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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: taurusowner on April 08, 2010, 01:47:34 PM
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Who is the top admin of this board?
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Oleg Volk is the owner of this message board. As such, I would say he is the "head admin".
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Is he involved with day to day admin stuff?
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So, what are you exactly looking for?
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Interesting question. I'm curious why you'd want to know. Issue with a mod/admin so you're trying to goto that mod/admins "manager"?
In any case, Oleg may mostly lurk but he is involved in the boards workings. I have reported an online gambling site spam post before, and Oleg emailed me about it. Between THR, his blog, and you know actual life he's pretty busy, but if you have an urgent matter I'd write to him.
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I have no qualms with any particular member or Mod. Just a general question/idea that would be best addressed by the head honcho so to speak.
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I have no qualms with any particular member or Mod. Just a general question/idea that would be best addressed by the head honcho so to speak.
That would be Oleg.
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Oleg's the boss, but if the question is regarding normal day to day stuff, any of the regular admins can answer it.
Chris
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I've had good luck talking with both mtnbkr and Ben about a wide variety of issues. For purely technical issues I believe Nick1911 would be the man to see. I'd goto them first before bothering Oleg. If it's truly above their paygrade they'll tell you and refer you to Oleg.
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I've had good luck talking with both mtnbkr and Ben about a wide variety of issues. For purely technical issues I believe Nick1911 would be the man to see. I'd goto them first before bothering Oleg. If it's truly above their paygrade they'll tell you and refer you to Oleg.
You mean they get paid for what they do?!?!? They should be giving Oleg a kickback for putting up with them. =D =D =D
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Oleg has to pay them, so they have enough cash for the kickback. [popcorn] :lol:
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Oleg owns the board, and thusly we kind of follow a what Oleg wants goes rule.
As mtnbkr suggested, just pick a mod who hasn't pissed you off lately and shoot away. Often times we confer amongst ourselves to give the best answer.
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Well like I said it's not an issue with an particular mod, just kinda forum/mod actions in general. A pet peeve of mine of you will. I guess I'll just say it and you all can decide if it's worth discussing. If not, that's fine too..
Like I said, this isn't about any particular mod, and nothing recent has really triggered this thought. But it concerns the locking of threads. Specifically, when the mod who is doing the locking takes the opportunity to also make one last comment or even a remark about a member. On this forum, as with most forums, mod/admins are also posting members, which is cool. But I guess I would like to see more separation between a mod posting as a member, and exercising his authority. Basically, when a thread is worthy of being locked I would prefer to see something like "Thread locked for rude comments" or "Thread locked because it is off topic." When a debate is going on, I just prefer all involved in the debate to be on equal footing. So when it comes time for a mod to step above the rest and lock it down, I would also like to see the mod remove himself from the topic and not use his final locking post as a chance to get the last word in, or address something that was said in the thread. If a member needs a talking-to, I would suggest a PM as the best means to address the member's behavior, and leave the public act of mod-authority as the most bare-bones detached expression possible.
Thoughts?
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What mtnbkr and Jamis said -- pick one of us you're not currently mad at and ask away. :) If it's a major issue the mods will generally confer.
Also not to put Nick on the spot, but if it's a board tech question, he's a good goto guy.
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just pick a mod who hasn't pissed you off lately and shoot away.
But it concerns the locking of threads. Specifically, when the mod who is doing the locking takes the opportunity to also make one last comment or even a remark about a member. On this forum, as with most forums, mod/admins are also posting members, which is cool. But I guess I would like to see more separation between a mod posting as a member, and exercising his authority. Basically, when a thread is worthy of being locked I would prefer to see something like "Thread locked for rude comments" or "Thread locked because it is off topic." When a debate is going on, I just prefer all involved in the debate to be on equal footing. So when it comes time for a mod to step above the rest and lock it down, I would also like to see the mod remove himself from the topic and not use his final locking post as a chance to get the last word in, or address something that was said in the thread. If a member needs a talking-to, I would suggest a PM as the best means to address the member's behavior, and leave the public act of mod-authority as the most bare-bones detached expression possible.
Thoughts?
Gosh, that's an excellent idea. :angel:
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I also have recognized this as an occasional problem.
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Some threads get locked . . . free.
Some posts get deleted . . . also free.
Getting in the last word . . . priceless.
[popcorn]
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Some threads get locked . . . free.
Some posts get deleted . . . also free.
Getting in the last word . . . priceless.
[popcorn]
and sometimes funny as hell. :lol:
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Ragnar raises a valid point. The mods are currently discussing amongst ourselves. The rest of you need not turn this into a mod bashing thread. We do the best we can to keep this place from turning into an uncivil cesspit. We're human. Oh, and we're totally doing it for free. Remember, you always get what you pay for.
Here's the thing:
Sometimes something has to be said. Just locking the thread isn't always enough. Many times, it is said in PM. Sometimes, a public comment is in order. Its a fine line between using it as an excuse to get the last word of the argument in. Sometimes, the last word in the argument is the reason to close the thread if that makes any sense.
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In all honesty though, the mods who did/do the last-wordism thing haven't been around a lot lately.
And I don't count "We've done this before, it never ends well" kind of comments as last-wordisim either.
Only when the mod interjects one final argument for their view of the debate and locks it.
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Sometimes it's nice to have pointed out exactly what type of behavior gets a thread closed.
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AJ Dual speaks my mind on this subject. Glad to hear the mods are aware of it, but I haven't seen any problems with this for a bit. I was insulted by JJ after I got a thread locked, but in all fairness I probably deserved it. Would it have been better to just delete my post and lock without comment? I think so, but I'm not going to go cry like some emo kid because of it.
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AJ Dual speaks my mind on this subject. Glad to hear the mods are aware of it, but I haven't seen any problems with this for a bit. I was insulted by JJ after I got a thread locked, but in all fairness I probably deserved it. Would it have been better to just delete my post and lock without comment? I think so, but I'm not going to go cry like some emo kid because of it.
But, it was also a point to others that overly personal insults do get a thread closed. I was defintely using a pointy stick in that one, though :-*
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Yeah, I know. And I don't really care, as I said it's not a big deal. I should point out that I was trying to explain that my perception of the issue was irreconciably different than Micro's because of our radically different world views. Didn't quite come out that way tho, and I accept the consequences.
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Who is the top admin of this board?
fistful
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fistful
He said "top admin", not "scapegoat".
Granted, sometimes it's difficult to tell the two apart ...
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I actually AM the top admin, because I'm black-mailing Oleg and he does whatever I say.
On the subject of thread-locking, I think it would be best if the mod that posts the padlock is one that hasn't been involved in the discussion, or at least one that isn't too deep into it.
Now let me go set Oleg straight on that...
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...and I like to have an image of a pretty flower posted along with the last post, so that everybody knows we still wuv them.
And don't forget links to discount coupons for a hot-oil massage by one of the Swedish bikini team babes.
Thanks, bunch.
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There's not a "top administrator," but there's mods that are definitely more active, like Ben and JJ, and then there's guys like me and Ex-MA Hole.
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There's not a "top administrator," but there's mods that are definitely more active, like Ben and JJ, and then there's guys like me and Ex-MA Hole.
Then we have me...
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I have no problems with the moderators on this board. I think they generally are the kind of folks "Armed Polite Society" deserves. I thank them for their efforts on our behalf to keep the forum focused and polite.
[/brownnosing mode]
I, too, have seen the occasional topic "locked with the last word" and I think that's unseemly.
TC
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just pick a mod who hasn't pissed you off lately and shoot away
Why would I shoot at a mod who hasn't pissed me off lately? I'd be more inclined to shoot at one that has! >:D
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And don't forget links to discount coupons for a hot-oil massage by one of the Swedish bikini team babes.
Just one of them?
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I have seen this problem elsewhere (no place in particular) and it seemed an abuse of power. At least a conflict of interest.
Might I suggest: if a moderator who has been actively participating in a discussion decides that it needs to be locked, he gets a disinterested mod buddy to doit, or if things are really out-of-control, he locks it without *any* closing comments and get another moderator to review it (mod#2 can then add whatever snarky closing statement seems necessary, or possibly even reopen the thread because mod#1 overreacted)
I don't think it's really an issue here very often.
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I'll try and walk the fine line of giving my opinion as both member and mod, which I'm sure will get both members and mods mad at me. :)
I don't agree with moderators getting the last word in with a thread lock in a heated thread they've been heavily participating in, or have a known strong opinion about. I've said as much in the past in the moderator forums. That said, mods are only human. Personally, I have had to learn to take a step back in global warming related threads. I have a strong opinion on the subject (anti AGW) and in the past I had to be very careful regarding locking those threads. I've had members go into PM war mode with me and other moderators after I've locked one of those threads, including demands that I unlock the thread so that they can get the last word in, then I was told I was free to lock it again. Oh, and that's after I've been called a Nazi, among other choice descriptors.
If I feel a thread is getting out of hand that I have a strong opinion on, I now post in the Moderator forum and ask other mods to check the thread to ensure I'm not being biased, and/or will ask them to "take over" that thread so that I basically become a non-mod in it.
As far as locking threads with the last post calling out a poster: Sometimes it is not justified to do so. Other times it is absolutely justified to lock the thread with a hint, or an outright statement related to who got it shut down. I think you guys can generally tell which threads those are -- they usually go quickly downhill only a few posts after the post in question, which is usually outrageous enough to generate one or more "reported post" emails to staff by the membership. And we do use PMs to warn members, especially if they're new, or we think they may simply not have known better, or maybe have had a bad day. You usually see a public statement when we know the poster should have known better.
Which leads me to my final points. We are all, mods and members, different. One person may report a post that doesn't bother another person in the least. Mods have to walk a fine line between addressing the concerns of members who report a post or a thread, and members who think the thread is rolling along just fine. It basically ends up with us not pleasing anyone completely.
Personally, I consider myself a pretty liberal moderator. I'm on this forum pretty much every day, but I usually don't have cause to step in to give warnings in threads or to lock them. This leads some members to think I'm a crummy mod because I let things go too far (and yet others will say I'm too strict). Other mods may be much stricter and lock more threads. This leads some members to think they're crummy mods because they're too strict.
It comes down to the fact that we are all a myriad of personalities and opinions. When APS first started, we were probably a tenth the size we are now, and we were basically just an "offshoot thread" of THR. The small membership was pretty darn like-minded, and Oleg's original vision was that those few of us who were mods at the time would basically just be the maintenance crew and that membership would be largely self-moderated using the "Art's Grandma Rule". It worked pretty well until we started growing and gaining a much more diverse membership that was no longer as like-minded. We had to start actually moderating or else turn into ArfCom.
We still work under the philosophy though, that all members are moderators in their own right who should try to uphold the tenets of Armed POLITE SOCIETY. All members are encouraged to try and save threads they see going South. That doesn't mean jumping in and barking at people -- but if you, for example, see a thread on "best 230gr cast bullet for .45ACP reloading" turn into "1911's are for doodyheads", maybe you can jump in and actually post on a recommended bullet to get the thread back on track.
Mods can't be everywhere at once 24/7, so we HAVE to rely on members to not only treat one another with respect, but also sometimes not be overly thin-skinned. As I like to say, you don't HAVE to post in a thread you don't like -- you can always just drive on. Not getting worked up about a thread and moving to another subject, or just taking a break from the computer, would probably reduce thread locks by 50% and be really beneficial to the blood pressure. It's just the Internet. :)
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Given all that I am now having trouble deciding, which caliber for mods, .45 or 9mm?
:angel:
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I think they prefer .45 more. =)
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:lol:
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.50 bmg....
On second thought this thread is drifting into the wrong direction...
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Aww, come on people! When I see a locked thread I click on it to see who precipitated the locking and what the last word was. Don't spoil my fun!
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It's just the Internet. =)
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Ben is a Nazi? ???
I have had a busy couple of days and I'm just lost around here.
jim
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Now this
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=23865
was a Good Call.
A box of .45 to the Mod, since that's what they like. =)
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That said, mods are only human
that's unfair to the AI community
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that's unfair to the AI community
Don't talk about Fight Club...
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Now this
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=23865
was a Good Call.
??? Weird. Just weird.
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>The rest of you need not turn this into a mod bashing thread.<
Man... take ALL the fun out of life...
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I actually AM the top admin, because I'm black-mailing Oleg and he does whatever I say.
Dude, you can't blackmail the shameless!
I own this forum but most of the decision-making has been delegated to the capable moderator team. I show up when major policy decisions have to be discussed.
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You have a capable moderator team? Why don't we ever see them here?
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there mostly nikons(or was that canons, can't remember) there AI has achieved self awareness and taken on modding APS [tinfoil]
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Oleg, no matter what happens don't turn control of APS over to skynet. Trust me on this...
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Dude, you can't blackmail the shameless!
I order you to develop a sense of shame, or I shall reveal things of which you would be ashamed, if you were shame-able! :mad:
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Who is the "head admin"
The one with the dirty knees.
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Personally, I have had to learn to take a step back in global warming related threads. I have a strong opinion on the subject (anti AGW) and in the past I had to be very careful regarding locking those threads. I've had members go into PM war mode with me and other moderators after I've locked one of those threads, including demands that I unlock the thread so that they can get the last word in, then I was told I was free to lock it again. Oh, and that's after I've been called a Nazi, among other choice descriptors.
Bizarre.
(Probably my way of pointing out that I was not the perpetrator of any of the above, having never exchanged PM views with any mod over any locking of any thread. That I can remember anyway.)
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I'll volunteer to be the complaint desk. I'll run it like fed.gov runs these days. There are a bit over 2700 members. Once I see that more than 1350 of you are upset about something on the forum.... I'll ignore you. ;)
Works fine down in Washington DC.
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i think we're better off with the AI. =D
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The one with the dirty knees.
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Chris
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did i get the lsd tablets mixed up with the oxi? or is that bigbird? [tinfoil]
[popcorn]
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I show up when major policy decisions have to be discussed.
Well then which is it, .45 or 9mm? =D
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did i get the lsd tablets mixed up with the oxi? or is that bigbird? [tinfoil]
[popcorn]
She seems like a perfectly nice normal and capable woman who works for the SPCA to me.
I find your lame attempt at humor at her expense to be sexist and demeaning.
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She seems like a perfectly nice normal and capable woman who works for the SPCA to me.
I find your lame attempt at humor at her expense to be sexist and demeaning.
:lol: thanks i needed that =)
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You have a capable moderator team? Why don't we ever see them here?
They're at an undisclosed location along with Dick Cheney.
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They're at an undisclosed location along with Dick Cheney.
That is so 2000s, you should say that "They're at an undisclosed location along with Joe Biden." He will make the completely incapable in no time. =)
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Bizarre.
(Probably my way of pointing out that I was not the perpetrator of any of the above, having never exchanged PM views with any mod over any locking of any thread. That I can remember anyway.)
Absolutely not you.
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You have a capable moderator team? Why don't we ever see them here?
I just about spit coffee all over the laptop.
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They're at an undisclosed location along with Joe Biden
There is no such thing. You can hear the laughter for miles.
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There is no such thing. You can hear the laughter for miles.
And the TEETH, man! When he flaps his gums, those choppers flash off & on, like a danged semaphore. They can be spotted miles away.
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This thread needs to be locked.
I shall notify the moderators.
Sawdust
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I'll try to get the last word in before they lock it. =)
jim
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IBTL!
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Man, all of you folks are cooked!
Good thread.
IBTL
Jamie
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This thread needs to be locked.
I shall notify the moderators.
Sawdust
Ah, but don't you see the beauty of this thread? Every moderator has commented! They are all implicated. Even Oleg himself! They can never close it now! Never. No! They are doomed to endure this eternal, unlockable thread for all time! And now we shall call them all names. We shall say mean things about one another's religious beliefs! We shall refer to politicians by unflattering nick-names! This is our moment!
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Can't lock the thread, but I can ban you just for sport.
Chris
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Well like I said it's not an issue with an particular mod, just kinda forum/mod actions in general. A pet peeve of mine of you will. I guess I'll just say it and you all can decide if it's worth discussing. If not, that's fine too..
Like I said, this isn't about any particular mod, and nothing recent has really triggered this thought. But it concerns the locking of threads. Specifically, when the mod who is doing the locking takes the opportunity to also make one last comment or even a remark about a member. On this forum, as with most forums, mod/admins are also posting members, which is cool. But I guess I would like to see more separation between a mod posting as a member, and exercising his authority. Basically, when a thread is worthy of being locked I would prefer to see something like "Thread locked for rude comments" or "Thread locked because it is off topic." When a debate is going on, I just prefer all involved in the debate to be on equal footing. So when it comes time for a mod to step above the rest and lock it down, I would also like to see the mod remove himself from the topic and not use his final locking post as a chance to get the last word in, or address something that was said in the thread. If a member needs a talking-to, I would suggest a PM as the best means to address the member's behavior, and leave the public act of mod-authority as the most bare-bones detached expression possible.
Thoughts?
Yea, I think it is an issue.
It is tough though, because the mods/admins here are often the most passionate and frequent posters, and the site rules tend to be more fluid and subjective than many forums, especially for a general discussion site.
Personally (and you know how much that is worth!) I would rather see a strict set of guidelines that govern thread locking, rather than what there is now which is somewhat unpredictable and fluid. A system where you have to break a written rule (or the spirit of such) to have your thread locked, rather than just make the wrong person mad at you or the subject of the thread. Stating an unpopular viewpoint or opinion should be an acceptable thing to do as long as it is done cleanly without rule violations.
I will say though, it is a lot better than it was when I first started posting here.
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I will say though, it is a lot better than it was when I first started posting here.
It's better than it was just a couple months back ;)
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Aw, c'mon, mtnbkr. Let me ban Fistful. I never get to ban anybody. ;)
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Aw, c'mon, mtnbkr. Let me ban Fistful. I never get to ban anybody. ;)
Why settle for just one? Ban both mtnbkr and fisftul.
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I will say though, it is a lot better than it was when I first started posting here.
Ban him, too, for insufficient nostalgia. :P
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Ah, but don't you see the beauty of this thread? Every moderator has commented! They are all implicated. Even Oleg himself! They can never close it now! Never. No! They are doomed to endure this eternal, unlockable thread for all time! And now we shall call them all names. We shall say mean things about one another's religious beliefs! We shall refer to politicians by unflattering nick-names! This is our moment!
I haven't commented yet.
Oh wait...
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Ban him, too, for insufficient nostalgia. :P
Well, I admit, it probably was nicer here pre:
Summary - mellestad
Name: mellestad
Posts: 431 (1.645 per day)
Position: Member
Date Registered: July 21, 2009, 02:15:43 PM
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I'm against banning fistful. I think we should just change his name and avatar every day.
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~80 posts to answer the question "Who is the top admin?"
and you people complain about government inefficiency...
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I would comment in this thread, but I'm afraid I'd say something that would get fistful banned.
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If fistful is getting banned, who will take over has forum scapegoat? Is there an application process?
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If fistful is getting banned, who will take over has forum scapegoat? Is there an application process?
I beleive ther is a scapegoat in training around here somewhere. =)
jim
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ban * -NOW -d 24hours ???
:lol:
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I beleive ther is a scapegoat in training around here somewhere. =)
jim
It's either Charby or MA-Hole. Does the latter still post here? ???
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When he has the time. Lately, outside influences have kept him busy, but he should be back soon. =)
I hereby nominate Mr. Hamford as Fisty's successor. We've got plenty of sh... um, "dirt," on him already. :laugh:
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When he has the time. Lately, outside influences have kept him busy, but he should be back soon. =)
I hereby nominate Mr. Hamford as Fisty's successor. We've got plenty of sh... um, "dirt," on him already. :laugh:
Seconded. Can we vote now Mabs?
jim
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Thirded. ;)
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Seconded. Can we vote now Mabs?
jim
No, you can not vote on Mabs. He is only to be accused of buggery on a weekly basis. Hecan, however, be appointed "Safe Schools Czar."
Ban him, too, for insufficient nostalgia. :P
That is one I haven't heard before.
I, for one, am against banning mell for insufficient nostalgia when there are so many other reasons to ban him.
I'll think of one, here, soon enough.
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E's a witch! E turned me into a newt.
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E's a witch! E turned me into a newt.
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A newt?
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I got better. Now I'm just a scapegoat.
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I got better. Now I'm just a scapegoat.
I'm for just calling him goat.
jim
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~80 posts to answer the question "Who is the top admin?"
and you people complain about government inefficiency...
But this thread didn't cost 500,000 dollar in taxes so we could have five government employees monitor it and decide which of us don't make enough money and create a new subsidy or tax credit or something...
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No no, it's Nick. He's the head admin. Saw a picture. :lol:
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~80 posts to answer the question "Who is the top admin?"
and you people complain about government inefficiency...
If anyone really wants to know how the APS mods work, here you go:
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A. Administrative Action is Introduced - Any administrator can introduce a piece of Administrative Action
The Round Table - Administrative Action is handed to J. J. or placed in the hopper.
The Politics Place - Administrators must gain recognition of the presiding officer to announce the introduction of a Call for Administrative Action during the morning hour. If any Administrator objects, the introduction of the Call for Administrative Action is postponed until the next day.
• The Call for Administrative Action is assigned a number. (e.g. RT 1 or PP 1)
• The Call for Administrative Action is labeled with the sponsor's name.
• The Call for Administrative Action is sent to the APS Printing Office (APSPO) and copies are made.
• The Politics Place Calls for Administrative Action can be jointly sponsored.
• Administrators can cosponsor the piece of Administrative Action.
B. Committee Action - The Call for Administrative Action is referred to the appropriate committee by Nick1911 or the presiding officer in The Politics Place. Most often, the actual referral decision is made by The Round Table or The Politics Place parliamentarian. Call for Administrative Actions may be referred to more than one committee and it may be split so that parts are sent to different committees. The Speaker of The Round Table may set time limits on committees. Call for Administrative Actions are placed on the calendar of the committee to which they have been assigned. Failure to act on a Call for Administrative Action is equivalent to killing it. Call for Administrative Actions in The Round Table can only be released from committee without a proper committee vote by a discharge petition signed by a majority of The Round Table Administratorship (five administrators).
Committee Steps:
1. Comments about the Call for Administrative Action's merit are requested by APS agencies.
2. Calls for Administrative Action can be assigned to subcommittee by Chairman.
3. Hearings may be held.
4. Subcommittees report their findings to the full committee.
5. Finally there is a vote by the full committee - the Call for Administrative Action is "ordered to be reported."
6. A committee will hold a "mark-up" session during which it will make revisions and additions. If substantial amendments are made, the committee can order the introduction of a "clean Call for Administrative Action" which will include the proposed amendments. This new Call for Administrative Action will have a new number and will be sent to the floor while the old Call for Administrative Action is discarded. The forum must approve, change or reject all committee amendments before conducting a final passage vote.
7. After the Call for Administrative Action is reported, the committee staff prepares a written report explaining why they favor the Call for Administrative Action and why they wish to see their amendments, if any, adopted. Committee Administrators who oppose a Call for Administrative Action sometimes write a dissenting opinion in the report. The report is sent back to the whole forum and is placed on the calendar.
8. In The Round Table, most Call for Administrative Actions go to the Rules committee before reaching the floor. The committee adopts rules that will govern the procedures under which the Call for Administrative Action will be considered by the The Round Table. A "closed rule" sets strict time limits on debate and forbids the introduction of amendments. These rules can have a major impact on whether the Call for Administrative Action passes. The rules committee can be bypassed in three ways: 1) Administrators can move rules to be suspended (requires 2/3 vote)2) a discharge petition can be filed 3) The Round Table can use a Calendar Wednesday procedure.
C. Floor Action
1. Administrative Action is placed on the Calendar
The Round Table: Call for Administrative Actions are placed on one of four Forum Calendars. They are usually placed on the calendars in the order of which they are reported yet they don't usually come to floor in this order - some Calls for Administrative Actions never reach the floor at all. Nick1911 and mtnbkr decide what will reach the floor and when. (Administrative Action can also be brought to the floor by a discharge petition.)
The Politics Place: Administrative Action is placed on the Legislative Calendar. There is also an Executive calendar to deal with trolls and spammers. Scheduling of Administrative Action is the job of mtnbkr. Calls for Administrative Action can be brought to the floor whenever a majority of The Politics Place chooses.
2. Debate
The Round Table: Debate is limited by the rules formulated in the Rules Committee. The Committee of the Whole debates and amends the Call for Administrative Action but cannot technically pass it. Debate is guided by the Sponsoring Committee and time is divided equally between proponents and opponents. The Committee decides how much time to allot to each person. Amendments must be germane to the subject of the Call for Administrative Action - no riders are allowed. The Call for Administrative Action is reported back to The Round Table (to itself) and is voted on. A quorum call is a vote to make sure that there are enough Administrators present (5) to have a final vote. If there is not a quorum, The Round Table will adjourn or will send JamisJockey out to round up missing Administrators.
The Politics Place: debate is unlimited unless cloture is invoked. Administrators can speak as long as they want and amendments need not be germane - riders are often offered. Entire Calls for Administrative Action can therefore be offered as amendments to other Calls for Administrative Action. Unless cloture is invoked, Administrators can use a filibuster to defeat a measure by "talking it to death."
3. Vote - the Call for Administrative Action is voted on. If passed, it is then sent to the other forum unless that forum already has a similar measure under consideration. If either forum does not pass the Call for Administrative Action then it dies. If The Round Table and The Politics Place pass the same Call for Administrative Action then it is sent to Oleg. If The Round Table and The Politics Place pass different Call for Administrative Actions they are sent to Conference Committee. Most major Administrative Action goes to a Conference Committee.
D. Conference Committee
1. Administrators from each forum form a conference committee and meet to work out the differences. The committee is usually made up of senior Administrators who are appointed by the presiding officers of the committee that originally dealt with the Call for Administrative Action. The representatives from each forum work to maintain their version of the Call for Administrative Action.
2. If the Conference Committee reaches a compromise, it prepares a written conference report, which is submitted to each forum.
3. The conference report must be approved by both The Round Table and The Politics Place.
E. Oleg - the Call for Administrative Action is sent to Oleg for review.
1. A Call for Administrative Action is enacted if approved by Oleg or if not signed within 10 days and APS is online.
2. If Congress adjourns before the 10 days and Oleg has not approved the Call for Administrative Action then it does not become law ("Pocket Veto.")
3. If Oleg vetoes the Call for Administrative Action it is sent back to the administrators with a note listing his reasons. The forum that originated the Administrative Action can attempt to override the veto by a vote of two-thirds of those present. If the veto of the Call for Administrative Action is overridden in both forums then it is enacted.
F. The Call for Administrative Action is enacted - once a Call for Administrative Action is approved by Oleg or his veto is overridden by both Forums it is enacted and is assigned an official number.
G. The Call for Administrative Action is finally then buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as fire lighters.
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Well, I guess that explains why I never do anything around here.
:D :D :D
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It's either Charby or MA-Hole. Does the latter still post here? ???
I heard he's filming a new adult movie involving wookies?
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I heard he's filming a new adult movie involving wookies?
Rated "G", since the fur hides all the naughty bits, nobody but Han Solo understand their vocalizations, and they look like they are in a "made for TV" depiction of UFC fight rather than making sweet, sweet wookiee love.
Which brings up the philosophical point:
Can you get the feeling of satisfaction of being naughty, if no one either knows or cares if you are being naughty?
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Rated "G", since the fur hides all the naughty bits, nobody but Han Solo understand their vocalizations, and they look like they are in a "made for TV" depiction of UFC fight rather than making sweet, sweet wookiee love.
Which brings up the philosophical point:
Can you get the feeling of satisfaction of being naughty, if no one either knows or cares if you are being naughty?
There are times where abusing our power feels oh so good.... :-*
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It's better than it was just a couple months back ;)
Yea, buddy.
Ever since we ran that TwoColdSoakers outta town.