "50".
They are just trying to figure out the proper level of disinformation to put out, and failing miserably at it. The police and feds are probably still trying to get their storyline massaged perfectly before releasing any real info.
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What benefit do the cops get from showing you and me the video? I notice twin peaks is showing only some video
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I don't need to see the video (except to actually form an intelligent opinion about guilt on this) but I hope the judge and jury see a lot of video.
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Personally I don't know what to believe.
More eyewitness accounts, video and timelines of events from un-invested third parties would offer some clarity.
I find it hard to believe the police weren't recording the whole incident from multiple angles.
High quality video recording devices are cheap cheap cheap.
The only weapons I care about are the ones brandished and used during the commission of a crime.
The third party accounts I have seen corroborate the cop's story, of a violent brawl starting inside then spilling out with bikers shooting at each other. And unless they have since reversed it there were a bunch of folks stabbed as well. Did the cops do that too?
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The third party accounts I have seen corroborate the cop's story, of a violent brawl starting inside then spilling out with bikers shooting at each other. And unless they have since reversed it there were a bunch of folks stabbed as well. Did the cops do that too?
Whaaaaaatttt are you dare suggesting that opposing groups of hardened, violent thugs would go at each other at the drop of a hat like they have been known to do in the past? Surely that is not possible...
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Was this a bike night, or an actual COC&I meeting?
If the latter, I'm done with CVMA, because I've warned them before about participating (and the consequences)
ETA: Yeah, actual COC meeting.
Last one had a fight broke out too, i was there for that one.
If CVMA insists on attending these, I'm done. Don't need the association with this kind of activity. They would have been in Waco had it not conflicted with another event
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I don't need to see the video (except to actually form an intelligent opinion about guilt on this) but I hope the judge and jury see a lot of video.
Me too
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Was this a bike night, or an actual COC&I meeting?
If the latter, I'm done with CVMA, because I've warned them before about participating (and the consequences)
ETA: Yeah, actual COC meeting.
Last one had a fight broke out too, i was there for that one.
If CVMA insists on attending these, I'm done. Don't need the association with this kind of activity. They would have been in Waco had it not conflicted with another event
Fitz it was a CoC meeting.
We have them in Oklahoma once a quarter or every other month. As far as I know there may have been fights at these events but nothing like this. The next scheduled one for here in in July and it is in Tulsa. Too bad it happens to be on drill weekend or I would attend.
http://okcoc.com/ Link to Oklahoma's CoC page.
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When they throw out a number of "weapons" and list knives, brass knuckles, chains, and body armor (really?!?!) then you can be pretty sure that they didn't get many guns as they are trying to gin up the numbers.
If you arrest 170 people, and search them and their rides, then I wouldn't be surprised by anything they found.
It also wouldn't surprise me if they counted the standard armored motorcycle jacket as body armor, or something like this under a plain leather jacket:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F519mr2PBsWL._SX425_.jpg&hash=e52909c091ccf4c4af3c5f64e2f515c4824bb20a)
http://www.amazon.com/Fox-Racing-Deflector-Motocross-Motorcycle/dp/B005G6469Y
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Found this
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article21513858.html
Saw this quote in that article. I am curious what evidence is required to prove this? Guess it depends on the local jury.
The arrested bikers have all been charged with engaging in organized crime, and each is being held on $1 million bond. It is unclear how long they will remain in custody.
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The breakdown Wednesday evening was 118 handguns, 1 AK-47, 157 knives and 43 “others.”
Wonder if the AK was the one stuffed down a toilet, or if that was a bioweapon.
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Saw this quote in that article. I am curious what evidence is required to prove this? Guess it depends on the local jury.
Waiting for someone to get a big name attorney in there and start dropping motions.
How long can someone be held without an indictment in Texas. Got to imagine that before long some of those arrested would have an attorney all over this. Especially those that are guilty just by being there.
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Apparently at least one of those killed was not affiliated with any of the clubs, but an association member, 65 year old ex-marine, no record, etc.
From what i understand the club that instigated the fighting was not part of the CoC meeting, but showed up. Some kind of long running beef.
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My understanding as well. The cossacks showed up in force. Make me think even more given their casualties that they jumped and the cops settled them.
As to the associate killed there is an expression. " lay down with dogs you get fleas."
I had a 1%er move in next to me in 80. We had certain similar interests. A loose neighborly relationship developed in spite of my collection of riceburners. We actually bonded over our dogs more than anything. I did a couple of small favors for him and he was appreciative .I got a chance to see how the lifestyle could suck you in. I was fortunate that events conspired to end my association or mighta gotten in real deep. It was a big thrill to be 19 and a part of that group. I lacked at that age the discernment to see the dangers
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My understanding as well. The cossacks showed up in force. Make me think even more given their casualties that they jumped and the cops settled them.
As to the associate killed there is an expression. " lay down with dogs you get fleas."
I had a 1%er move in next to me in 80. We had certain similar interests. A loose neighborly relationship developed in spite of my collection of riceburners. We actually bonded over our dogs more than anything. I did a couple of small favors for him and he was appreciative .I got a chance to see how the lifestyle could suck you in. I was fortunate that events conspired to end my association or mighta gotten in real deep. It was a big thrill to be 19 and a part of that group. I lacked at that age the discernment to see the dangers
According to some folks i know who are well connected with the waco situation, most of the clubs there were not even the ones with beef.
I'm starting to think that this was an invasion by cossacks, that police were aware of / deliberately awaiting, and that a lot of people were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
But yeah, good reason to either A.) not go to a CoC meeting, or B.) as a CoC, stop having meetings in public open to everyone. Each club sends one rep.
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Clubs can be tricky. I would not put it past the bandidos to have set up the Cossacks and used the cops to do some of their trigger work. The machinations of the outlaw world are convoluted even by my standards
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ATF report on LE and military members of OMG. Interesting.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/22/atf-report-warned-military-government-membership-outlaw-motorcycle-gangs/
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The pagan killed in Delaware was,a marine
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And BACA is listed as one of the CoC member clubs. SERIOUS criminal organization
In many states, we're required to join the CoC to fly our colors. And yes, given what our colors represent, they ARE kinda sacred to us
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There was mention earlier of head and torso shots on the deceased. I thought someone (probably one of the links) was using that to suggest intent to kill bikers. Do any of you think that is true? With medical care theoretically close by, there are not many other parts of the body you can get shot where you will die quickly. Not to mention that most people are trained or taught to aim for center of body mass.
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Be interesting to see a diagram. If the cops were really set up head shots might be what they got if the bandidos were taking cover and shooting from behind cars. They were 8 of the 9 fatalities. Be interesting to see what the breakdown of the wounded's affiliations were
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Here's a version from a Cossack
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/richie-died-then-diesel-then-dog-an-eyewitness-to-the-waco-biker-brawl/2015/05/23/00db6436-1a8a-469b-9d6f-d2283234d281_story.html?tid=sm_fb
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http://www.ktrh.com/media/podcast-michael-berry-michaelberry/michael-berry-05262015-9am-26075458/ (There is a download link just above the player window.)
The Michael Berry radio show aired and interview this morning with David Devero with the Confederation of Clubs. I think he said he is from Washington State. It carried over to the next hour.
He was not a witness and he didn't provide any answers on that. The main thing he said that I agree with is that the police detained a lot of people that were no more than witnesses and set bail not to make sure they showed up for trial, but to keep them in jail.
Other than that, he spent a lot of time defending COC and avoiding making any comments on the internal COC politics between the bigger motorcycle groups. He avoided any comment on bad blood between Bandidos and Cossacks though he wasn't directly asked about that.
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My understanding is you pay 100 bucks a month to bandidos to wear patch on their turf. 100 chapters that adds up.
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I suspect they set bail to encourage the witnesses to talk. Otherwise it's " no one saw a thing"
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And BACA is listed as one of the CoC member clubs. SERIOUS criminal organization
In many states, we're required to join the CoC to fly our colors. And yes, given what our colors represent, they ARE kinda sacred to us
It's interesting that so many supposedly patriotic veterans will tolerate and even support organizations that dictate and enforces what even nonmembers are and aren't allowed to wear in public places.
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And BACA is listed as one of the CoC member clubs. SERIOUS criminal organization
In many states, we're required to join the CoC to fly our colors. And yes, given what our colors represent, they ARE kinda sacred to us
Does baca pay to fly colors? In any territory ?
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I've never heard of any chapter having to pay money to wear their patch. Then again, that "$100 to join CoC" could be a group thing...
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I've never heard of any chapter having to pay money to wear their patch. Then again, that "$100 to join CoC" could be a group thing...
I thought it was $100/month to wear the TX rocker, not just a patch.
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I thought it was $100/month to wear the TX rocker, not just a patch.
How much for a "Wherever the F___ I Am or Decide to Go" rocker?
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I thought it was $100/month to wear the TX rocker, not just a patch.
Yup. They only license you privilege to wear state . Nice cash cow for widows and orphans fund
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My understanding is you pay 100 bucks a month to bandidos to wear patch on their turf. 100 chapters that adds up.
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I used to ride occasionally with the Rule 62 club in Florida, it was mostly ex outlaw mc members who were in AA and turning their life around from their previous ways.
every member had to buy a patch "presidents council" from the Outlaw MC - it was only 5 bucks at the time - a one time payment
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A few bikers getting shot is sensational isn't it?
Meanwhile in Chicago...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/26/chicago-shootings-memorial-day_n_7445226.html
I'm guessing this isn't splattered all over the news because:
A: Chicago is run by libtards
B: Chicago is a model of gun control failure
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A few bikers getting shot is sensational isn't it?
Meanwhile in Chicago...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/26/chicago-shootings-memorial-day_n_7445226.html
I'm guessing this isn't splattered all over the news because:
A: Chicago is run by libtards
B: Chicago is a model of gun control failure
Yep, if this had been a weekend in Iraq when Bush was president the wailing, gnashing of teeth, and hand wringing would have been all of the 24 hour news cycle. Because it's Rahm and Chicago and democrats (plus it wasn't police shooting the poor innocent put-upons), it gets crickets.
#Blacklivesdon'tmatteriftheyareshootingeachother.
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Michael Berry does his Chicago Crime Report each Monday listing all the deaths in Chicago over the weekend. He usually does not have time to list all the shootings, just the deaths. There are 3rd world countries with fewer issues.
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As Baltimore records 9 homicides in three days, and 35 thus far in the merry month of May. http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-memorial-day-homicides-20150525-story.html#page=1 (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-memorial-day-homicides-20150525-story.html#page=1)
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Chicago and Baltimore would be just fine, if only the less enlightened parts of the country would have the same gun laws (and switchblade laws) as they do.
And, yes, someone should probably inform the criminal element that #blacklivesmatter