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Re: Inexpensive Furnaces
« Reply #50 on: October 05, 2009, 01:45:23 PM »
Big Brother can't allow you to accidently blow yourself up... :rolleyes: =|

I can't say I have a problem with that.  Depending on the density of the neighborhood, one person's gas explosion can be another person's (or several) house fire.  Now, if you live in the middle of an acre or more and won't need the FD to put your flaming wreckage out, by all means, do it without permits and inspections.  Don't forget to inform the person you sell the house to later on...

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Re: Inexpensive Furnaces
« Reply #51 on: October 05, 2009, 01:54:50 PM »
Dangit.

Oh, and the permit is going to cost $70.  :mad:

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Re: Inexpensive Furnaces
« Reply #52 on: October 05, 2009, 01:58:27 PM »
I could be wrong on this, but I think you might have issues if you do this without a permit and try to sell the house later.  Same goes for the inspection.

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Re: Inexpensive Furnaces
« Reply #53 on: October 05, 2009, 01:59:20 PM »
I could be wrong on this, but I think you might have issues if you do this without a permit and try to sell the house later.  Same goes for the inspection.

Chris

Do HVAC companies have to go through this process as well?

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Re: Inexpensive Furnaces
« Reply #54 on: October 05, 2009, 02:03:31 PM »
yes  its no big deal here. they make flexible gas lines that greatly ease the install
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Re: Inexpensive Furnaces
« Reply #55 on: October 05, 2009, 02:26:37 PM »
Do HVAC companies have to go through this process as well?

I suspect it's part of their normal stack of paperwork.  When I had my deck built, they got the permit and arranged for the inspection, but it was done.

yes  its no big deal here. they make flexible gas lines that greatly ease the install

That's what I used on my water heater and stove installs.  The stove had it originally, but the first WH was connected by hard pipe.

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Re: Inexpensive Furnaces
« Reply #56 on: October 05, 2009, 04:04:08 PM »
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Do HVAC companies have to go through this process as well?
But of course! Depends on the state and locals. I recently put an oil fired jobber in and when I called for an inspection the lady says, "You do?" I said, "Why, aren't I supposed to?" She says, "Yes but nobody ever does. We have lots of open permits here that have never been closed out."  :rolleyes:

The big deal comes along under two situations that I know of. One, you burn the house down and the insurance company will tell you too bad, no $ for you because you didn't pull a permit. Two, it will fudge up the deal when you try to sell. Bigger question is will the town let a homeowner pull a permit for a furnace replacement? Again, depends on state and local laws.

Think of the inspector as someone who's job it is to keep you from effing things up and cause a dangerous situation. be friendly and polite to them and it will go a looooong way for you. Give them an attitude and that will go a loooong way too, but not in a direction that is favorable to you. ;)

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Re: Inexpensive Furnaces
« Reply #57 on: October 05, 2009, 04:43:44 PM »
I was able to get a permit, as the homeowner.

I have 180 days to complete the work and get inspected.

280, I'm in Kansas.

Now I'm trying to figure out if I have to replace the single-wall flue that the current furnace is using with a double wall...

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« Reply #58 on: October 05, 2009, 04:58:07 PM »
Toto, I don't think I'm in Kansas or I'd come and give you a hand. Any way you can get a tornado to lift the house and drop it here in CT for a couple days?  =D

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« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2009, 11:51:40 PM »
My only plan to be that way this month is for a little lunch meeting in Leawood this Saturday. I wouldn't have time to stop by.

But if you get in trouble let me know. I might be able to get away for an evening.

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« Reply #60 on: October 11, 2009, 08:44:36 PM »
It's not a killer deal until it's up and running flawlessly.   :laugh:

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« Reply #61 on: October 11, 2009, 10:59:04 PM »
Good job Nick.

Since you've done you A/C and furnace your all set.
None too soon on the furnace. It is starting to get a little chilly in these parts.

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Re: Inexpensive Furnaces
« Reply #62 on: October 11, 2009, 11:06:20 PM »
Good job Nick.

Since you've done you A/C and furnace your all set.
None too soon on the furnace. It is starting to get a little chilly in these parts.

jim

Yup, thanks for the help!

I don't remember it getting this cold by this time last year... must be 'global warming'.  =D

The house was down to 50* today.  Mrs. Nick1911 was not amused.  =)

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« Reply #63 on: October 12, 2009, 07:17:10 AM »
Well good for you!!!  ;/

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Re: Inexpensive Furnaces
« Reply #64 on: October 12, 2009, 03:13:37 PM »
yes  its no big deal here. they make flexible gas lines that greatly ease the install

Yeah -- so-called Trax pipe.

Just keep in mind that the building code and the National Electric Code require that the stuff be bonded. The instructions tell you to bond it. What the instructions conveniently omit is that the way they tell you to bond it isn't recognized by the National Electric Code, for the simple reason that NOBODY makes a bonding nut for Trax pipe. Which means that approximately 90% of the Trax pipe installations all over the country are, technically, illegal. (There is a way to do it that meets code, but it costs $10 more so nobody wants to do that.)

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« Reply #65 on: October 12, 2009, 08:41:57 PM »
yes, I have decided to steer way clear of any trac pipe and it's derivatives. Very scary as far as I'm concerned.
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