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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: makattak on November 06, 2019, 08:30:48 AM
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https://www.wavy.com/news/politics/virginia-politics/democrats-promise-swift-action-after-historic-win-in-virginia/
Oh, look and what do Democrats do when they get power:
Democratic leaders said Virginians should expect a higher minimum wage, new gun restrictions and greater abortion rights after their party flipped control of the state House and Senate in Tuesday’s election. They also promised ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment, making Virginia the final state needed for possible passage of the gender equality measure.
Total Democrat party rule works so well in Illinois, err...California, err... New Jersey, err... New York....
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Welcome to the Ill-annoying Californicationing of Virginia.
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Yep, I'm really looking forward to this *expletive deleted*it show.
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One party in charge, regardless of party usually screws things up to the Nth degree. Special interests get what they want.
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From Commonwealth to People’s Democratic Republic. Glad I didn’t move up there when I had the chance.
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I'm not all doom and gloom yet. Survive two years and see. My state senator is gone, mostly harmless Dem in Va-25, now an independent idiot. Should make that seat competitive next time. Freitas write in campaign worked, so that's good. Small majority and an incompetent governor who's normal chain of succession is damaged goods.
The national news takeaway is zomg blue wave! No, the VA Republicans are like special Olympics kids trying to play a mean spirited Harlem Globetrotters. The Dems put forth a candidate in almost every district. Republicans spotted them a ton of uncontested races. The state needs national support like what is happening on the blue side. Overall more Republican votes than Dem, so the state is very much in play nationally. Oh, and can we give DC their land back? :)
Overall, I hope I can survive it. My family has pre revolution roots in this state. Not worried about gun laws. Worried about minimum wage, stupid energy policy, and unions. Those will make me leave the state because I can't maintain a passable existence while not complying with whatever gun laws.
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Well, I do hear that the Gov. is adding a new secretary level position...
Secretary of Blackface.. ;/
The Lieutenant Gov. lobbied for his own position, Secretary of Sexual Assault...
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https://www.theblaze.com/news/gov-ralph-northam-confirms-virginia-already-working-on-gun-confiscation-now-that-democrats-are-in-control
That didn't take long.
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https://www.theblaze.com/news/gov-ralph-northam-confirms-virginia-already-working-on-gun-confiscation-now-that-democrats-are-in-control
That didn't take long.
Say when. There is no mandate, a thin majority. Keep pushing moron.
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Do it for Beto!
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Where is the VCDL in all of this?
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Where is the VCDL in all of this?
The government used the membership roster for their first round of Red Flag raids.
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Ann Coulter was prescient:
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2017-11-15.html
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Ann Coulter was prescient:
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2017-11-15.html
Yep, simple situational awareness and math should convince conservatives, libertarians, Republicans and anyone not onboard with the progressive agenda that high immigration = permanent progressive/liberal/Democrat control.
Yet, most on the right live in a delusion and apparently find math too hard.
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When we lived there, the VCDL was strong and the state was a gun friendly one, certain cities excepted. I was an active member, went to most events and worked the VCDL table at MANY a gun show. Miss those guys and tried to join a group similar group here but none even close to that strong existed.
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:facepalm:
Citing ‘gun violence,’ UVA cancels 21-gun salute portion of Veterans Day ceremony
https://www.thecollegefix.com/citing-gun-violence-uva-cancels-21-gun-salute-portion-of-veterans-day-ceremony/
Triggered: University of Virginia Cancels Veterans Day 21-Gun Salute Because of ‘Gun Violence’
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/triggered-university-of-virginia-cancels-veterans-day-21-gun-salute-because-of-gun-violence/
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:facepalm:
Citing ‘gun violence,’ UVA cancels 21-gun salute portion of Veterans Day ceremony
https://www.thecollegefix.com/citing-gun-violence-uva-cancels-21-gun-salute-portion-of-veterans-day-ceremony/
Triggered: University of Virginia Cancels Veterans Day 21-Gun Salute Because of ‘Gun Violence’
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/triggered-university-of-virginia-cancels-veterans-day-21-gun-salute-because-of-gun-violence/
Rather appropriate, because the absolute leftist domination of higher education is part of why Virginia is screwed.
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:facepalm:
Citing ‘gun violence,’ UVA cancels 21-gun salute portion of Veterans Day ceremony
https://www.thecollegefix.com/citing-gun-violence-uva-cancels-21-gun-salute-portion-of-veterans-day-ceremony/
Triggered: University of Virginia Cancels Veterans Day 21-Gun Salute Because of ‘Gun Violence’
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/triggered-university-of-virginia-cancels-veterans-day-21-gun-salute-because-of-gun-violence/
The gun violence that's at historic lows? (Much lower, if we subtract suicides.)
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The gun violence that's at historic lows? (Much lower, if we subtract suicides.)
As you should be aware by now, facts take a back seat to teh feelz.
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While I think the UVA decision was wrong and stupid, at least they didn't mess with Memorial Day. I think some of the people taking great offense are conflating Veterans' Day and Memorial Day. Veterans' Day is for the living; Memorial Day is for the dead. (and there's also Armed Forces Day for those currently serving, but it doesn't get much recognition)
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Of course this gives them almost a year to reverse the reversal
About Face: University of Virginia Reinstates Veterans Day 21-Gun Salute Next Year
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/about-face-university-of-virginia-reinstates-veterans-day-21-gun-salute-next-year/
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One party in charge, regardless of party usually screws things up to the Nth degree. Special interests get what they want.
I’m totally agree with you on this. I hate out two party system and wish we had at least 3 so there would have to be some negotiation to gain a majority.
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*expletive deleted*ing out of here as soon as my kids are out of high school.
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I’m totally agree with you on this. I hate out two party system and wish we had at least 3 so there would have to be some negotiation to gain a majority.
How do you propose we replace our constitution?
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I’m totally agree with you on this. I hate out two party system and wish we had at least 3 so there would have to be some negotiation to gain a majority.
We urgently need a viable third party. The problem is, the process of getting enough people to build up a viable third party would result in the country having only one viable party, not three ... or even two.
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Trump is about the best you can expect.
This country is not very right wing, it's mostly varying shades of left.
Trump tricked a lot of folks and in many ways is governing as a paleocon.
The diversity and pervert crowd is the majority now. Many of them like the stability of living in conservative run places but their core philosophy cannot maintain that type of society.
A true right wing third party would quickly be marginalized as the Democrat and Republican leftists ruled in bi-partisan leftism without any restraint. Many Republicans would love to get rid of their right wing remnant.
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They are about to pass an AWB that is literally worse than Cali. No grandfather clauses. *expletive deleted*ing commie mother *expletive deleted*ers.
Don’t worry though once VA is fully *expletive deleted*ed over it’ll be another state next. *expletive deleted*ing liberal locust hordes...
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They are about to pass an AWB that is literally worse than Cali. No grandfather clauses. *expletive deleted*ing commie mother *expletive deleted*ers.
I seem to recall reading something about the British trying this a while back
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I have to say that VA is one of the last states I thought would go so anti. I haven't been there in a really long time though. Is this demographic the DC working commies who can't afford, or don't want to live in DC and Maryland, so they invaded VA?
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I have to say that VA is one of the last states I thought would go so anti. I haven't been there in a really long time though. Is this demographic the DC working commies who can't afford, or don't want to live in DC and Maryland, so they invaded VA?
Yes.
And also yes, they will go to the next state. Not leaving because of that, just kicking the can down the road.
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Trump is about the best you can expect.
This country is not very right wing, it's mostly varying shades of left.
Trump tricked a lot of folks and in many ways is governing as a paleocon.
The diversity and pervert crowd is the majority now. Many of them like the stability of living in conservative run places but their core philosophy cannot maintain that type of society.
A true right wing third party would quickly be marginalized as the Democrat and Republican leftists ruled in bi-partisan leftism without any restraint. Many Republicans would love to get rid of their right wing remnant.
You might consider seeing a doctor for that.
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You might consider seeing a doctor for that.
Dr. Paul has the cure 😁
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Several Virginia counties have declared themselves 2A sanctuaries, others are considering.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/as-counties-declare-themselves-sanctuaries-reports-reveal-virginia-misses-the-mark-on-guns/
http://www.wakg.com/2019/11/20/pittsylvania-county-now-a-2nd-amendment-sanctuary/
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Four magic words
I WILL NOT COMPLY.
You don't have to advertise it or go on the evening news.
Just don't.
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/1984-Big-Brother.jpg)
“Banks, credit card companies, and retailers have unique insight into the behavior and purchasing patterns that can help identify and prevent mass shootings,” Wexton explained in a statement. “The red flags are there—someone just needs to be paying attention.”
Virginia Democrat’s Bill Would Enlist Credit Card Companies in Monitoring Gun Purchases
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/democrats-bill-would-enlist-credit-card-companies-in-monitoring-gun-purchases/
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Here's the AW ban that's coming:
https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+sum+SB16
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"Assault firearm" means:
1. A semi-automatic center-fire rifle that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds;
2. A semi-automatic center-fire rifle that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the rifle; (iii) a thumbhole stock; (iv) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (v) a bayonet mount; (vi) a grenade launcher; (vii) a flare launcher; (viii) a silencer; (ix) a flash suppressor; (x) a muzzle brake; (xi) a muzzle compensator; (xii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting (a) a silencer, (b) a flash suppressor, (c) a muzzle brake, or (d) a muzzle compensator; or (xiii) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (xii);
3. A semi-automatic center-fire pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds;
4. A semi-automatic center-fire pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a thumbhole stock; (iii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iv) the capacity to accept a magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (v) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the pistol with the non-trigger hand without being burned; (vi) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; (vii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting (a) a silencer, (b) a flash suppressor, (c) a barrel extender, or (d) a forward handgrip; or (viii) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (vii);
5. A shotgun with a revolving cylinder that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material; or
6. A semi-automatic shotgun that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a thumbhole stock, (iii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the shotgun, (iv) the ability to accept a detachable magazine, (v) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of seven rounds, or (vi) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (v).
"Assault firearm" includes any part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert, modify, or otherwise alter a firearm into an assault firearm, or any combination of parts that may be readily assembled into an assault firearm. "Assault firearm" does not include (i) a firearm that has been rendered permanently inoperable, (ii) an antique firearm as defined in § 18.2-308.2:2, or (iii) a curio or relic as defined in § 18.2-308.2:2.
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I think maybe they don't know what "Curios and Relics" include.
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I think I'll take a few of my guns for a fun-filled day on Smith Mountain Lake...
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OK, if I'm reading that little piece of posturing bullshit correctly, my Browning High Power and my Beretta 81 are both OK, so I won't have to take them boating.
The AR that I used to have, but which was tragically lost in a boating accident, is a bad, evil gun because it has the thing that goes up, the magazine clip that holds many hyper turbo ungodly powerful bullet rounds has much too much freedom capacity, and there's an evil thing on it that can hold a stabby stabby, because as we all know drive by assault stabbings are a huge problem in Governor Blackface country.
Unfortunately, this is only the tip of the iceberg of how the Blackface OK! party is going to try, and likely succeed, to roll back positive gun laws in the Commonwealth that have absolutely no effect on crime.
They're already trying to do away with state preemption to allow localities to pass a mishmash of anti-gun laws in excess of what the state has adopted.
I've also heard rumblings that a wet dream they're going to try to get away with is elimination of shall issue status for handgun permits and going back to "I'm the Sheriff. I have to approve your application. If you "donate" $50,000 to my personal general fund, I'll give it to you. Don't have $50,000? You don't have rights, either."
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I think maybe they don't know what "Curios and Relics" include.
<Checks calendar, subtracts 50 years>
They pretty clearly don't.
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VCDL facebook page is frustrating. Most people are busy misreading the prefiled bills. The others are on sanctuary counties which is not helpful except as a message. Lobby day looks to be a big deal but VCDL is not interested in a visibly armed protest. I've been to one of those in Richmond. They want to play by the pre trump opposition party playbook, maybe they will like me if I am nice.
I don't know. In my state senate district a leftist signaling independent beat the mostly centrist Dem by one vote. Do i need to run for office? Not my thing really. A really screwed up district that includes a hugely rural area, but also Charlottesville.
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http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+SB64
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http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+SB64
Most of that is alreadly law, the strikes and italics are new. It is obviously a whatever we want it to mean law and already runs rough over Virginia's militia clause and the federal freedom of assembly. Looks like they want to specifically ban Charlottesville and people like me armed in front of the capitol. Or lock me up if I let my kid shoot at a humanoid shaped target.
My continuing hope is that as always their reach exceeds their grasp. The backlash ought to get new candidates out and running.
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No training for you!
http://www.captainsjournal.com/2019/11/27/virginia-senate-bill-no-64-declaring-tactical-training-illegal/
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No training for you!
http://www.captainsjournal.com/2019/11/27/virginia-senate-bill-no-64-declaring-tactical-training-illegal/
That part is already law and is in many states. Just more problematic now since it is a law open to widely varying interpretations.
I think we're going to have fun with this. The governor went so far as to say the election was a mandate on gun control. Kinda like that 1994 congress. No, that majority is a mandate on nothing.
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So I guess this type of license plate needs to be recalled.
(https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/azure/plates/images/plates/dtom.jpg)
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Right after they recall and apologize for this one
(https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/azure/plates/images/plates/mcav.jpg)
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2. Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or
How do they determine intent? With out much stretch that could be used to shut down any or all of the shooting sports.
It sounds like it's time to dust this old thing off and remind the elected in Virginia how the cow ate the cabbage.
https://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/ (https://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/)
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NYSRPA V NY
will decide a lot, if all goes well.
a lot of what is being reported is not law yet.
I'm betting that a lot of control freaks are realizing this latest scotus case is going to be bad and are
like drowning idiots thrashing at water ....
plus, no one will comply if passed, even if the scotus case goes sideways - even if the worse of the worse becomes law, eventually law enforcement gets tired of having to shoot friends and family to confiscate guns and accessories.
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Sadly...
I'm not too confident in a positive outcome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FUB8SrlQAE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FUB8SrlQAE)
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Slight tangent, but it's interesting to see that "sanctuary city" is suddenly "defying the law of the land".
Washington Post Opinions
@PostOpinions
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From the Editorial Board: The Virginia ‘gun sanctuary’ movement is a trend to defy duly enacted laws
https://twitter.com/PostOpinions?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1200768287212294144&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fbrettt-3136%2F2019%2F11%2F30%2Fwashington-post-calls-virginias-gun-sanctuary-movement-a-fad-and-mainly-symbolic%2F
The full story is behind a Washington Post paywall, but you get the gist of it from their Twitter page. Further tangent, their Twitter opinion page is concrete evidence against, "For the thousandth time, journalists don't take sides".
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLh5BdAGv6E
Suffolk, VA 2nd Amendment Sanctuary Gun Rights Speech
From the Mrgunsngear B Channel.
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https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/virginia-beach/vb-city-hall-reaches-capacity-as-crowds-ask-city-to-become-2nd-amendment-sanctuary/
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Further tangent, their Twitter opinion page is concrete evidence against, "For the thousandth time, journalists don't take sides".
The statement is correct.
Journalists (real journalists) don't take sides.
But are there any real journalists?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Diogenes_looking_for_a_man_-_attributed_to_JHW_Tischbein.jpg)
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Diogenes?
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Diogenes?
Yes. I believe he is searching for an honest man.
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Yes. I believe he is searching for an honest man.
Yer gonna need a bigger candle.
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Well, here's one way to respond:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/virgina-sheriff-vows-to-deputize-resident-in-response-to-expected-gun-control-legislation-from-state-democratic-lawmakers
A Virginia sheriff has vowed to deputize residents in his county if the new Democratic-led legislature enacts gun control measures.
Culpeper County Sheriff Scott Jenkins made the vow during a Board of Supervisors meeting last week in which the panel unanimously agreed to declare the county a Second Amendment Constitutional County.
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Virginia Democrats ratchet up the rhetoric, threaten to send in the National Guard if local police won't enforce gun control laws:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/the-law-is-the-law-virginia-democrats-float-prosecution-national-guard-deployment-if-police-dont-enforce-gun-control
[popcorn]
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I sort of hope the people showing up at these county hearings are people who woke up and realized they should have voted. Does anyone know about that?
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Virginia Democrats ratchet up the rhetoric, threaten to send in the National Guard if local police won't enforce gun control laws:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/the-law-is-the-law-virginia-democrats-float-prosecution-national-guard-deployment-if-police-dont-enforce-gun-control
[popcorn]
They think the Virginia National Guard will obey unlawful orders. Popcorn, indeed :)
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Virginia Democrats ratchet up the rhetoric, threaten to send in the National Guard if local police won't enforce gun control laws:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/the-law-is-the-law-virginia-democrats-float-prosecution-national-guard-deployment-if-police-dont-enforce-gun-control
[popcorn]
Just shows how little they know about either the law or the Constitution.
Can you imagine what might happen if they were to try door-to-door confiscations in some of the more... rural... counties in Virginia (i.e., hillbilly havens)?
More than one government agent left counties like Dickenson, Wythe, Franklin, or Floyd on stretchers during Prohibition.
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Just shows how little they know about either the law or the Constitution.
Can you imagine what might happen if they were to try door-to-door confiscations in some of the more... rural... counties in Virginia (i.e., hillbilly havens)?
More than one government agent left counties like Dickenson, Wythe, Franklin, or Floyd on stretchers during Prohibition.
My great-grandfather was a revenuer in Floyd County during prohibition.
Related to that, the ENTIRETY of his family left Virginia during prohibition and moved to Illinois. Death threats tend to inspire actions like that.
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Family has land in Franklin county, hasn't changed much.
This whole Guard thing is hilarious. I wasn't guard, but Navy and Reserve. But you don't call folks like us for stuff like this. I didn't take an oath to the Constitution 6 times so I could be some discredited governor's OrdPo. Would never work, so I hope Northam keeps pushing it.
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I sort of hope the people showing up at these county hearings are people who woke up and realized they should have voted. Does anyone know about that?
That would be good. CA got where it is because of all the "It'll never happen, get outa my face with that petition" so-called gun owners I used to run into at gun shows in the 80s.
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As a practical matter the issue with "the local police won't do it, call in the National Guard" is who, exactly, do you think is in the National Guard? The Venn Diagram of "folks willing to be part time state based soldiers" and "folks that work for the local government as first responders" is best described as a short oval.
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(https://i.imgur.com/f4bsNYl_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
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http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+HB67
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http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+HB67
I am laughing out loud here.
Seems the "Second Amendment Sanctuary" movement is scaring them.
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Friend of mine in Iowa has been following this. He was reading to me some article he found about "Constitutional scholars" being asked if using the National Guard to enforce a state law would be legal.
Apparently several of them said yes, it would be.
I need to ask him to send me a link to that article.
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Starting to look a lot like a real no win scenario in VA. The libtards can't back down and look weak and I'm afraid the citizenry doesn't have the guts to stand up to the politicians.
Gonna be an interesting year.
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Last night I was at a shindig with neighbors..... most of them raging leftists. They stated that if the law is passed, it must be followed as it IS THE LAW!
My reminder that sitting in the back of the bus was at one point a law that should be followed for exactly the same reason was not received well.
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Last night I was at a shindig with neighbors..... most of them raging leftists. They stated that if the law is passed, it must be followed as it IS THE LAW!
Just like with immigration right?
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This is the article that my friend in Iowa was talking about. I can't read it as stuff like this is blocked at my office...
https://www.theblaze.com/news/virginia-national-guard-responds-after-dem-threatens-to-use-soldiers-to-enforce-gun-control-agenda?utm_source=theblaze-dailyPM&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily-Newsletter__PM%202019-12-14&utm_term=TheBlaze%20Daily%20PM%20-%20last%20270%20days
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Maybe a pessimistic view but in the end the majority of Virginia gun owners will bow down to their masters in Richmond and the sheriffs and other county officials will default to their paychecks. The remaining few.that resist will be labeled as right wing extremists/terrorists by the leftist government and media. And finally the sheriffs that had previously sworn to defend their rights will shoot them down like dogs all the while shouting that they were just doing their job/following orders.
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Do the leftists really care about enforcement of all these laws? They haven't really cared about assault weapon bans and registration schemes in other states. Those have mostly failed if you go by compliance statistics.
Even if the local county sheriffs and prosecutors don't mess with anyone, they could send some state police around to shooting ranges. Even a few prosecutions by the state DA's office would make everyone change their behavior. Also, companies outside that state won't violate state law by shipping illegal firearms or magazines into the state.
The real question is if this "wave" of gun rights support will show up on the next election.
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IMO, if everyone had quietly non complied like they do in other states the statists would have patted themselves on the back and moved on.
The issue isn't the compliance or non-compliance, it's the vocal, public non compliance, especially of the enforcement apparatus. It's one thing to have a law that everyone ignores. We have a ton of those. It's quite another when the people you depend on to enforce your whims publicly say that they won't. That calls into question the absolute power of the state, and they can't let that pass.
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Do the leftists really care about enforcement of all these laws? They haven't really cared about assault weapon bans and registration schemes in other states. Those have mostly failed if you go by compliance statistics.
Even if the local county sheriffs and prosecutors don't mess with anyone, they could send some state police around to shooting ranges. Even a few prosecutions by the state DA's office would make everyone change their behavior. Also, companies outside that state won't violate state law by shipping illegal firearms or magazines into the state.
The real question is if this "wave" of gun rights support will show up on the next election.
Of course these laws have low rates of compliance at first... but they kill the gun culture in a state. An illegal AR-15 stuck in a closet doesn't help the gun culture at all.
Eventually, the left will be able to pass whatever laws they want, and no one will care because there aren't enough gun owners to make any difference.
They are boiling the frog. The goal is to have a population like that of the UK where Joe Blow will hyperventilate and call the cops if he find a bullet.
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Of course these laws have low rates of compliance at first... but they kill the gun culture in a state. An illegal AR-15 stuck in a closet doesn't help the gun culture at all.
This is my problem with non-compliance versus stopping or overturning the law. Obviously you can't always win, and I would "non-comply" if it came down to it. But then "they" still win, because I'm either hiding the guns or maybe sneaking them into BFE the desert to shoot them once in a while. They wouldn't see the gun range.
At least not unless there was a giant "non-compliance event", where 100 other guys show up with their illegal guns. If it's just me though, and an unsympathetic cop shows up, call me yellow, but I'm not up for being the example and doing pokey time or else losing all my money in legal fees. I've got the gun in a closet, but the antis still win because I mostly can't use it.
I'd rather fight via the voting booth and NRA-ILA, and maybe talk to all the so-called gun guys, who when you ask them to sign a petition or vote, give you the, "It'll never happen" line. Then become outraged after the votes are counted.
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I'd rather fight via the voting booth and NRA-ILA, and maybe talk to all the so-called gun guys, who when you ask them to sign a petition or vote, give you the, "It'll never happen" line. Then become outraged after the votes are counted.
The problem is that hasn't been working, we've been losing ground steadily. I also haven't heard a peep out of the NRA recently.
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The problem is that hasn't been working, we've been losing ground steadily. I also haven't heard a peep out of the NRA recently.
Oh, I agree, which is why I said I would "non-comply" if it came down to it because, Constitution. However, I would rather the laws either not make it through, or get overturned, so I don't have to sneak around exercising a right.
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I also haven't heard a peep out of the NRA recently.
They are too busy pissing away money and suing each other.
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They are too busy pissing away money and suing each other.
Yeah, they need to get their house in order/ Which IMHO, will only happen after Wayne steps down, but it seems ego is getting in the way of the NRA's charter.
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So there is a county forming a militia and coincidentally there us a law waiting in the wings that would make it illegal.
I've been pretty complacent with all the winning in the self defense community over the recent years.
This is a real wakeup call.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/virginia-activates-official-militia-after-gun-confiscation-threats-lawmakers-want-make
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I just realized bsl hasn't posted in this thread yet
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Maybe a pessimistic view but in the end the majority of Virginia gun owners will bow down to their masters in Richmond and the sheriffs and other county officials will default to their paychecks. The remaining few.that resist will be labeled as right wing extremists/terrorists by the leftist government and media. And finally the sheriffs that had previously sworn to defend their rights will shoot them down like dogs all the while shouting that they were just doing their job/following orders.
i feel same.
some key politicians/media/backers would have to be deposed in some kind of spectacular fashion by individuals, leading to mass arrest and crack downs
I'm hoping the deep state realizes how dangerous a lone wolf can be if backed into a corner and that NYRPA scotus prevails on our side allowing them to save face.
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So there is a county forming a militia and coincidentally there us a law waiting in the wings that would make it illegal.
I've been pretty complacent with all the winning in the self defense community over the recent years.
This is a real wakeup call.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/virginia-activates-official-militia-after-gun-confiscation-threats-lawmakers-want-make
ZeroHedge.
The militia law has been on the books for a long time and many states have on SB64 amended it to make it a crime to demonstrate or march while armed. Changed a few words in the existing statutes. Sure, they are crap laws and should not exist ever, but the howler monkeys of DOOM I TELL YOU! are not helping by screaming about going to the gun range or a class will be illegal. A lot of people on the virginia gun internet are showing their utter lack of reading ability.
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Always read proposed new laws with the worst possible interpretation and intent. Particularly those expressly designed to curtail personal liberties.
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ZeroHedge.
The militia law has been on the books for a long time and many states have on SB64 amended it to make it a crime to demonstrate or march while armed. Changed a few words in the existing statutes. Sure, they are crap laws and should not exist ever, but the howler monkeys of DOOM I TELL YOU! are not helping by screaming about going to the gun range or a class will be illegal. A lot of people on the virginia gun internet are showing their utter lack of reading ability.
In a sign of the times Zero Hedge has been more accurate these last three years than all the big media outfits. I agree you need to be careful sorting wheat from chaff.
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Yeah, they need to get their house in order/ Which IMHO, will only happen after Wayne steps down, but it seems ego is getting in the way of the NRA's charter.
The only way Wayne will leave is feet first.
And I am afraid he has stuffed the leadership with cronies just as crooked as he is.
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Any noise being made in Virginia is VCDL and the groups at the locality BOS meetings, many of which show up in VCDL stickers. NRA=crickets.
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The only way Wayne will leave is feet first.
And I am afraid he has stuffed the leadership with cronies just as crooked as he is.
Unfortunately Wayne has gotten to the point where he thinks he is the NRA and the NRA is Wayne in much the same way a King thinks he is the country/Kingdom whatever. He has stuffed the leadership as you say to the point where he may be right
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Wow. Over 100 towns, cities and counties have declared themselves 2nd Amendment sanctuaries. That's gotta be a record, no? A quick Gazoogle shows 95 counties in Virginia. I didn't search for a city count, but the numbers of "the resistance" (Ha!) seem to be heading towards a point where "will not comply" jurisdictions are greater than commie pinko jurisdictions.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-counties-cities-gun-sanctuary
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Wow. Over 100 towns, cities and counties have declared themselves 2nd Amendment sanctuaries. That's gotta be a record, no? A quick Gazoogle shows 95 counties in Virginia. I didn't search for a city count, but the numbers of "the resistance" (Ha!) seem to be heading towards a point where "will not comply" jurisdictions are greater than commie pinko jurisdictions.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-counties-cities-gun-sanctuary
Bad News Network said 90% of the counties in VA on Friday's show. That's probably half the population.
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I’ve got family up in VA and normally they don’t care about guns but they are pissed about this too
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I’ve got family up in VA and normally they don’t care about guns but they are pissed about this too
When you lead with confiscation, after years of "NO ONE wants to take your guns", you wake some people up.
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No one wants to take your guns we just want some "common sense" gun regulations.
No one wants to take your guns we just want some "common sense" gun regulations.
No one wants to take your guns we just want some "common sense" gun regulations.
No one wants to take your guns we just want some "common sense" gun regulations.
No one wants to take your guns we just want some "common sense" gun regulations.
Okay, now we're after your guns
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Was or is the plan to set up armed confrontations between normal gun owners and government agents?
Sure appears the Democrats want there to be violence.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/pVmVwr0Z/wacop.jpg)
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We survive this and it is like 1993 in national politics. Historic win, let's shoot ourselves in the foot by rankling the rednecks. First unified dem state government in 25 years. Now of course you could remind me that the 1994 Newt Gingrich Congress pissed away their chance, but to that I assure you that the VA red team is way dumber than that... ;/ This might be a high point for blue VA, remains to be seen if the other crew is worth a crap.
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/new-zealands-gun-buyback-was-a-total-flop-report-says
Yeah, confiscation's gonna work real well in VA.
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VCDL and GOA have combined forces:
https://gunowners.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/GOA-VCDL-Response-to-Herring-AO-December-26-2019.pdf
To a layman, this seems like a well-conceived refutation of the Virginia AG’s assertion that the 2A sanctuary resolutions lack any legal substance. Among other things, it points out his abject hypocrisy. [barf]
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/virginia-dems-pushing-gun-control-91-of-virginia-counties-tell-them-to-stick-it
Despite the efforts of Democrats in Virginia who have plans to interfere with the Second Amendment rights of the state’s citizens, on Monday night Fauquier County and Charles City County both voted to become “sanctuary counties,” bringing the total of “sanctuary counties” in Virginia to 87, representing 91% of the counties in Virginia.
It would be interesting to know what percentage of Virginia's population is in those 87 counties.
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/virginia-dems-pushing-gun-control-91-of-virginia-counties-tell-them-to-stick-it
It would be interesting to know what percentage of Virginia's population is in those 87 counties.
Or the inverse - what percentage of morons live in a couple of densely populated tiny geographic areas. We talk about metros like San Francisco and LA controlling CA, but given the number of rebelling counties, VA seems even (and surprisingly to me) worse off in that regard.
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https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/24/virginia-governor-northam-increases-corrections-budget-in-anticipation-of-jailing-gun-owners/
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The good (R)s are getting in on the act now. Bills still being pre-filed for the GA session. One Rino filed a bill to require training before a firearms purchase. A poll tax by any other name. He yanked it after getting torched. Another R has one filed to increase CCW training requirements. Meanwhile, I am probably staying out of Richmond on Lobby day. It is always on MLK day and VCDL always goes. I went to one. VCDL is pissing and moaning about how we dress, open carry of rifles etc. Meanwhile losing total control because apparently everyone is coming. Liable to be a shitshow billed as a racist rally.
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100% non-compliance with no violence would be the best first move imho.
The left wants things to go boogaloo.
They thrive on chaos. They never let a crises go to waste.
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VCDL is pissing and moaning about how we dress, open carry of rifles etc.
If they're moaning about what I think they're moaning about, I kinda have to agree with them. Like it or not, clean jeans and a polo shirt get you much farther on the PR front than does wearing battle rattle, or t-shirts with the sleeves ripped off and a mullet. As does a slung rifle vs an M4gory carried at low ready.
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Yes, but... The clean cut PR front has been done to death by them for years. And here we are. It has become a "my way of carry is fine, but the rest of you are weirdos. While a set of khakis and a polo shirt might go a long way we are at the point of stand for protecting all carry or none of it. All speech or none. Trying to be accepted by "them" got us Mitt Romney et. al.
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The Greta excuse?
Virginia school system implements landmark new policy allowing absences for student protests https://t.co/ujDyx9W3sH pic.twitter.com/Rg2BzyFBFi
— The Hill (@thehill) December 28, 2019
Virginia’s Fairfax County Public Schools has implemented a landmark policy allowing students to take time off to participate in protests.
Beginning Jan. 27, the school district will allow students in seventh through 12th grades one excused absence per year to participate in “civic engagement activities,” according to multiple news outlets.
Fairfax School Board member Ryan McElveen, who reportedly introduced the policy, said the rule may be the first of its kind in the U.S. and was made in response to a recent wave of student activism across the country.
‘Let’s see if that counts for 2A or pro-Trump’: Virginia school system to allow absences for student protests (will there be exceptions?)
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2019/12/28/lets-see-if-that-counts-for-2a-or-pro-trump-virginia-school-system-to-allow-absences-for-student-protests-will-there-be-exceptions/
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The Greta excuse?
‘Let’s see if that counts for 2A or pro-Trump’: Virginia school system to allow absences for student protests (will there be exceptions?)
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2019/12/28/lets-see-if-that-counts-for-2a-or-pro-trump-virginia-school-system-to-allow-absences-for-student-protests-will-there-be-exceptions/
Nobody gives a *expletive deleted*it about one absence. Attendance in school is important, but perfect attendance is highly overrated. A parent can take a kid out of school any time, and if they don't do it often nobody cares. It will be interesting whether the policy is only used for approved causes (First Amendment violation)
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I'm worried about Virginia. Seems like we've got a bunch of people on both sides itching for bloodshed. We've got a governor ready to institute confiscation, ready to call out the National Guard to enforce confiscation laws, and pretty much getting the cells ready for anyone who doesn't capitulate. On the other hand I"m seeing more and more folks on line spouting "It's the boogaloo! Load up!"
So I worry that some 20 something year old kid in the Guard is going to walk up to some house, pound on the door like he was told to do, and order the home owner to open up. Owner looks out, sees a soldier, complete with a plate carrier, and M4, and other soldiers with a Humvee in the street. So owner grabs his plate carrier, his M4gery, and sends a group chat to his buddies that the redcoats are at the door. Suddenly, a small group of Guardsmen at the house find themselves looking at a group of armed citizens. Nervous people on both sides. A lapse in trigger discipline, a car backfire, or one person on either side a little too eager to get a confirmed kill, and we've got a nightmare on our hands.
God, I hope not...
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National Guard isn't an issue. Big overlap between people that actually believe in 1776 America and the Guard. The issue is they will water it down, go for registration and everyone will calm down and say it's fine. Generational gun ban.
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It doesn't seem to be going away or getting any dimmer in some people's minds, esp the one who made it his pet project for re-election. More money for the jails in anticipation of arrests of gun scofflaws.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/report-virginia-increases-corrections-budget-in-preparation-for-arrests-of-gun-owners-police-officers/
bob
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My neighbors all know I'm in the Guard. Many likely own guns, too. So while I'm at the base loading pallets of MREs and drinking water, my house gets burned to the foundation. No thanks.
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My neighbors all know I'm in the Guard. Many likely own guns, too. So while I'm at the base loading pallets of MREs and drinking water, my house gets burned to the foundation. No thanks.
More likely you will start see political assassinations if the balloon really goes up. That's usually a bad thing but not always. (Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin would approve) And you may see SWAT teams getting ambushed while trying to arrest someone else. I think you and your house are pretty safe while you're on base. Go out on a goon squad and (no offense) you become a legitimate target.
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More likely you will start see political assassinations if the balloon really goes up. That's usually a bad thing but not always. (Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin would approve) And you may see SWAT teams getting ambushed while trying to arrest someone else. I think you and your house are pretty safe while you're on base. Go out on a goon squad and (no offense) you become a legitimate target.
I also think a "Second American Revolution" would involve massive amount of assassinations. I am thinking about what happened in the Iraqi civil war… people slaughtering collaborators, politicians, civil servants, police, lawyers, and anyone who works for the opposition. It would be horrific. This must be avoided.
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I also think a "Second American Revolution" would involve massive amount of assassinations. I am thinking about what happened in the Iraqi civil war… people slaughtering collaborators, politicians, civil servants, police, lawyers, and anyone who works for the opposition. It would be horrific. This must be avoided.
The irony is how justified the left would feel in engaging in such actions while decrying the "evil" of private gun ownership.
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The irony is how justified the left would feel in engaging in such actions while decrying the "evil" of private gun ownership.
The fact is, it is a lot easier to kill a local low level political party functionary than attack a tank. The Iraqis learned that very well, and Americans would learn it too.
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The fact is, it is a lot easier to kill a local low level political party functionary than attack a tank. The Iraqis learned that very well, and Americans would learn it too.
There are a great many that already know that lesson.
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I'm worried about Virginia. Seems like we've got a bunch of people on both sides itching for bloodshed. We've got a governor ready to institute confiscation, ready to call out the National Guard to enforce confiscation laws, and pretty much getting the cells ready for anyone who doesn't capitulate. On the other hand I"m seeing more and more folks on line spouting "It's the boogaloo! Load up!"
So I worry that some 20 something year old kid in the Guard is going to walk up to some house, pound on the door like he was told to do, and order the home owner to open up. Owner looks out, sees a soldier, complete with a plate carrier, and M4, and other soldiers with a Humvee in the street. So owner grabs his plate carrier, his M4gery, and sends a group chat to his buddies that the redcoats are at the door. Suddenly, a small group of Guardsmen at the house find themselves looking at a group of armed citizens. Nervous people on both sides. A lapse in trigger discipline, a car backfire, or one person on either side a little too eager to get a confirmed kill, and we've got a nightmare on our hands.
God, I hope not...
Beto Kennedy has assured us that won't happen.
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I'm worried about Virginia. Seems like we've got a bunch of people on both sides itching for bloodshed. We've got a governor ready to institute confiscation, ready to call out the National Guard to enforce confiscation laws, and pretty much getting the cells ready for anyone who doesn't capitulate. On the other hand I"m seeing more and more folks on line spouting "It's the boogaloo! Load up!"
So I worry that some 20 something year old kid in the Guard is going to walk up to some house, pound on the door like he was told to do, and order the home owner to open up. Owner looks out, sees a soldier, complete with a plate carrier, and M4, and other soldiers with a Humvee in the street. So owner grabs his plate carrier, his M4gery, and sends a group chat to his buddies that the redcoats are at the door. Suddenly, a small group of Guardsmen at the house find themselves looking at a group of armed citizens. Nervous people on both sides. A lapse in trigger discipline, a car backfire, or one person on either side a little too eager to get a confirmed kill, and we've got a nightmare on our hands.
God, I hope not...
Those that ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. Something very similar played out at Concord once upon a time.
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So I worry that some 20 something year old kid in the Guard is going to walk up to some house, pound on the door like he was told to do, and order the home owner to open up. Owner looks out, sees a soldier, complete with a plate carrier, and M4, and other soldiers with a Humvee in the street. So owner grabs his plate carrier, his M4gery, and sends a group chat to his buddies that the redcoats are at the door. Suddenly, a small group of Guardsmen at the house find themselves looking at a group of armed citizens. Nervous people on both sides. A lapse in trigger discipline, a car backfire, or one person on either side a little too eager to get a confirmed kill, and we've got a nightmare on our hands.
God, I hope not...
That 20 year old Guardsman did not order himself to do that, and the governor did not personally give him/her the order. The order came down through a chain of command of officers and NCOs, where I would hope somebody with some age and sense would tell the governor "No" (but in more colorful terms)
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I suspect (hope?) that if the Governor were to mobilize the Virginia contingent of the National Guard to pull this crap that Trump would nationalize the guard and order them to stand down.
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I suspect (hope?) that if the Governor were to mobilize the Virginia contingent of the National Guard to pull this crap that Trump would nationalize the guard and order them to stand down.
Does he have any advisers smart enough to remind him he can do that?
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Does he have any advisers smart enough to remind him he can do that?
And also - I don't know the mechanics of it - how easy is it for him to do? Any potential unintended consequences?
I ask this while at the same time liking the idea.
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Does he have any advisers smart enough to remind him he can do that?
Pretty sure he does .....
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I'm not certain the National Guard can be federalized without the states consent. It's a murky area of mixed funding and authority, and I'm not Guard, but I seem to recall some legal classes where they said the state had to sign off on the call up.
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I'm not certain the National Guard can be federalized without the states consent. It's a murky area of mixed funding and authority, and I'm not Guard, but I seem to recall some legal classes where they said the state had to sign off on the call up.
IIRC Eisenhower nationalized guard to protect schools and enforce desegregation 60 years ago .... I doubt he asked state pefmission...
If it turns out he needs permission .... I suppose Trump could order in the U. S. Army to stop the NG .... which would be quite interesting. I have NO IDEA if Trump would do this.
It presents a rather dark picture of what would be an ugly development, though .... =|
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I'm not certain the National Guard can be federalized without the states consent. It's a murky area of mixed funding and authority, and I'm not Guard, but I seem to recall some legal classes where they said the state had to sign off on the call up.
I think that changed in 2007, and yes he can. The John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007. That's from a quick search online and I haven't dug into it yet in much depth (like does Congress have to declare an emergency) but all 50 governors were pissed off about it.
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I'm not certain the National Guard can be federalized without the states consent. It's a murky area of mixed funding and authority, and I'm not Guard, but I seem to recall some legal classes where they said the state had to sign off on the call up.
I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think that's the case. There is at least one instance which is directly onpoint...
In 1957 Arkansas Governor Orville Faubus called up the Arkansas National Guard to prevent black students from enrolling in/attending Little Rock High School. In doing so Faubus was directly contradicting a Federal integration order.
President Eisenhower federalized the Guard, effectively removing them from Faubus' control, and ordered troops back to their armories and sent in units from the 101st Airborne Division to maintain civil order and protect the black students.
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I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think that's the case. There is at least one instance which is directly onpoint...
In 1957 Arkansas Governor Orville Faubus called up the Arkansas National Guard to prevent black students from enrolling in/attending Little Rock High School. In doing so Faubus was directly contradicting a Federal integration order.
President Eisenhower federalized the Guard, effectively removing them from Faubus' control, and ordered troops back to their armories and sent in units from the 101st Airborne Division to maintain civil order and protect the black students.
Eisenhower may have exceeded his authority when he did so. It still sets a precedent.
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Good synopsis, no boogaloo probable in near future.
https://forwardobserver.com/eyes-on-virginia-2020-heres-what-to-expect/?fbclid=IwAR1wCFz65pGjaexMoOJ9Gr9xl3Fj2rshO7QxzBtQn8ktAc8uBzcUIvc6ve8
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I suspect (hope?) that if the Governor were to mobilize the Virginia contingent of the National Guard to pull this crap that Trump would nationalize the guard and order them to stand down.
It has been done in the past and according to the Constitution, Congress has to provide for calling forth the militia. Does that law that was passed in 2007 constitute that provision? Does it still or did it sunset? Just curious.
Woody
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It has been done in the past and according to the Constitution, Congress has to provide for calling forth the militia. Does that law that was passed in 2007 constitute that provision? Does it still or did it sunset? Just curious.
Woody
The Constitution? Is that still a thing?
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The Constitution? Is that still a thing?
Obviously, things can be ignored by the government whenever convenient.
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Obviously, things can be ignored by the government whenever convenient.
I think you're right. Isn't that in the "Why Bother" clause? :old: Or is it in the "What the F*** For" clause? :facepalm:
Woody
"I swear to protect the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, but I am not trigger-happy. I am merely prepared and determined in its defense. It's a comfortable place to be. I don't suffer doubt." B.E.Wood
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The attacker draws his knife to attack . . . and gets shot by a passerby.
And shot again by another. And shot again by a third until the attacker is no longer a threat.
See, in West Virginia, concealed carry is a right within the confines of the state. It reflects the state motto: Montani Semper Liberi. Mountaineers are always free.
Welcome to West Virginia. It’s where America begins.
https://amgreatness.com/2019/12/01/a-tale-of-three-bridges/
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https://legiscan.com/VA/bill/HB567/2020
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https://legiscan.com/VA/bill/HB567/2020
That bill is designed to do one thing and one thing only... shut down the NRA Range. It's punitive. NRA needs to fight the hell out of that one.
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I think you're right. Isn't that in the "Why Bother" clause? :old: Or is it in the "What the F*** For" clause? :facepalm:
Woody
"I swear to protect the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, but I am not trigger-happy. I am merely prepared and determined in its defense. It's a comfortable place to be. I don't suffer doubt." B.E.Wood
I thought it might be the "What difference, at this point, does it make?" clause.
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If the dumb-o-crats in Virginia wanted to foment armed rebellion what do you think they could do differently?
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If the dumb-o-crats in Virginia wanted to foment armed rebellion what do you think they could do differently?
I recall when Obama mentioned creating some sort of peace corps type organization that was as powerful as the military. That might be one way.
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That bill is designed to do one thing and one thing only... shut down the NRA Range. It's punitive. NRA needs to fight the hell out of that one.
The fact that it'll produce a list of people who go shooting at the government owned ranges is a bonus.
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If the dumb-o-crats in Virginia wanted to foment armed rebellion what do you think they could do differently?
That is what they are counting on, a violent emotional response they can parlay into their propaganda narrative of disarming the public.
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I just don't think it'll work out like they think it will.
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Next thing you know they'll start requiring a valid current ID, which we all know is racist, to purchase a gun.
Oh wait.....
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Now one of the VA retards has introduced a bill to require VA’s electoral votes to follow the “popular vote”...just like CO.
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Now one of the VA retards has introduced a bill to require VA’s electoral votes to follow the “popular vote”...just like CO.
I hope stuff like this really drives the state red for a long time.
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Generally speaking, once a state goes blue, the transition is permanent.
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I hope stuff like this really drives the state red for a long time.
For a purple state, the dems certainly seem to be going full retard in a short time span. I'll give the dems credit in CA and other very blue states for incrementally going retard and slowly boiling conservatives in water before they went "Gavin Newsom".
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For a purple state, the dems certainly seem to be going full retard in a short time span. I'll give the dems credit in CA and other very blue states for incrementally going retard and slowly boiling conservatives in water before they went "Gavin Newsom".
The Dems seem to be convinced that the demographic shift is complete (in Virginia) and don't have to worry about challenges to their power ever again.
While I hope that is not the case, the pessimist in me sees that they have been fighting a long war to change the make up of this state (like the US as a whole) and have been winning. The Republicans, on the other hand, have been doing nothing but losing, especially in this state, because they refuse to fight.
I'm STILL angry about how they knee-capped Ken Cuccinelli, all because they didn't want some "So-con" to win the governorship. The Republican "elites" are more concerned about who gets to run the Republican party than they are about defeating the Democrats.
I really want to spit on most of the feckless party apparatchiks in the state.
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"The Dems seem to be convinced that the demographic shift is complete (in Virginia) and don't have to worry about challenges to their power ever again."
Not by the e-mails I'm getting from the state Democratic Committee. They're nervous as hell that Virginia is still seen as a battle ground state instead of being solidly anti-Trump. And they seem to recognize that they need to walk something of a fine line on the Free *expletive deleted*it policies that they're coming out with. A lot of them have been scaled back from what was originally proposed.
Remember, it was only in 1994/1995 that Virginia flipped from Blue to Red at the state level. Prior to that, the state had been pretty solidly blue since Reconstruction.
There had been Republican three consecutive Republican governors in the early 1970s, but the legislature stayed in the hands of the Democrats. Prior to Linwood Holton, who was elected in 1970, the previous Republican governor was Gilbert Walker... in 1869. And he was initially appointed by the US Army, but was later elected outright.
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It's way more in play than they want to admit. I think without Kaine on the D ticket that Trump narrowly flips the state next election. The real question is how does the state R party suck so bad? Mark Warner and Kaine are turds, yet here we are. We elect D child molestors at state level. Huge numbers of races are uncontested. The party seems to be very pre-trump rules. Screw it, Nick Freitas for president, seems one of the few bright spots.
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Warner was actually pretty damned good for Virginia gun owners when he was governor. He signed/supported some pretty favorable legislation. But, of course, once he got to Washington, his true stripes showed themselves.
And yes, Virginia's Republican Party apparatus is a *expletive deleted*ing nightmare. They didn't oppose what, 30% or so of the races this past November? In other words, they very meekly surrendered 30% of legislative seats to the Democrats without even as much as a fight.
That's a disgrace.
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(Blatantly usurped from cs&d's Faceplace post earlier this afternoon.)
Nope, we're not funding a squad of troopers to confiscate your guns. Instead, we're funding something far worse... a squad of bureaucrats to figure out ways to charge money and make even more of you paperwork felons.
https://www.virginiamercury.com/2020/01/07/no-virginia-the-governors-budget-doesnt-fund-an-18-officer-gun-confiscation-squad/?fbclid=IwAR25bNSQn9PIhof66KtPz449s-g19LU1o4L3Iz4FP_CLqbS5IWoCnZTXdCs
Brad
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I went to my county's special session sh-tshow tonight. 380 people in a county of 2100 is a big deal. 24-1 on speakers as in favor vs. opposed. Gotta give credit to the one person for saying their piece. Commonwealth attorney must have sucked a whole bag of lemons to hold that look for two hours. Board always has been a bunch to avoid getting pinned down on anything, their plan was to table the resolution for the next regular meeting. And....that's where the meeting got ugly. In the end they voted for it. They need to go just because they never have a spine on anything. Our county's one black guy talked well from the perspective of a rights restored felon who had observed that the urban extra-legal gun enthusiast will get guns no matter the laws. I tried to shape my remarks towards the board in that they should be very offended that the limited time of the General Assembly will be dominated by this issue and that they, the representatives of the state's smallest county, will get ignored even more than normal.
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https://legiscan.com/VA/bill/HB899/2020
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https://legiscan.com/VA/bill/HB899/2020
Laugh or cry? Some of that is hopelessly outdated, lifted from the 80's hysteria on soft armor penetrating handgun bullets. And the other part bans that M2 armor piercing that was tragically in my tackle box on that fateful day, M855, any combloc steel core garbage, Barnes X bullets, any other copper monoliths, enviro friendly lead free ammo, who knows what all it bans.
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https://legiscan.com/VA/bill/HB961/2020
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Laugh or cry? Some of that is hopelessly outdated, lifted from the 80's hysteria on soft armor penetrating handgun bullets. And the other part bans that M2 armor piercing that was tragically in my tackle box on that fateful day, M855, any combloc steel core garbage, Barnes X bullets, any other copper monoliths, enviro friendly lead free ammo, who knows what all it bans.
They saw in a Hollywood movie so it must be true. The feeling is settled.
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Generally speaking, once a state goes blue, the transition is permanent.
The democrats controlled my state for well over a hundred years.
No more, as of ten or so years ago.
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So laws don't go into effect until July 1. Session started this week. Lobby day with large gun rights attendance on 1/20. Hmmm, what to do? Rules committee bans all guns in the capitol building and associated offices. Previously GA members and CHL were permitted to carry. And they are probably going to try to pass a bunch of crap real quick like next monday.
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So laws don't go into effect until July 1. Session started this week. Lobby day with large gun rights attendance on 1/20. Hmmm, what to do? Rules committee bans all guns in the capitol building and associated offices. Previously GA members and CHL were permitted to carry. And they are probably going to try to pass a bunch of crap real quick like next monday.
What about antiques? Some Colt SAA's (probably too valuable to carry) and late 19th century S&W .38 revolvers are antiques even tho' they use a modern cartridge. And anything muzzleloading, like a Ruger Old Army.
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I've not been able to find any confirmation of this, but I saw a report saying that the Assault Weapons ban legislation has been shelved at least for the time being in Virginia.
Anyone know if that's true?
OK, I just found an article on WTOP (DC radio news station) saying, in one line at the absolute bottom of the article, that the assault weapons bill had been struck. https://wtop.com/virginia/2020/01/virginia-democrats-advance-gun-bills-in-senate/
But I don't understand... Governor Blackface, Lt. Gov. Accused Rapist, and Atty Gen. Blackface tell us that hundreds of thousands of Virginians are being slaughtered every second by white rednecks wielding assault weapons. Won't someone think of the children?
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And, the other shoe drops...
It's looking like the sponsor of the assault weapons ban that was withdrawn, Richard Saslaw, did so to make way for an even more draconian bill that's currently in the house. The difference? The house bill would make anyone possessing a magazine holding greater than 10 rounds a felon.
That's right, a *expletive deleted*ing felony.
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If you were a globalist leftist intent on provoking "bubba" to violence so you could justify disarming the public, what would you do differently?
Also ...
Large public demonstrations are a tactic of the left. The media will not put an accurate or positive spin on the right attempting to use the same tactics.
The risk of false flag or moron actions is high.
The capital is their terrain.
I hope I'm wrong.
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I saw an article yesterday about VA apparently restricting guns in state buildings and installing metal detectors. It showed lines of state employees waiting to go through the detectors, sometimes waiting 1-2 hours. That's gotta make VA taxpayers happy.
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I saw an article yesterday about VA apparently restricting guns in state buildings and installing metal detectors. It showed lines of state employees waiting to go through the detectors, sometimes waiting 1-2 hours. That's gotta make VA taxpayers happy.
Yep, just enacted. And, unlike most other laws that are passed by the legislature, it went into effect IMMEDIATELY.
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https://www.virginiamercury.com/blog-va/hour-plus-lines-ensnare-access-to-general-assembly-building-on-first-day-of-new-security-measures/
Read the last sentence in that.
It ensures a safe environment...
Because it Newark, New Jersey when legal guns were allowed in before, apparently.
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Sounds like VCDL and other pro 2A groups needs to start showing up in mass early enough to be first in line. Unarmed of course but prominently wearing pro 2nd Amendment message clothing. Give the legislature what they voted for good and hard.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/12/nra-30-round-mags-va-fight-against-northam-gun-ban/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
The NRA will be handing out 1,000 30-round magazines in the Virginia Capitol City of Richmond Monday as part of the fight against Gov. Ralph Northam’s (D) gun grab.
If any of you are close, might be a chance to get some of your NRA money back.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/12/nra-30-round-mags-va-fight-against-northam-gun-ban/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
If any of you are close, might be a chance to get some of your NRA money back.
They are provided by Magpul. Wayne already spent your money.
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Governor Northam declares a state of emergency to thwart pro-2A demonstration on the 20th:
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/virginia/northam-declares-state-of-emergency/65-e88451aa-ab3e-4de0-9e01-a1533a0b88e9
RICHMOND, Va. — Virginia Governor Ralph Northam declared a state of emergency Wednesday afternoon ahead of Monday's gun rights rally at the state Capitol.
He said there are credible threats of Charlottesville style violence that could repeat at the capitol grounds on Monday. He also said that credible intelligence reveals white extremist militia groups plan to enact violence during the rally.
Uh-huh ...
Potential threats include "weaponizing drones above the state Capitol" and "storming the Capitol grounds," Northam said Wednesday.
Riiiight ....
The Governor has prohibited all weapons, including firearms, from Capitol grounds.
Of course. Can't have those unwashed rednecks exercising their Constitutional rights, can we?
Gun rights supporters are planning to sweep into Richmond on Martin Luther King Day. Organizers from the Virginia Citizens Defense League are predicting as many as 130,000 armed protesters from across the country could rally in Capitol Square on Martin Luther King Day. But they insist they're trying to avoid the kind of deadly chaos that swept Charlottesville in the summer of 2017.
"This is just average gun owners and average Virginians coming out to support them," Stewart Rhodes, founder of far-right group Oath Keepers, said. "It has nothing to do with white nationalism."
Oath Keepers are far-right?
Of course, when no violence materializes, the governor will claim his state of emergency prevented it.
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Governor Northam declares a state of emergency to thwart pro-2A demonstration on the 20th:
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/virginia/northam-declares-state-of-emergency/65-e88451aa-ab3e-4de0-9e01-a1533a0b88e9
Uh-huh ...
Riiiight ....
Of course. Can't have those unwashed rednecks exercising their Constitutional rights, can we?
Oath Keepers are far-right?
Of course, when no violence materializes, the governor will claim his state of emergency prevented it.
Never let a crisis go to waste.
I have no doubt that the dems are capable of any manner of despicable act to advance their cause.
I hope I'm wrong but I've got a bad feeling about this situation.
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Oath Keepers are far-right?
Because you know, the constitution is a far right racist document written by old rich white men and we need to impeach Trump to protect it from Oath Keepers. Or something like that
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Northam's Twitter account is getting lit up:
https://twitter.com/GovernorVA/status/1217538459793010688
One of the comments: "Virginia Code 44-146.15 says you can't do that."
Can someone familiar with the Virginia Code elaborate?
ETA: https://law.onecle.com/virginia/military-and-emergency-laws/44-146.15.html
Nothing in this chapter is to be construed to:
...
(3) Empower the Governor, any political subdivision, or any other governmental authority to in any way limit the rights of the people to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by Article I, Section 13 of the Constitution of Virginia or the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, including the lawful possession, sale, or transfer of firearms except to the extent necessary to ensure public safety in any place or facility designated or used by the Governor, any political subdivision of the Commonwealth or any other governmental entity as an emergency shelter or for the purpose of sheltering persons;
Presumably Northam will claim that the "extent necessary to ensure public safety" justifies his emergency order.
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I just learned of the state of emergency sham. Utterly shameless.
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https://legiscan.com/VA/bill/HB569/2020
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If you wanted to create a combustible situation with a high likelihood of conflict what would you do differently?
VA needs right wing violence against the state to fully justify their coming actions.
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Here's another one of Helmer's bill...
https://legiscan.com/VA/bill/HB568/2020
I'm not exactly sure what I'm reading. Can anyone figure it out? It almost seems that it's saying that anyone in a moving vehicle, even a person with a CCW, has to secure the gun in a locked container.
In other words, you can't CCW in your car. Is that what this is saying?
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You know, we (gunowners and 2A supporters) often talk about what we will do and what will happen when the commie pinkos finally put that last straw on the camel's back that shows them who the majority are. VA may be a real world first run.
Not to mean shots fired, but pushback against the overreach. This may be a first run of, "I know i have a comfortable life and don't want to deal with the legal system, but this is worth it." It would be awesome to see 1000 people show up with holstered handguns and slung rifles. VA residents (including possibly law enforcement) may be just fired up enough to do it.
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Northam's Twitter account is getting lit up:
https://twitter.com/GovernorVA/status/1217538459793010688
One of the comments: "Virginia Code 44-146.15 says you can't do that."
Can someone familiar with the Virginia Code elaborate?
ETA: https://law.onecle.com/virginia/military-and-emergency-laws/44-146.15.html
Presumably Northam will claim that the "extent necessary to ensure public safety" justifies his emergency order.
The text CLEARLY states it can only be enacted within an emergency shelter. But, of course, the left will gleefully ignore any law standing in their way and then (as we have seen in this very instance) get really angry when the right starts to do that to their laws.
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I hope that West Virginia starts to push this type of thing more:
https://www.wvgazettemail.com/news/legislative_session/lawmakers-revive-invitation-for-virginia-county-to-join-west-virginia/article_ccfd5a5c-68d9-584f-b7ab-1ec62647d069.html
https://pluralist.com/west-virginia-invites-virginia-counties-secede-gun-laws/44433/
It would be very funny if "West Virginia" doubles in size as a result of this.
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The text CLEARLY states it can only be enacted within an emergency shelter. But, of course, the left will gleefully ignore any law standing in their way and then (as we have seen in this very instance) get really angry when the right starts to do that to their laws.
Has anyone heard of anyone trying to take the Gov to court over it?
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OK, just found this in a Richmond Times Dispatch article: https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/northam-declares-state-of-emergency-imposes-temporary-gun-ban-for/article_22db22fd-ad59-5a5c-ad78-0b1917ba8c4e.html
"VCDL President Philip Van Cleave said in an interview Wednesday that he has encouraged peaceful demonstrations by rally participants. At the same time, he said the group plans to challenge Northam’s decision, which he believes goes beyond the governor’s legal authority.
“We believe it is illegal what he is doing,” Van Cleave said. “At this point, we’re going to try to take the governor to court. So it may mean guns aren’t banned on Monday.”
“The rally is going on no matter what.”
And, nice...
"Northam added that he believed the VCDL “may have unleashed something much larger, something they may not be able to control.”
Van Cleave pushed back on Northam’s statement.
“Excuse me, the governor caused all of this stuff,” Van Cleave said. “This is on him, not on us. All of these people are stirred up because of what he is doing, trying to remove guns from law-abiding citizens.”
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There's a petition to have northam impeached: https://www.change.org/p/united-states-supreme-court-impeachment-of-virginia-governor-northam-for-infringing-on-2nd-amendment-rights (https://www.change.org/p/united-states-supreme-court-impeachment-of-virginia-governor-northam-for-infringing-on-2nd-amendment-rights)
I don't think that's how impeachment works, but it's interesting to see the number of signers climb . . . .
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I don't know why they picked MLK day, because many of the state workers and elected officials have it as a paid holiday.
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I don't know why they picked MLK day, because many of the state workers and elected officials have it as a paid holiday.
The state legislature works and traditionally its considered lobby day in the state, because many constituents have it off.
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The state legislature works and traditionally its considered lobby day in the state, because many constituents have it off.
Did not know that, our legiscritters are off work that day.
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Think it goes back to Virginia's contentious relationship with MLK day. For awhile the official state holiday was Lee Jackson King Day and not for Spike and Michael. But yeah, always on MLK day is lobby day. I have been to a gun rally there before, can't this time, two jobs.
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I hope right-leaning voters around the country remember this as we head into November. Do NOT fail to vote, or take a chance on voting Democrat! Don't let your state be the next domino!
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I hope right-leaning voters around the country remember this as we head into November. Do NOT fail to vote, or take a chance on voting Democrat! Don't let your state be the next domino!
QFT
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Whelp, a judge yesterday denied to overturn Northham's overreach, so VCDL is going to appeal.
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I'm going in for rotator cuff surgery Monday, should have some interesting news to wake up to.
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My fear is that someone a bit on the radical left side of things will be in the crowd and open fire to cause an incident. More laws that will make what they're proposing/passing now seem tame in comparison will thus be needed to prevent it from happening again.
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The event is ripe for a false flag incident.
The Democrats have seriously gone crazy.
Nothing is business as usual in the political realm anymore.
There are a lot of high stakes maneuvers taking place.
Just my random morning thoughts ...
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Matt Bracken offers his opinion
https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/01/richmond-the-mother-of-all-buffalo-jumps/?fbclid=IwAR3QCW6sUmZOZk5Vx4jZa89JjoaZtzTIqpxYhefWoBtduZIL_ZGTbJUjumg
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Things just got weird:
https://dailycaller.com/2020/01/16/antifa-group-march-pro-gun-protesters-virginia/
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Agent provocateurs?
Even if they have common cause with the pro-RKBA crowd, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near Antifa, given their track record.
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Agent provocateurs?
Even if they have common cause with the pro-RKBA crowd, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near Antifa, given their track record.
Anything they do will be Trump's fault
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Anything they do will be Trump's fault
True. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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We are witness to the systematic elimination of the right/conservative movement's ability to exercise their 1st Amendment rights to peaceably assemble.
We know damn good and well that any conservative assembly has a high probability of being "protested" and likely violently by the left. We've seen venues cancel conservative speakers because of "security threats". We saw in Charlottesville that the police, at the probably instructions of city government facilitated violent confrontations between opposing groups.
If the demonstrations go on in Richmond as planned I expect at least some violence. It will be telling to see how the police respond.
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We are witness to the systematic elimination of the right/conservative movement's ability to exercise their 1st Amendment rights to peaceably assemble.
We shouldn't be defeatist about this. Yes, there are awful things going on, but this isn't predetermined. It's not over.
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We shouldn't be defeatist about this. Yes, there are awful things going on, but this isn't predetermined. It's not over.
I'm actually hopeful that this will be a large enough peaceful protest that, coupled with all the local governments supporting them, it will possibly put the kibosh on the commies.
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I'm actually hopeful that this will be a large enough peaceful protest that, coupled with all the local governments supporting them, it will possibly put the kibosh on the commies.
The event is to be in Richmond. I doubt the local government is sympathetic to the VCDL cause.
I'm really hoping this will fizzle out but it has the makings of an epic shitshow.
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the ban on helmets and shields will limit antifa, is it illegal to wear a mask tho?
No one I know in NV is tracking this at all, its not on national news enough to grab the attention
of my coworkers, mostly conservative guys.
What I have seen is the dinosaur media is trying to turn this into Charlotetsville 2.0
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the ban on helmets and shields will limit antifa, is it illegal to wear a mask tho?
No one I know in NV is tracking this at all, its not on national news enough to grab the attention
of my coworkers, mostly conservative guys.
What I have seen is the dinosaur media is trying to turn this into Charlotetsville 2.0
The forecast says sunny, with a high of 40 degrees. Do you think they'll try to enforce a ban on masks?
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So the FBI is involved in this, and I don't know, it all sounds a little fishy.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-second-amendment-gun-rights-rally
https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-arrests-white-supremacist-group-links-ahead-virginia-pro-gun-rally
Maybe these guys are evil white supremacist criminals who were out to start trouble. Does that necessarily tie them to the protestors in VA? The charges appear, to say the least, vague:
The complaint charged Canadian national Patrik Jordan Mathews, 27, and Brian Mark Lemley Jr., 33, of Elkton, Md., with transporting a firearm and ammunition with intent to commit a felony. William Garfield Bilbrough IV, 19, of Denton, Md., was charged with “transporting and harboring aliens.”
I'm not sure what our laws are regarding non-citizens transporting firearms. It sounds like there was just a firearm in the car. Did they read their minds regarding "intent to commit a felony"? The other guy appears to have been arrested just for driving the car.
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It is pretty much expected that the gun free zone will be used to funnel the pro gun protesters into Antfia.
Take that for what it's worth.
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It is pretty much expected that the gun free zone will be used to funnel the pro gun protesters into Antfia.
Take that for what it's worth.
I still hate antifa, but it would be pleasantly interesting if this happened:
https://youtu.be/XT47PqawyNg?t=66
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il0KO9vpsBA
Mrgunsngear has done a couple updates for the rally on Monday. In this one, he put up a map showing where he was planning to meet up. I believe he said he had no intention of going into the "free speech zone" where he had to be disarmed.
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The forecast says sunny, with a high of 40 degrees. Do you think they'll try to enforce a ban on masks?
40 degrees is not cold.
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40 degrees is not cold.
Uh....
OK
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Uh....
OK
40 degrees is like hoodie sweatshirt weather, perfect.
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40 degrees is like hoodie sweatshirt weather, perfect.
OK, charby will be in charge of the dress code for Richmond, then. Is it OK to wear Realtree with plaid?
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40F, calm and clement weather is quite different than 40F, windy and inclement weather.
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40F, calm and clement weather is quite different than 40F, windy and inclement weather.
Ugh, yes. We had 40 deg with 30-40mph wind a couple of days ago. I'll take zero degrees and no wind over that any day of the week.
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OK, charby will be in charge of the dress code for Richmond, then. Is it OK to wear Realtree with plaid?
no deer skin with your coon skin cap.
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40F, calm and clement weather is quite different than 40F, windy and inclement weather.
true
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Man, this Bill Kristol guy has just totally lost it. I seem to remember him as pretty far right, but Trump really broke him. He still claims to be right/Republican, but then he said this in response to Trump's tweet supporting protestors in VA:
Our second amendment isn't under attack. Our state may well be under attack, though, if violent mobs succeed in assembling in Richmond Monday. A normal president would urge calm and offer assistance. But that is the way of a president, not of a demagogue. https://t.co/LXS4Mtlbja
— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) January 17, 2020
How the *expletive deleted*ck is the 2nd not under direct attack in VA?
EDIT: And by the way, when was the last time a president openly supported pro 2nd Amendment protestors? Even if they claimed to be pro 2nd, I don't recall the Bushes or Reagan giving encouragement to people fighting for their 2nd Amendment rights. Gotta give Trump kudos here.
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Man, this Bill Kristol guy has just totally lost it. I seem to remember him as pretty far right, but Trump really broke him. He still claims to be right/Republican, but then he said this in response to Trump's tweet supporting protestors in VA:
How the *expletive deleted*ck is the 2nd not under direct attack in VA?
EDIT: And by the way, when was the last time a president openly supported pro 2nd Amendment protestors? Even if they claimed to be pro 2nd, I don't recall the Bushes or Reagan giving encouragement to people fighting for their 2nd Amendment rights. Gotta give Trump kudos here.
First, 2nd, 4th, and parts of the 5th Amendments are all under attack here at the same time. (if they could figure out a way to attack the 3rd they probably would do that too) The 2nd is just drawing the attention. Nobody else seems to see that :/ I bet they are also violating the Virginia state constitution, but I have no direct knowledge of that.
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First, 2nd, 4th, and parts of the 5th Amendments are all under attack here at the same time. (if they could figure out a way to attack the 3rd they probably would do that too) The 2nd is just drawing the attention. Nobody else seems to see that :/ I bet they are also violating the Virginia state constitution, but I have no direct knowledge of that.
Here is your answer:
Section 7. Laws should not be suspended.
That all power of suspending laws, or the execution of laws, by any authority, without consent of the
representatives of the people, is injurious to their rights, and ought not to be exercised.
Section 13. Militia; standing armies; military subordinate to civil power.
That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and
safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that
standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should
be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.
Woody
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important - the fake news complex planning a fubar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDAD1CR5xdk
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We're getting a bunch of counties declaring themselves 2A sanctuaries here in Ky now. Sending a message and getting a head start just in case the craziness starts here I suppose.
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I never cared for using the leftist tactic of street demonstrations.
Hopefully my serious reservations about this event turn out to be unfounded.
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Man, this Bill Kristol guy has just totally lost it. I seem to remember him as pretty far right, but Trump really broke him. He still claims to be right/Republican, but then he said this in response to Trump's tweet supporting protestors in VA:
How the *expletive deleted*ck is the 2nd not under direct attack in VA?
EDIT: And by the way, when was the last time a president openly supported pro 2nd Amendment protestors? Even if they claimed to be pro 2nd, I don't recall the Bushes or Reagan giving encouragement to people fighting for their 2nd Amendment rights. Gotta give Trump kudos here.
I note that he assumes the 2nd amendment protesters will be violent mobs. Except there is no precedent for that assumption.
If Antifa was planning a protest, I wonder if he would say the same thing even though they have a well documented record of violence.
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I note that he assumes the 2nd amendment protesters will be violent mobs. Except there is no precedent for that assumption.
Just having opinions that aren't in total lockstep with the latest leftest craze is considered an act of violence nowadays
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I'm affiliated with a 2A group in Ohio which is having some members go to VA. They are reporting Intel that Antifa is going to be present. Seven bus loads, and have obtained clothing with the NRA logo on it. The alleged plan is that the Antifa types will blend into the protest and respond violently to any opposition to the 2A gathering. Then the 2A types will catch the blame. They are encouraging members to carry medical gear and do first aid on anyone injured.
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I'm affiliated with a 2A group in Ohio which is having some members go to VA. They are reporting Intel that Antifa is going to be present. Seven bus loads, and have obtained clothing with the NRA logo on it. The alleged plan is that the Antifa types will blend into the protest and respond violently to any opposition to the 2A gathering. Then the 2A types will catch the blame. They are encouraging members to carry medical gear and do first aid on anyone injured.
I came here to post this same warning
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VA state senator Amanda Chase warns that VCDL and other pro-2A groups are being set up:
https://www.facebook.com/Chase4Senate/posts/2840596102672514
I know nothing about her. Any VA residents care to comment?
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Tomorrow we shall see if there is a big enough fan in Virginia to handle all the *expletive deleted*it headed its way.
Woody
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https://youtu.be/6wBp2VusRhE
Hate to reduce this to a random movie quote, but I think it's accurate.
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Surely we won't let Antifa or the Left decide whether or not we can assemble.
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Surely we won't let Antifa or the Left decide whether or not we can assemble.
This choice of location is for all intents and purposes enemy territory.
Marching into a fenced off holding pen while voluntarily being disarmed to demonstrate how free you are isn't very inspiring.
It's playing on the enemies playing field by the enemies rules emulating the enemies tactics. It works for them because they own the state and media.
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Surely we won't let Antifa or the Left decide whether or not we can assemble.
How can you say "we" if you are not going to be at the demonstration?
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I'm expecting images showing Nazi flags and hearing interviews with White Nationalists.
That's the best case scenario with no violence.
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I hope I'm just being overly pessimistic but I don't think the leftists will leave such a thing to chance, too good of an opportunity to strengthen their narrative, never let a crisis go to waste.
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When I was in VA and in the VCDL, I went to Lobby Day several years. They do it regularly with hundreds, if not more, showing up to support them and to lobby their representatives. In my time there, there was NEVER a single incidence of any kind of issue and MOST of us were armed, either openly or concealed, all HAND guns, no long guns. We were peaceful, respectful and calm.
This is me being interviewed by the local TV
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My gun is in the blue bag slung across my chest :old:
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This isn't a lobby day.
This is an event with potential national repurcussions that the of the eye of Sauron is singularly focused upon.
There are people with competing agendas from all across the country showing up for the party.
The fact the Dems are pressing forward so hard despite the pushback tells me they have game planned this out.
Meanwhile our side appears to be walking into a well crafted lose/lose debacle.
Hopefully, I also am too cynical and pessimistic and things actually go well.
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How can you say "we" if you are not going to be at the demonstration?
I find it interesting that you go out of your way to dissociate yourself with the obvious 2A struggle in VA that will have national implications. Think it can't happen in merry olde Iowa?
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This isn't a lobby day.
This is an event with potential national repurcussions that the of the eye of Sauron is singularly focused upon.
There are people with competing agendas from all across the country showing up for the party.
The fact the Dems are pressing forward so hard despite the pushback tells me they have game planned this out.
Meanwhile our side appears to be walking into a well crafted lose/lose debacle.
Hopefully, I also am too cynical and pessimistic and things actually go well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_lN7H1bFKY
Mrgunsngear has some footage of the fencing and area.
A few different people I heard online some were not planning to go into the "free speech zone" where they had to be disarmed. I guess we will see how many show up.
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How can you say "we" if you are not going to be at the demonstration?
Who told you I wasn't going?
"We" meaning pro-Americans, as opposed to the Left. If they have the heckler's veto in Richmond, they may have it elsewhere.
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https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/vcdl-lobby-day-rally-crowd-size-will-be-limited-but-authorities-arent-saying-by-how-much/
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/virginia-governor-starts-labeling-veterans-domestic-terror-threat-ahead-of-2a-rally/
Virginia VCDL Lobby Day Eve UPDATE
https://youtu.be/uiIDX02cMZQ
The Virginia State Capitol Grounds Fortifications; What Visitors Can Expect
https://youtu.be/N_lN7H1bFKY
A lot to unpack...
I believe some of her information is wrong concerning where guns are allowed and not allowed although I trust this govt. as much as I trust Hillery/Gas Station Sushi.
She is doing a good job of shooing conservatives away from the event. Who would THAT benefit?
She is dissuading people from coming as they *supposedly* won't be able to park/leave the area.
She is saying there is only one exit from the protest area when there is one ENTRANCE, with many metal detectors but MULTIPLE EXITS.
There was more but my head hurts from all this BS. and I'm done for a bit.
https://www.facebook.com/Censorship.is.Communism/videos/654863415052929/UzpfSTEwMDAwNTMyMDM2MTY0MTpWSzoyNzE5MzQ1ODgxNDkzNjkx/
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I find it interesting that you go out of your way to dissociate yourself with the obvious 2A struggle in VA that will have national implications. Think it can't happen in merry olde Iowa?
We means we/I are going to be physically in the demonstration in Richmond, VA. Anything else is arch chair quarterbacking.
Yes, it could happen in merry olde Iowa, difference between me and the other lasses, I would show up in Des Moines. Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt. Why Iowa has one of the best carry laws.
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Who told you I wasn't going?
"We" meaning pro-Americans, as opposed to the Left. If they have the heckler's veto in Richmond, they may have it elsewhere.
Post a pic of you tomorrow in Richmond, otherwise piss off.
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Well, that escalated quickly...
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Interesting quote in the article Herohog posted:
The Richmond-based Antifa Seven Hills is joining the Second Amendment supporter groups in support of gun rights.
“I think it’s been pretty important for us to focus on the fact that gun control in America has a legacy of racist enforcement,” said Seven Hills spokesperson James in speaking to Vice, while asking that his last name be withheld. “Like taking guns away from black people, because black people were perceived as a threat to property and the sanctity of the state.”
He continued, “I think what’s particular about the South is that we have to be a bit more creative and sensitive to the people around us—instead of fulfilling some sort of meme of what antifa is,” James said. “That’s really what we’re trying to work against right now, especially by talking to conservatives and showing we aren’t just a black-clad group of rabble-rousers who are out for attention and have jobs funded by George Soros.”
Probably pretty optimistic, but how hilarious would it be to watch MSNBC and CNN report on a crown of NRA members, Antifa, and Black Panthers all standing next to each other agreeing on gun rights?
The commies generally should FOADIAF, but if they show up to protest the laws (as they SHOULD because they will be targeted as well) it would behoove everyone to just try and get along for a day.
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Well, that escalated quickly...
And on such a silly choice of words.
Really? We're going to hang our hats on that?
And Fistful's right.
What's happening in Virginia to us (OMG, can I say we/us even though I'm not going to lobby day, but I DO live in Virginia?) CAN happen elsewhere in the blink of a goddamned eye.
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And on such a silly choice of words.
Really? We're going to hang our hats on that?
And Fistful's right.
What's happening in Virginia to us (OMG, can I say we/us even though I'm not going to lobby day, but I DO live in Virginia?) CAN happen elsewhere in the blink of a goddamned eye.
The enemy has figured out a playbook that works every time and will use it in every state they can now.
If your state is a prime destination for them to move to, expect it to come to your state sooner or later. It worked in Colorado, it’s going to work in Virginia, and I fully expect North Carolina to be next.
And not only are they screwing you locally but now their new favorite tactic is to throw the states electoral votes to Democrats with the “we will make our electoral votes follow the popular vote”.
When they do that to a few more states and lock down the presidential office to go Dem forever, we will all be firmly *expletive deleted*ed.
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And not only are they screwing you locally but now their new favorite tactic is to throw the states electoral votes to Democrats with the “we will make our electoral votes follow the popular vote”.
When they do that to a few more states and lock down the presidential office to go Dem forever, we will all be firmly *expletive deleted*ed.
Yup. I forget which ones, but read in the last couple of months several more states signed on to that bullshit. Crap like that is why though I'm generally not in favor of copying the dirty tricks of the commies, I would be fine if we impeach the next dem president on day one just because our guy lost. You want to destroy the structure of our country? Bring it on, jackasses.
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Y'all a bunch of Nazi meanies
VA is in a state of emergency because white supremacists and nazi’s are using their 2nd amendment rights to shutdown the 1st amendment rights of students, veterans, and clergy.
Tweet out a video with your support for laws that protect kids, not guns with.#IStandWithVirginia pic.twitter.com/wPiRSVDGZu
— David Hogg text VOTE to 954-954 (@davidhogg111) January 19, 2020
Who's trying to shut who down????
God he makes my head hurt
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Who's trying to shut who down????
God he makes my head hurt
It won't hurt if you ignore him.
Semi-related: Grayson County sheriff takes a stand:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/01/20/sheriff-of-grayson-county-va-throws-wrench-in-lawmakers-unconstitutional-plans-if-the-bills-go-through-as-proposed-they-will-not-be-enforced-video/
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So.......
It's like half past noon on the east coast.
Bugaloo?
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^^^ Hopefully this means it's been a nothingburger in terms of violence.
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So.......
It's like half past noon on the east coast.
Bugaloo?
No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow.
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I wonder if it may have been a good idea for the VCDL to make a statement to media that the rally is over, and all their people have gone home. At White Lives Don't Matter rallies, the violence tended to happen after dark.
For clarity, I made no plans to travel from Missouri to attend the event. I'm glad we didn't all stay away, though. =)
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So.......
It's like half past noon on the east coast.
Bugaloo?
Shhhh, don't jinx us 😎
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So far, so good. I still wish people wouldn't wear battle rattle to these things though.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-capitol-gun-rights-rally
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What percentage of attendees are LEO or friends and family of LEO? What percentage are current and former military or f&f of soldiers?
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Nothing must be happening, story is buried on CNN's website. Took me awhile to find anything on there about it even occurring.
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So far, so good. I still wish people wouldn't wear battle rattle...
No doubt.
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So far, so good. I still wish people wouldn't wear battle rattle to these things though.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-capitol-gun-rights-rally
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This looks familiar ...
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No doubt.
And the problem is, I was looking at other images and video, and from what I saw, 95% of the crowd was NOT "in gear". Most of what I saw was people in everyday clothes - lots of Carhartt and whatnot, and most unarmed. However I saw the MSM highlighting those few that were in tacticool gear as the majority. I think it was CNN that showed a "large group" in tacticool gear walking down a street, which in reality was likely no more than a couple dozen people out of thousands. The comments to that were 90% derogatory of the participants as if everyone at the rally were white militia.
I don't want to be telling others how to dress, but by now we should know how the media twists this stuff. Why give them ammo?
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https://www.nbc12.com/2020/01/20/thousands-ascend-virginia-capitol-gun-rights-rally-everything-you-need-know-live-updates/
As of about 1:40 p.m., Capitol Square has cleared out and no arrests have been made at this point in time by Capitol Police.
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Now to see what the fallout is from the day's activities. Unlikely that Northam will back down. Hopefully the pressure can be maintained though.
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I don't want to be telling others how to dress, but by now we should know how the media twists this stuff. Why give them ammo?
The MSM has a rather disturbing habit of producing their own ammo out of thin air when none is provided
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I just returned from this event and obviously intact.
I have been to a huge number of demos like this as a police officer, and I found the crowd to be quite polite.
There were a a fairly large number of Gecko 45 types, which doesn't create good optics and will be all that are seen in the media. Saw some guy carrying a Barrett which is a bit much. The AK type rifle with affixed bayonet probably would be of limited value.
What I saw huge numbers of were average people being polite and decent. At one point, an ambulance needed to move through the crowd, and it was a splitting of the seas like I have never seen at groupings of different ilk.
The garbage/trash situation was typical for conservatives, but the VCDL stickers had poor adhesive, so a lot of them fell off clothing and stuck to the street. That will become a talking point.
I discussed with some people I was with about flipping over a police car, setting it on fire, shooting heroin in plain view, and dropping a present on the sidewalk so as to create a Portland/Seattle like false flag!
Good event with a huge turnout. Sadly the focus will be on the Rambos. That there was no troubles will be a tribute to Governor Northam's life saving measures of banning all kinds of activities.
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Did Antifa show up?
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I just returned from this event and obviously intact.
I have been to a huge number of demos like this as a police officer, and I found the crowd to be quite polite.
There were a a fairly large number of Gecko 45 types, which doesn't create good optics and will be all that are seen in the media. Saw some guy carrying a Barrett which is a bit much. The AK type rifle with affixed bayonet probably would be of limited value.
What I saw huge numbers of were average people being polite and decent. At one point, an ambulance needed to move through the crowd, and it was a splitting of the seas like I have never seen at groupings of different ilk.
The garbage/trash situation was typical for conservatives, but the VCDL stickers had poor adhesive, so a lot of them fell off clothing and stuck to the street. That will become a talking point.
I discussed with some people I was with about flipping over a police car, setting it on fire, shooting heroin in plain view, and dropping a present on the sidewalk so as to create a Portland/Seattle like false flag!
Good event with a huge turnout. Sadly the focus will be on the Rambos. That there was no troubles will be a tribute to Governor Northam's life saving measures of banning all kinds of activities.
Were most of the people outside the fenced in area?
Nevermind. fistful's link shows it.
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Looks like there was at least one attempt to instigate violence (other than Northam's shenanigans):
https://www.dailywire.com/news/get-the-f-out-infiltrator-pushes-violence-at-2a-rally-in-va-rally-attendees-shut-it-down
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I don't want to be telling others how to dress, but by now we should know how the media twists this stuff. Why give them ammo?
I felt like that, too.
But now I'm fine with it. These people want to dress up and feel tacticool? Go for it. Cosplay can be fun, so enjoy yourselves.
These people are completely harmless. I think we should highlight the fact that our "crazies" are the people who dress up like soldiers and heavily arm themselves... and do absolutely nothing illegal.
I'd be willing to place a large wager that furries have a higher incidence of criminality than "our" crazies.
Let's start embracing them. They look scary, but are actually less dangerous than a brony!
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We means we/I are going to be physically in the demonstration in Richmond, VA. Anything else is arch chair quarterbacking.
Yes, it could happen in merry olde Iowa, difference between me and the other lasses, I would show up in Des Moines. Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt. Why Iowa has one of the best carry laws.
If it helps you, I have attended gun rights events/demonstrations in the midwest. With the other lasses.
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Thanks for the onsite SITREP Castle Key!
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I just saw a link to a story on the book of feces where 2A supporters were going around after the event with garbage bags and cleaning up any debris left behind.
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I felt like that, too.
But now I'm fine with it. These people want to dress up and feel tacticool? Go for it. Cosplay can be fun, so enjoy yourselves.
Speaking of which ...
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/01/20/area-expert-tom-nichols-forced-to-shift-his-goalposts-after-richmond-gun-rights-rally-fails-to-result-in-the-bloodshed-he-was-hoping-for/
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Who wants to bet that after all of the build up, there won't be any significant press coverage of the event, because there was no blood spilled, no arrests made, no shots fired. I mean, everyone was looking for some wacko to open fire at this event. Sounds like no one even spit on the sidewalk. Given how the press likes it's own angle, this will get buried.
That said, good on all attendees for making it a non story.
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I just saw a link to a story on the book of feces where 2A supporters were going around after the event with garbage bags and cleaning up any debris left behind.
CNN: White Nationalist Nazi 2A Trump supporters deny city workers much needed work to help feed their families
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https://babylonbee.com/news/media-offers-thoughts-and-prayers-that-someone-would-start-some-violence-at-gun-rights-rally
Reporters expressed their grief and condolences as the violence they hyped has so far failed to materialize.
"Nobody has so much as fired a shot. This is an unbelievable tragedy," said one teary-eyed MSNBC reporter, clearly caught up in the anguish of the moment. "It's tragic that we live in a country where reporters who are just minding their own business trying to push a narrative can have everything ripped away from them in an instant when protesters refuse to shoot at people."
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I'm beyond pleased that my concerns were unfounded! Bravo!
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How much you wanna bet she thinks Gadsden Flag = confederate flag?
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/01/20/aoc-flabbergasted-by-almost-no-police-officers-at-va-gun-rights-rally-in-the-face-of-all-the-people-flying-confederate-flags-with-semiautomatic-weapons-video/
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How much you wanna bet she thinks Gadsden Flag = confederate flag?
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/01/20/aoc-flabbergasted-by-almost-no-police-officers-at-va-gun-rights-rally-in-the-face-of-all-the-people-flying-confederate-flags-with-semiautomatic-weapons-video/
They weren't red with the hammer and sickle is all she knows
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She's also suggesting the Confederate flag indicates some intention of breaking the law, which hasn't been true since before her grandparents were born.
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Somebody brought a guillotine :O =D (not a usable one)
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(stolen from another forum)
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I saw NOT ONE Confederate flag.
Saw a few flags of the Army of Northern Virginia, but only a very few. There were lots of Gadsden flags, including one using a rainbow flag, a few "Appeal to Heaven" flags, many Gonzales flags, and a huge number of US flags. I saw a Virginia flag that was modified to show Governor Northam as the guy under foot.
There were many signs of various ilk, including those showing state of origin for the group. A really interesting sign stated that "Gun Rights are Gay Rights." A couple people I was with, who probably aren't too fond of gay rights, appreciated that sentiment, as they felt individual rights were paramount and that sign appealed to their proper libertarian values.
Overall, I found a pretty diverse group nicely united for a common reason.
My day was made complete by spending time with some friends who are some of the biggest advocates of gun rights.... people that the anti gunners would loathe... two lovely ladies, attractive, intelligent, and articulate, and with overwhelming passion and knowledge about the destructive power of guns. Their father was murdered by a crazed gunman. They understand that the crazed part is the only thing that mattered.... the tool didn't matter. But their views should be dismissed, because what do they know?
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Take away from the NBC network news (my kid needs to watch it each night for one of his classes)...
1. It was peaceful.
2. lots of people stayed outside of "the fence" so they could stay armed
3. Lots of people in full kit (video edit based on Castle Key's report)
4. All that the government in VA is seeking to do is "common sense gun legislation, including better background checks and registering owners." My favorite was the woman who said "no one is coming to take your guns" when we all know of the discussion of activating the National Guard to do just that.
My read...they wanted violence, got none. They are portraying gun owners as wanna be soldiers complete with full kit. And, registration is now a part of "common sense." I've started seeing that in a lot of online comments to articles about all of this. "Registration isn't confiscation. It's just so we know who has them (assault weapons) and where they are."
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For the MSM
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I saw this on facebook. Can anyone confirm if this was actually there? Or is it just a meme joke?
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4. All that the government in VA is seeking to do is "common sense gun legislation, including better background checks and registering owners." My favorite was the woman who said "no one is coming to take your guns" when we all know of the discussion of activating the National Guard to do just that.
The NPCs are all over Facebook repeating the same *expletive deleted*it of “Neonazis and ammosexuals don’t want common sense gun legislation”
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https://twitter.com/PhilsEaglesND/status/1219312061831897090?s=09
African-American man with Trump flag in Richmond:
“I am Gov. Ralph Northam and I am in blackface today.”
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The NPCs are all over Facebook repeating the same *expletive deleted*it of “Neonazis and ammosexuals don’t want common sense gun legislation”
If we're ammosexuals, why aren't Democrats celebrating us?
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It's reported that one woman was arrested at the event, for refusing to remove the mask over her face.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/narrative-fail-minorities-lgbt-community-women-show-up-in-force-at-pro-gun-rally
I still find it odd, as NWS shows the temperatures as being in the low-to-mid 30s, with windchill in the 20s. You'd think cops in a southern city wouldn't try to stop people from covering up.
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https://genesiustimes.com/breaking-23-killed-at-virginia-white-supremacist-gun-rights-protest-dozens-injured/
Babylon Bee has some competition.
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https://genesiustimes.com/breaking-23-killed-at-virginia-white-supremacist-gun-rights-protest-dozens-injured/
Babylon Bee has some competition.
From the same site :rofl:
Deceased Iranian General Soleimani surges into 4th place in Democratic primary race
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https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1219304073452716038/video/1
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It's reported that one woman was arrested at the event, for refusing to remove the mask over her face.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/narrative-fail-minorities-lgbt-community-women-show-up-in-force-at-pro-gun-rally
I still find it odd, as NWS shows the temperatures as being in the low-to-mid 30s, with windchill in the 20s. You'd think cops in a southern city wouldn't try to stop people from covering up.
Wearing a mask is illegal? WTF is that about?
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Wearing a mask is illegal? WTF is that about?
A law put on the books due to Ku Klux Klan, IIRC.
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Wearing a mask is illegal? WTF is that about?
Several states have one. I'm thinking AR or AL used it when antifa came to town. I'm pretty sure someone here posted video at the time.
I can understand what I think is your concern from he freedom side, but much like with cops who hide their faces, I think people looking to do something to me should buck up and show themselves.
In this case, it appears the majority of "mask wearers" were wearing neck gators for the cold as there appears to have been wind and wind chill going on. I saw the cops were doing the same thing.
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https://genesiustimes.com/breaking-23-killed-at-virginia-white-supremacist-gun-rights-protest-dozens-injured/
Babylon Bee has some competition.
Another from that site:
https://genesiustimes.com/virginia-dems-send-in-beto-orourke-to-confiscate-guns-in-2nd-amendment-sanctuaries/
RICHMOND, VA— Democratic lawmakers on Capitol Hill say local police who do not enforce gun control measures likely to pass in Virginia will have to face a flappy-armed Robert “Beto” O’Rourke.
In a statement, Democratic Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam has announced that fervent anti-gun activist and former presidential candidate O’Rourke will personally go house to house and confiscate illegal weapons with his flailing arms.
“We are pleased to announce that our good friend ‘Beto’ will be single-handedly confiscating all the illegal firearms possessed by the the gun owners throughout the state,” Northam said.
Democratic Virginia Rep. Boog Allue suggested cutting off state funds to counties that do not comply with any gun control measures that pass in Richmond.
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It's reported that one woman was arrested at the event, for refusing to remove the mask over her face.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/narrative-fail-minorities-lgbt-community-women-show-up-in-force-at-pro-gun-rally
I still find it odd, as NWS shows the temperatures as being in the low-to-mid 30s, with windchill in the 20s. You'd think cops in a southern city wouldn't try to stop people from covering up.
From what I hear, she was with antifa... still doesn't make it right to arrest her if she was protesting peacefully, but there may be more to the story.
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Well after such a strong pro-gun rights rally, I sure hope Virginia Democrats learned something from this..............oh.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/20/gov-ralph-northam-suggests-he-saved-virginia-from-a-volatile-situation/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Northam tweeted, “We are all thankful that today passed without incident. The teams successfully de-escalated what could have been a volatile situation.”
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http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+sum+HB1627
SUMMARY AS INTRODUCED:
Threats and harassment of certain officials and property; venue. Provides that certain crimes relating to threats and harassment may be prosecuted in the City of Richmond if the victim is the Governor, Governor-elect, Lieutenant Governor, Lieutenant Governor-elect, Attorney General, or Attorney General-elect, a member or employee of the General Assembly, a justice of the Supreme Court of Virginia, or a judge of the Court of Appeals of Virginia. In addition, threats to damage property may be prosecuted in the City of Richmond if the property is owned by the Commonwealth and located in the Capitol District.
I see a major problem with regard to First Amendment freedoms. Also might violate the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment, since the bill as written only protects certain government officials.
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Looks like the first step in reviving the Alien & Sedition Laws.
Next it will be made a crime to disagree with your liberal, supposedly betters.
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Looks like the first step in reviving the Alien & Sedition Laws.
Next it will be made a crime to disagree with your liberal, supposedly betters.
They refer to that as Hate Speech now and that falls under Hate Crimes
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Looks like the first step in reviving the Alien & Sedition Laws.
Next it will be made a crime to disagree with your liberal, supposedly betters.
In their minds it already is.
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In their minds it already is.
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I know there was a ton of that stuff that the left came up with during Obama. I don't know why the mainstream Rs aren't digging more of that up to use. That image would have been perfect for one of the House hearings. Or for Trump to tweet.
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In their minds it already is.
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Stealing that.
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I weaponize it every time I see a #resistance retard pop up on my Facebook
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I weaponize it every time I see a #resistance retard pop up on my Facebook
Do you get the "But that was different!" line?
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Nah usually I get blocked lol
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I weaponize it every time I see a #resistance retard pop up on my Facebook
I used it twice already today.
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Secession redux?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/west-virginia-counties-gun-control
GOP House member Gary Howell, chairman of the Committee on Government Organization, told Fox News that 43 out of 100 West Virginia House members are sponsoring a resolution that would let West Virginia accept some of the largely rural Virginia counties unhappy with how things are being run in Richmond.
"It probably originally started as a way just to give them moral support, but it has been snowballing and we have been receiving all kinds of information from people and a lot of questions asking, 'How do we do this?' 'What do we need to do?'" Howell said. "It's turned fairly serious that some of these counties actually wanna leave, join the state of West Virginia, and we'd like to welcome them in."
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While land has changed hands between states many times through U.S. history, it is exceedingly rare that it happens on the scale Howell is proposing and often only after arbitration or a ruling from the Supreme Court.
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The text of the resolution requires any Virginia jurisdictions wanting to join West Virginia to have their citizens vote on the proposal before Aug. 1. West Virginia voters would then have the option to accept those areas in a statewide referendum during the general election in November.
A better solution would be to throw the anti-gun politicians out of office in VA. How many are up for reelection in November?
I'm certain that the Virginia state gov't would sue to block the move. I'm not sure what the grounds would be. Violation of state sovereignty?
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Secession redux?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/west-virginia-counties-gun-control
A better solution would be to throw the anti-gun politicians out of office in VA. How many are up for reelection in November?
Is it possible via a popular vote? How many commies have moved into specific areas of VA? Another reason for states to have their own Electoral College. Especially telling in VA, where nearly every county has gone to 2nd Amend sanctuary status. There have to be one or two very concentrated commie pinko voting blocks geographically speaking, for this crap to have started in the first place.
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More problems in the state:
SJ 6 – Increases the term limit of the governor from 4 to 8 years.
SJ 8 – Allows Felons and those declared mentally incompetent to vote
SJ 14 – Restores voting rights to convicted felons
SJ 29 – The governor to be elected by majority of votes in congressional districts, not by statewide majority.
SB 65 – Eliminates photo ID requirements for voting
SB 399 – Virginia’s electoral college votes to be awarded to the winner of the national popular vote.
The biggest problem is that once this crap becomes law, it's harder to get rid of it.
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My biggest hope for an outcome for this "national popular vote" bullshit is that it will be challenged in court, work it's way up to the Supreme Court, and be declared unconstitutional because it essentially nullifies the electoral college.
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My biggest hope for an outcome for this "national popular vote" bullshit is that it will be challenged in court, work it's way up to the Supreme Court, and be declared unconstitutional because it essentially nullifies the electoral college.
I don't expect it to happen, but I'd like to see Trump get the pop vote so the electoral votes from the far left states go to him. Imagine the wailing.
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I don't expect it to happen, but I'd like to see Trump get the pop vote so the electoral votes from the far left states go to him. Imagine the wailing.
Oh, that would be so sweet... But yeah, I don't see that ever happening.
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I don't expect it to happen, but I'd like to see Trump get the pop vote so the electoral votes from the far left states go to him. Imagine the wailing.
=D =D =D That would be great!
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Oh, that would be so sweet... But yeah, I don't see that ever happening.
Don't say never.
TDS is kind of what happened in Wisconsin back in 2010-2011 writ large.
When we got a GOP governor with GOP majorities in both houses of the Legislature, they started on a program of fiscal responsibility. And the Left/Teacher's and .gov Unions went nuts. They refused minimal concessions that still left them sitting pretty as compared to the private sector, to balance the budget.
So the WI GOP, getting no cooperation went and just busted all teachers and .gov unions in WI with Act 10. The WI Left then went turd-throwing-monkey nuts. They went on a full court press to recall the governor and several legislators. Strident leftists were seen in every retail parking lot approaching people to sign recall petitions. Families had fights and even a few marriages were split over it. Much like Trump's win in 2016. There was a chanting and a drum circle protest that ran in shifts inside the WI capitol rotunda for years.
Long and short of it, they made the WI Right dig in and get determined, and more importantly, they alienated the entire WI political middle. And the Governor won the recall election with more votes than he'd gotten in the general. And the GOP held onto the Legislature too.
I also see little signs that some of the American Left at the Federal level is getting a sinking feeling that all their efforts to oppose and remove Trump might actually create a backlash. Stuff like Adam Schiff already making excuses for Trump winning the 2020 election for instance...
https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/22/adam-schiff-is-already-claiming-the-illegitimacy-of-a-trump-reelection/
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I'll say never when Los Angeles County his more voters in it than what, something like 26 states?
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Don't say never.
TDS is kind of what happened in Wisconsin back in 2010-2011 writ large.
When we got a GOP governor with GOP majorities in both houses of the Legislature, they started on a program of fiscal responsibility. And the Left/Teacher's and .gov Unions went nuts. They refused minimal concessions that still left them sitting pretty as compared to the private sector, to balance the budget.
So the WI GOP, getting no cooperation went and just busted all teachers and .gov unions in WI with Act 10. The WI Left then went turd-throwing-monkey nuts. They went on a full court press to recall the governor and several legislators. Strident leftists were seen in every retail parking lot approaching people to sign recall petitions. Families had fights and even a few marriages were split over it. Much like Trump's win in 2016. There was a chanting and a drum circle protest that ran in shifts inside the WI capitol rotunda for years.
Long and short of it, they made the WI Right dig in and get determined, and more importantly, they alienated the entire WI political middle. And the Governor won the recall election with more votes than he'd gotten in the general. And the GOP held onto the Legislature too.
I also see little signs that some of the American Left at the Federal level is getting a sinking feeling that all their efforts to oppose and remove Trump might actually create a backlash. Stuff like Adam Schiff already making excuses for Trump winning the 2020 election for instance...
https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/22/adam-schiff-is-already-claiming-the-illegitimacy-of-a-trump-reelection/
I'm pretty sure that whole mess is part of why WI went Trump in '16
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I'll say never when Los Angeles County his more voters in it than what, something like 26 states?
I think that any municipality/county with a population higher than Wyoming, or that meets some other proportional factor as compared to it's own original home state, ought to be it's own little state. I don't think places like CA, IL, and NYS being held hostage to a diametrically opposed set of cultural and fiscal values by their large cities is what the founders intended.
Having NoVa and SoVa split for instance would solve much of the current tussle over gun laws for instance.
Far from a perfect solution, but I think it would be a start, and help a bit with the bubbling undercurrent of CWII going on in America.
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"Having NoVa and SoVa split for instance would solve much of the current tussle over gun laws for instance."
Not for me it wouldn't. :mad:
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"Having NoVa and SoVa split for instance would solve much of the current tussle over gun laws for instance."
Not for me it wouldn't. :mad:
You'll have to shoot your way out I'm afraid. I asked Mrs. Dual if I could cash in some vacation time and be your battle buddy, but she said "no". =|
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"I asked Mrs. Dual if I could cash in some vacation time and be your battle buddy, but she said "no"."
Fly home, Buddy! I work alone! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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I think that any municipality/county with a population higher than Wyoming, or that meets some other proportional factor as compared to it's own original home state, ought to be it's own little state. I don't think places like CA, IL, and NYS being held hostage to a diametrically opposed set of cultural and fiscal values by their large cities is what the founders intended.
Having NoVa and SoVa split for instance would solve much of the current tussle over gun laws for instance.
Far from a perfect solution, but I think it would be a start, and help a bit with the bubbling undercurrent of CWII going on in America.
Just set up a county by county electoral college in each state.
Sometimes I wonder if we should not have capped the number of Representatives in the House. Make them expand to many hundreds to the point none of them are special.
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https://babylonbee.com/news/new-deadlier-ar-16-introduced-which-is-an-ar-15-wearing-a-maga-hat
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https://babylonbee.com/news/new-deadlier-ar-16-introduced-which-is-an-ar-15-wearing-a-maga-hat
Does that mean they made a head shaped carry handle mount to hold the hat? Need to make it compatible with picatinny rails and M-lok.
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For you folks in VA, if you want relief (a cure) for the overwhelming liberal/leftist population in the cities controlling the entire state, make Virginia to a republic. All it takes is to give each county one senator. Then, it won't matter how the population is divided/Gerrymandered for the House of Representatives. If VA is anything like OK, you have two houses of representatives, and you folks living out in the countryside are at the mercy of the population centers.
Reform your senate as I described, and nothing will pass out of the VA legislature that isn't good for either the cities or the countryside. If the cities want to do something special, let them handle it on their own and not drag the rest of the state, kicking and screaming, along with them.
Woody
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For you folks in VA, if you want relief (a cure) for the overwhelming liberal/leftist population in the cities controlling the entire state, make Virginia to a republic. All it takes is to give each county one senator. Then, it won't matter how the population is divided/Gerrymandered for the House of Representatives. If VA is anything like OK, you have two houses of representatives, and you folks living out in the countryside are at the mercy of the population centers.
Reform your senate as I described, and nothing will pass out of the VA legislature that isn't good for either the cities or the countryside. If the cities want to do something special, let them handle it on their own and not drag the rest of the state, kicking and screaming, along with them.
Woody
What's your plan for getting it through the current government of Virginia?
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What's your plan for getting it through the current government of Virginia?
Yep. Sadly the time to do that passed long ago. Those in power won't let it happen now.
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There are times I wish it was this simple
(https://oi1179.photobucket.com/albums/x383/WLJohnson1/Humor/UmgZTTV_zps2p70z4vq.gif)
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Yep. Sadly the time to do that passed long ago. Those in power won't let it happen now.
Just like California. Republican legislators are simply there now and in such small numbers that the dems just use them for the butt of their jokes. I wish I could say I hope it changes someday, but I think it's too late.
It might not be too late for VA yet, but they are at a minimum at a critical stage where everyone has to get out and vote. Much of what happened in CA happened because conservative people said, "It'll never happen" and too many fence sitters never bothered to pay attention or vote. Now it's likely too late and everyone is asking, "How did this happen?"
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For you folks in VA, if you want relief (a cure) for the overwhelming liberal/leftist population in the cities controlling the entire state, make Virginia to a republic. All it takes is to give each county one senator. Then, it won't matter how the population is divided/Gerrymandered for the House of Representatives. If VA is anything like OK, you have two houses of representatives, and you folks living out in the countryside are at the mercy of the population centers.
Reform your senate as I described, and nothing will pass out of the VA legislature that isn't good for either the cities or the countryside. If the cities want to do something special, let them handle it on their own and not drag the rest of the state, kicking and screaming, along with them.
Woody
I want to scream. WE HAD THIS! It was stolen from us by the USSC. Most states used to have a system like the Federal system, where the representatives were based on population, and the Senators were by geographic location (Counties).
"Baker vs Carr" and associated cases, rescinded that and required Senators be allotted by population, thus ensuring Seattle would RULE Washington, Denver Rules CO, etc and on-
This was done to ensure "equality, one person, one vote , the same old bushwah. One opposing Justice made the comment, the plaintiff is not saying they are not represented, they are saying they did not get their way... This is the same reason the communists Democrats are talking about getting rid of the electoral college-to ensure the major (communist Democrat dominated) areas can rule over the rest of the US.
On retirement, Earl Warren, Chief Justice, said this was the most important case of his tenure on the court. THE MOST IMPORTANT.
People are always complaining about how the urban areas seem to have control of their state, but most do not seem to understand why- it was a deliberate attack on a well designed system that had been set up to give rural areas a voice.
Of all USSC cases, this is the one I would like to see challenged. The situation in Virginia, where 95 percent of the counties are opposing Richmond, might be a good argument that representation has been illegally taken away from the rural areas.
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What's your plan for getting it through the current government of Virginia?
First off, it isn't up to me. It's up to Virginians. If Virginia has initiative petition, the people can get it done.
Woody
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I want to scream. WE HAD THIS! It was stolen from us by the USSC. Most states used to have a system like the Federal system, where the representatives were based on population, and the Senators were by geographic location (Counties).
"Baker vs Carr" and associated cases, rescinded that and required Senators be allotted by population, thus ensuring Seattle would RULE Washington, Denver Rules CO, etc and on-
This was done to ensure "equality, one person, one vote , the same old bushwah. One opposing Justice made the comment, the plaintiff is not saying they are not represented, they are saying they did not get their way... This is the same reason the communists Democrats are talking about getting rid of the electoral college-to ensure the major (communist Democrat dominated) areas can rule over the rest of the US.
On retirement, Earl Warren, Chief Justice, said this was the most important case of his tenure on the court. THE MOST IMPORTANT.
People are always complaining about how the urban areas seem to have control of their state, but most do not seem to understand why- it was a deliberate attack on a well designed system that had been set up to give rural areas a voice.
Of all USSC cases, this is the one I would like to see challenged. The situation in Virginia, where 95 percent of the counties are opposing Richmond, might be a good argument that representation has been illegally taken away from the rural areas.
Another case that caused this is Reynolds V. Sims.
Woody
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Virginia's constitution allows for initiative petitions for it to be amended. (Many states allow that and some much more via initiative petition.) That is the path that needs to be pursued. And SOON! Like maybe last week!
Woody
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Can the Virginia governor be recalled, or only impeached? What I've read of VA law seems ambiguous on the matter. And the petition doesn't trigger a recall election, it triggers a recall trial in a circuit court.
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Another case that caused this is Reynolds V. Sims.
Woody
Yes- Can't remember which came first, they were both associated in some manner.
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Can't let this fall off the first page, because the Democrats aren't done!!
Not guns this time, but the "FIGHT FOR 15!!!" idiots:
https://wtvr.com/2020/01/07/democrats-push-to-raise-minimum-wage-in-virginia-during-2020-ga-session/
So, we'll have a $15 minimum wage by 2025, no matter which of the Democrats' stupid proposals win.
And, we were ranked "Best State for Business" last year. Democrats are moving as fast as possible because that's just not fair to other states. By 2015, we'll easily be in the bottom half.
Secession and joining West Virginia is looking better and better for the vast majority of the state.
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What?
No mention of the fact that the Dems are pushing VERY hard to overturn Virginia's right to work state status?
https://www.thecentersquare.com/virginia/bill-to-fully-repeal-right-to-work-protections-passes-first/article_93c03646-49ea-11ea-8e85-fbfa879537b8.html
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What?
No mention of the fact that the Dems are pushing VERY hard to overturn Virginia's right to work state status?
https://www.thecentersquare.com/virginia/bill-to-fully-repeal-right-to-work-protections-passes-first/article_93c03646-49ea-11ea-8e85-fbfa879537b8.html
Everyone must be forced into being part of the democrat apparatus for their own good
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I'm sorry to report this, my VA friends. Believe me, I know how you feel.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/02/11/virginia-house-sends-gov-ralph-northams-assault-weapon-ban-on-to-the-senate/
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I wonder what the chances are of getting a say on it should it go all the way through? Or maybe a procedural delay long enough to get through the election cycle?
Brad
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Geez - to top it off, the VA house passed the "Whatever CA and NY say" popular vote bill as well.
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Yeap you guys are screwed.
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Geez - to top it off, the VA house passed the "Whatever CA and NY say" popular vote bill as well.
They are trying to provoke somebody, *anybody*, to go on a shooting rampage, which they will blame on all Republicans to set up stage two. Stage two involves a shooting war between anyone who's not a liberal Democrat (conservative Democrats are not exempt) and the police, so it's kind of a win-win for the Democrat party because they hate the police too. The war will be instigated by sending SWAT teams and other jackbooted thugs to kick in the doors of gun owners and other wrong-thinkers, and a few wrong addresses just to spice things up.
I'm serious about this, but I hope I'm wrong.
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They are trying to provoke somebody, *anybody*, to go on a shooting rampage, which they will blame on all Republicans to set up stage two. Stage two involves a shooting war between anyone who's not a liberal Democrat (conservative Democrats are not exempt) and the police, so it's kind of a win-win for the Democrat party because they hate the police too. The war will be instigated by sending SWAT teams and other jackbooted thugs to kick in the doors of gun owners and other wrong-thinkers, and a few wrong addresses just to spice things up.
I'm serious about this, but I hope I'm wrong.
https://billstclair.com/absolved/absolved.html
Very long but goes into why, although the Democrats might want things to go that way, it probably won't turn out like they hope, long term.
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I've read his stuff several years ago. Need to review.
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I'm sorry to report this, my VA friends. Believe me, I know how you feel.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/02/11/virginia-house-sends-gov-ralph-northams-assault-weapon-ban-on-to-the-senate/
It's now looking like Gov. Blackface's AWB could be in trouble in the Senate. Several Democrats have apparently heard their constituents and are saying they may not vote for it.
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I reached out to my local Senator, Creigh Deeds. He lives here in the Allegheny Highlands but urban areas of his district and the generally well known suckiness of the VA republican machine keep him elected. In normal times he might be the kind of Dem I could vote for.
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Democrat politicians listen to their conservative constituents? Not happening.
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From an alternate reality
“Later on in the [State of the Union] speech, when he got to the part about the Second Amendment and [Trump] said, ‘I will defend your Second Amendment rights, which are under attack and under siege all over this country,’ he’s saying to his followers that people like me want to attack the Second Amendment,” he continued. “And that’s just an absolute, brutal, disgusting, vicious lie. Under no circumstance, in no place in this country, is the Second Amendment under attack, and no legal, lawful gun owner feels the sting of gun safety measures that are being proposed.”
– Mike Brest in ‘Disgusting, vicious lie’: Parkland father removed from State of the Union address speaks out
Guttenberg: Gun Rights Aren’t Under Attack Anywhere in the U.S.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/guttenberg-gun-rights-arent-under-attack-anywhere-in-the-u-s/
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"...no legal, lawful gun owner feels the sting of gun safety measures that are being proposed.”
Yeah. It's only the newly-minted felons whose guns have been outlawed that feel the sting. The guy with the flintlock rifle is just fine.
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To the left it's obvious that gun rights aren't under attack. Because, to the left, there are no such thing as gun rights. Problem solved for them.
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To the left it's obvious that gun rights aren't under attack. Because, to the left, there are no such thing as gun rights. Problem solved for them.
It's HUNTING rights, you deplorable baby killers! We're not taking your HUNTING rights, as long as you don't use anything but a musket to do your evil hunting.
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It's HUNTING rights, you deplorable baby killers! We're not taking your HUNTING rights, as long as you don't use anything but a musket to do your evil hunting.
If the 2A is about hunting rights then why do we have to get hunting licenses?
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If the 2A is about hunting rights then why do we have to get hunting licenses?
BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE LIVING CONSTITUTION BAMBI KILLER!!!
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BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE LIVING CONSTITUTION BAMBI KILLER!!!
Living? I thought the dems had it aborted a long time ago
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Looks like the "assault weapons" ban has been temporarily shelved:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/virginia-lawmakers-reject-assault-weapon-ban
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Looks like the "assault weapons" ban has been temporarily shelved:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/virginia-lawmakers-reject-assault-weapon-ban
great news - now lets hope scotus pulls off another surprise and we get strict scrutiny
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So how is it looking for you Virginia folks for getting this horse's ass kicked out next election? Is he toast, or is the urban part of VA going to save him?
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/11/gov-ralph-coonman-northam-proud-to-sign-a-slew-of-new-commonsense-gun-safety-measures-that-will-save-lives/
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/04/11/but-wait-theres-more-gov-ralph-blackface-northam-signs-laws-rooting-out-racial-discrimination-in-virginia/
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Virginia has one term governors, so he's out no matter what.
I'm hoping that this helps the Republicans take back at least one of the houses, but the state has changed dramatically in the last 10 or so years. It's become FAR more liberal than it was when I moved here back in 1993.
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Yeah, you're screwed
And the people who voted for this will be the ones most effected
The Virginia House of Delegates now has a Democrat majority.
Their first order of business? Passing a bill to reduce prison sentences for violent crimes.
They even denied the families of victims from being able to testify in person.
pic.twitter.com/u5Dd0ZUv7h
— Greg Price (@greg_price11) February 1, 2024
https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2024/02/02/virginia-house-of-delegates-crime-n2392495
Democrat is a mental illness
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Yeah, you're screwed
And the people who voted for this will be the ones most effected
https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2024/02/02/virginia-house-of-delegates-crime-n2392495
Democrat is a mental illness
What are the details of this bills (not in video)?
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How do you propose we replace our constitution?
Replacing the constitution is not required to make progress. Changing to open primaries (and changing a lot of things about the primary process), changing to ranked voting, term limits, limitations on conflicts of interest, etc. can all be done without changing the constitution.
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changing to ranked voting,
I continue to see this come up in various arenas, and so far, the only places I've seen it "work" is for the minority party in the particular jurisdiction by creating an at best, "milquetoast" candidate for the opposing party. It just seems like a lowest common denominator solution to me. I still haven't seen how it could help a third party candidate. I'm open to examples and learning.
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It just seems like a lowest common denominator solution to me
That plus marketing is what democracy is,
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Ranked choice would ensure Virginia is forever done.