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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: dogmush on May 11, 2015, 02:42:33 PM
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I'm starting to think this guy might have some anger managment issues.
http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/florida/2015/05/11/police-george-zimmerman-shot-in-lake-mary/27124931/
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What's that thing they say, about stupid people, doing stupid things, stupid places?
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This dude, he got problems.
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Wonder if the jury in the Martin case wishes they could have a do over.
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Wonder if the jury in the Martin case wishes they could have a do over.
Idiot still doesn't mean guilty.
Dude is a first class idiot, but he's still an innocent idiot. At least of murder or manslaughter.
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Oh, and update-
http://m.wftv.com/news/news/local/george-zimmerman-shot-lake-mary/nmDZj/
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Oh, and update-
http://m.wftv.com/news/news/local/george-zimmerman-shot-lake-mary/nmDZj/
Checking the photos, the press indicates it was Mr. Zimmerman's truck that was shot, and he was hit by glass shards. (He didn't do the shooting, in other words.)
I guess even staying in the vehicle isn't always safe, huh?
Edit: Here's the pic
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.cmgdigital.com%2Fshared%2Flt%2Flt_cache%2Fthumbnail%2F615%2Fimg%2Fphotos%2F2015%2F05%2F11%2Fd0%2F3a%2FZimmerman_2.jpg&hash=2590a161cc1f03bad0544e731f9714051e067109)
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I guess even staying in the vehicle isn't always safe, huh?
:O
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Ugh, GO AWAY.
GO LIVE UNDER A ROCK YOU STUPID OBNOXIOUS POS.
http://www.ozarksfirst.com/story/d/story/george-zimmerman-injured-in-fla-shooting-incident/16727/WcupaBozs0yZTzhjGsUnGQ
LAKE MARY, Fla. -- (CNN) George Zimmerman -- acquitted by a Florida jury over the death of Trayvon Martin -- was involved in a shooting in Lake Mary, Florida, on Monday, police spokeswoman Bianca Gillett said.
Zimmerman apparently suffered a minor gunshot wound, CNN affiliate WESH-TV reported, citing the police chief.
The affiliate spoke with one witness, Ricardo Berrare, who also said Zimmerman's injuries didn't look serious.
"He walked normally into the ambulance, so he wasn't being helped or nothing," Berrare told WESH.
The shooting is under investigation, but it appeared to be some type of road rage incident, Gillett told CNN.
Police said there were no fatalities in the shooting and said the department would not release additional information until a briefing planned for Monday afternoon.
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http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=48230.0
Too slow!
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So either he did or did not do something that provoked someone else to shoot at him/his passenger side window. The news says he thinks he knows who did it, which may or may not mean he knows why they did it.
Regardless, everybody is ready to brand him as the guilty provoker in this incident and some are looking for retroactive do-over justice because he followed some kid who objected by trying to pound his head through the sidewalk (or so the jurors decided).
It is very difficult to find the "polite" with folks discussinng this specific incident.
I agree that the guy seems to have some problems with relationships and social interaction. I do not understand how some folks want to add up all the incidents he has been involved in but not found guilty of anything and arrive at the sum of "let's lock the idjit up for being an idjit".
Quite frankly, if I found some of you sitting as my jury I'd strongly consider cutting a deal out of fear that you would vote for a death sentence after finding me guilty of littering because the wind blew my hat off.
stay safe.
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Regardless, everybody is ready to brand him as the guilty provoker in this incident and some are looking for retroactive do-over justice because he followed some kid who objected by trying to pound his head through the sidewalk (or so the jurors decided).
Which certainly could be the reason someone decided to take a shot at him. There have been plenty of threats along those lines.
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Which certainly could be the reason someone decided to take a shot at him. There have been plenty of threats along those lines.
Are you saying that it's not fistful's fault?
stay safe.
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Are you saying that it's not fistful's fault?
I'm not even saying that it isn't fistful's bad aim.
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Regardless, everybody is ready to brand him as the guilty provoker in this incident and some are looking for retroactive do-over justice because he followed some kid who objected by trying to pound his head through the sidewalk (or so the jurors decided).
That was my first thought. I'm sure he has quite the fan club following his every move...
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White Hispanic lives matter.
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This episode is a little bizarre. In the September episode, police dash cam had Zimmerman saying he had no idea who the guy was. So if this is the third episode (two since september?) these two poop magnets seem to keep attracting each other. Draw your own conclusions.
For all of our sakes I wish the Z man would settle the hell down and move to wyoming or somewhere.
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Why wouldn't this dude change his name and move far, far away?
I just don't get it. Florida isn't healthy for him.
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Eh, maybe he likes the weather.
If he was smart he'd write a book about what happened and the trial after, find a tiki hut somewhere, and be a hermit for the rest of his life while cashing the checks from his publisher.
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. . . Regardless, everybody is ready to brand him as the guilty provoker in this incident . . .
Now, if it could only be shown that he was drawing a picture of Mohammed when someone took a shot at him . . .
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Most of the headlines that I saw said something along the lines of "George Zimmerman involved in a shooting." I, as I suspect many other people did, jumped to the conclusion that it was he who had done the shooting. It seems that the shooter was the gent who had previously accused him of brandishing — and who told a bystander, "I just shot George Zimmerman."
At this point, I do not believe anyone involved.
I think if I were him, I might try for hermithood.
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I'll say what I say everytime he makes it into the news.
It sucks that he had to go through what he did in the Martin case. In a fair and just world, he should have been able to go on with his life after the verdict as if nothing had happened. The world is neither fair nor just. He needs to not be a knucklehead and realize that.
He shouldn't have to move to BFE, but he should move to BFE. This is what a prudent person who has been handed the short end of a stick would do. Especially given the current "social justice" atmosphere, where we have rioters, etc. promoting the killing of cops. Not just bad cops, any cops. And anyone who they have a grudge against, like Zimmerman, who, one could say, was the precursor case to everything happening in Ferguson, Baltimore, etc. The guy has a big target on his back, his front, everywhere. If I were him, at this point I would get out of Dodge not just to stay under the radar, but for my own personal safety.
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I've said it before...
Move away, set up residency someplce you aren't known, do a legal name change, and live your life. Best bet for a single guy without job and family ties to an area who went through what he did. Then, live a quiet life as George Zimmers, or Gage Zimmerman, where no one automatically ties you to that incident...
He just can't stay out of the headlines, in large part because his name makes any story a headline story.
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For all of our sakes I wish the Z man would settle the hell down and move to wyoming or somewhere.
No, no. Wyoming is on my list of potential retirement states. Don't send him there.
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If I was involved in a high profile shooting like that the first thing I would do would be to start a new life far, far, far away...with a new identity...because if you don't, you will be a *expletive deleted*it magnet due to the crazy out there looking to kill your ass, ruin your life, or make a profit off of your misfortune.
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It was national news for quite a while. There isn't anywhere he could go in this country where he wouldn't be known. He would have to change his name and face, and someone would probably still out him. Also, he didn't seem like a man of great financial means.
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I can imagine if I was him, I would likely have to put heavy tint on my side windows. Road rage incidents would likely be daily. There would always be some yahoo around who thought he was a murderer.
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The guy is like a bad penny!!!
But the penny is actually worth something. >:D
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It was national news for quite a while. There isn't anywhere he could go in this country where he wouldn't be known. He would have to change his name and face, and someone would probably still out him. Also, he didn't seem like a man of great financial means.
I'd imagine any number of organizations would have, at the time of the verdict, assisted him with the finances for identity change and relocation.
You do bring up the point that it could be argued, with a name change, he might be better off relocating to a very large city instead of the sticks. As long as he kept his mouth shut, he could blend in with the other million or so residents. Without a name change, he'd be better off in a small conservative town somewhere. As long as he laid low.
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Also, I merged the dupe topics.
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I can imagine if I was him, I would likely have to put heavy tint on my side windows. Road rage incidents would likely be daily. There would always be some yahoo around who thought he was a murderer.
The tint on the window shown in the news seems to me to be pretty dark.
syay safe.
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Another violent confrontation with George Zimmerman? The only thing surprising about it is that it apparently wasn't him vs a woman.
The longer this pattern of confrontations (which began well before his run in with trayvon martin) the more obvious it is who is baiting the fight.
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Another violent confrontation with George Zimmerman? The only thing surprising about it is that it apparently wasn't him vs a woman.
The longer this pattern of confrontations (which began well before his run in with trayvon martin) the more obvious it is who is baiting the fight.
I wouldn't jump to say he's baiting all this.
However, I would say he needs to learn how to walk away from an offered fight.
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Most of the headlines that I saw said something along the lines of "George Zimmerman involved in a shooting." I, as I suspect many other people did, jumped to the conclusion that it was he who had done the shooting. It seems that the shooter was the gent who had previously accused him of brandishing — and who told a bystander, "I just shot George Zimmerman."
At this point, I do not believe anyone involved.
I think if I were him, I might try for hermithood.
Lost 70 lbs, grow a beard, start wearing sunglasses. And move.
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I'd imagine any number of organizations would have, at the time of the verdict, assisted him with the finances for identity change and relocation.
You do bring up the point that it could be argued, with a name change, he might be better off relocating to a very large city instead of the sticks. As long as he kept his mouth shut, he could blend in with the other million or so residents. Without a name change, he'd be better off in a small conservative town somewhere. As long as he laid low.
A very large city is likely to have more of the demographic disposed to hate Zimmerman. There are plenty of big towns in flyover country where he'd have a better chance of living the quiet life. If he wanted to.
That being said, I can't blame him for staying where he is, under his own name. He was falsely accused, libeled, slandered, and hung by a jury of the media. Maybe he just doesn't want to fold to the pressure.
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I wouldn't jump to say he's baiting all this.
However, I would say he needs to learn how to walk away from an offered fight.
Some people (and I do mean some people) will always believe any accusation against Zimmerman. You can't reason with them.
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I think he was justified in the Trayvon business - but stupid to get involved in it. Nothing I've seen since makes me think better of his judgment, or think that his judgment has improved. I know a guy like him - doesn't know when to quit, even when people all around are saying "stop digging your own grave." He escalates things unnecessarily, with no tangible benefit whatsoever to him.
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How do you happen across the same road-rage guy 3 times? And what the hell set the guy off enough on the third time to actually shoot?
Dude's had a rough few years. Why have people accused him, then refused to press charges? Are they just saps who fall for his "I'm sorry" line or were they trying to set him up/get back at him and decided to not go all the way?
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Apperson the other guy involved pull the trigger this time is even less of a daisy than Zimmerman
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Apperson the other guy involved pull the trigger this time is even less of a daisy than Zimmerman
Yep - that's how you get multiple police calls with different folk over the years that amount to nothing - associate with people who are also doing something wrong.
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How do you happen across the same road-rage guy 3 times? And what the hell set the guy off enough on the third time to actually shoot?
Probably simply being that evil WHITE Latino who got away with "murdering" some poor innocent black child who was just turning his life around. That was probably enough to have this guy go road rage on him and seek him out to do just that. I'm suprised it doesn't happen more often actually.
But of course it would all be George Zimmermans fault because he didn't move somewhere else where they don't have TV and never heard of him or seen his face displayed on the screen. ;/.
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Probably simply being that evil WHITE Latino who got away with "murdering" some poor innocent black child who was just turning his life around. That was probably enough to have this guy go road rage on him and seek him out to do just that. I'm suprised it doesn't happen more often actually.
But of course it would all be George Zimmermans fault because he didn't move somewhere else where they don't have TV and never heard of him or seen his face displayed on the screen. ;/.
You do realise most of his police calls for violence are actually domestic violence calls, which started before he shot Trayvon martin?
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You do realise most of his police calls for violence are actually domestic violence calls, which started before he shot Trayvon martin?
I like how we have a guy who has shots fired into his vehicle and we find ways to blame the victim. ;/
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That dude was blasted full on by the Eye of Sauron for more than a year. Far as I'm concerned, any Zimmerman news story that doesn't end with his belt around his neck counts as a win.
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I think he was justified in the Trayvon business - but stupid to get involved in it. Nothing I've seen since makes me think better of his judgment, or think that his judgment has improved. I know a guy like him - doesn't know when to quit, even when people all around are saying "stop digging your own grave." He escalates things unnecessarily, with no tangible benefit whatsoever to him.
1. On the first, do you mean he shouldn't have done the neighborhood watch gig or should have ignored the suspicious looking guy casing out the neighborhood which is what a "neighborhood watch" is supposed watch for? Just curious.
2. Was there something in these links that said he escalated things unnecessarily?
I think many people I see complaining about the guy in this thread and eslewhere would do little better in the same circumstances.
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1. On the first, do you mean he shouldn't have done the neighborhood watch gig or should have ignored the suspicious looking guy casing out the neighborhood which is what a "neighborhood watch" is supposed watch for? Just curious.
2. Was there something in these links that said he escalated things unnecessarily?
I think many people I see complaining about the guy in this thread and eslewhere would do little better in the same circumstances.
In those circumstances it looks like he forgot the watch part of Neighborhood Watch. IMHO he stepped on himself when he confronted Martin instead of continuing to watch and wait for the police.
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That dude was blasted full on by the Eye of Sauron for more than a year. Far as I'm concerned, any Zimmerman news story that doesn't end with his belt around his neck counts as a win.
IIRC I never really took a strong stance on the episode. I was mostly in wait and see what's next mode during the whole time.
The left has no problem taking troubled individuals and lionizing them into victim heroes. For my part I'm always apprehensive about doing it with "our" guys.
Considering that George hasn't ended up in jail by now I'd say the actual pattern is he isn't breaking the law regularly despite the narrative otherwise.
It would have been great if instead of just barely surviving the continual attention and assault from Mordor he rose up to be a heroic figure. Unfortunately he seems to be just a flawed man who makes bad choices.
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In those circumstances it looks like he forgot the watch part of Neighborhood Watch. IMHO he stepped on himself when he confronted Martin instead of continuing to watch and wait for the police.
He confronted Martin?
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In such circumstances I could see myself taking my wife's name or reviving my mother's maiden name. =D
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He confronted Martin?
No, not according to what was shown at trial when the prosecution pretty much proved the defense's case with their witness' testimony.
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IIRC I never really took a strong stance on the episode. I was mostly in wait and see what's next mode during the whole time.
The left has no problem taking troubled individuals and lionizing them into victim heroes. For my part I'm always apprehensive about doing it with "our" guys.
Considering that George hasn't ended up in jail by now I'd say the actual pattern is he isn't breaking the law regularly despite the narrative otherwise.
It would have been great if instead of just barely surviving the continual attention and assault from Mordor he rose up to be a heroic figure. Unfortunately he seems to be just a flawed man who makes bad choices.
My take as well.
I suppose it's possible he's gotten a pass, or favoritism from the various LEA's he's run into, because despite being a 'tard, he's "Our Tard" at least from the perspective of the law-n-order an self-defense side of things. However, I think the desire to string him up, either as revenge to appease those who do think he's a murderer, or just LEA's and prosecutors afraid they'll be ground zero for the next round of protests could be just as equally strong.
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George's only screw up, was not leaving the St. Mary/Sanford area long ago. Man has a HUGE target on his back.
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George's only screw up, was not leaving the St. Mary/Sanford area long ago. Man has a HUGE target on his back.
I suppose the laundry list of women calling 911 on him could be considered additional screw ups
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Cereal bad taste in women if that was a crime I be doing triple life
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Cereal bad taste in women if that was a crime I be doing triple life
How many of them have called 911 on you to report abuse?
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How many of them have called 911 on you to report abuse?
How many of the accusers has Zimmerman actually abused?
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How many of the accusers has Zimmerman actually abused?
Hard to say - there's definitely something he's doing, though.
Would you hire somebody with a record of police interventions that long? "Sorry boss, I'm off again - my mrs called the police. No, not again - this is a new one."
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Ah yes, the old "Where there's smoke, there's fire" prosecution. Fine legal framework, that is.
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Ah yes, the old "Where there's smoke, there's fire" prosecution. Fine legal framework, that is.
Where's the prosecution? I'm appealing to common sense.
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Where's the prosecution? I'm appealing to common sense.
There is no appeal from the judgement of the court of public opinion.
stay safe.
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So I guess similarly Trayvon's history damned him
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Cereal bad taste in women if that was a crime I be doing triple life
More like serial taste for women who have bad taste in men.
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In those circumstances it looks like he forgot the watch part of Neighborhood Watch. IMHO he stepped on himself when he confronted Martin instead of continuing to watch and wait for the police.
This is the main problem with the whole discussion on the Martin/Zimmerman thing. There are just too many people who have a picture in their mind of what happened based on a bunch of bad information that came out early on. I pick on you simply because the first actual confrontation was when Martin attacked Zimmerman. There was no confrontation before then. I think I have been guilty of it myself. I think I benefited by not paying attention to this case until about 3 or 4 days after it happened and I bypassed some of the bad information early on.
http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/
Massad Ayoob included a series of articles from his blog in his latest book and laid out the event and evidence and prosecution pretty well.
http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2013/07/13/the-zimmerman-verdict-part-1/
This is the first one. His book had 14 or 15 sections about different parts of the trial and aspects of it.
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If Zimmerman had remained in his car would Martin be alive today?
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If Zimmerman had remained in his car would Martin be alive today?
Hard to say. Martin attacked a man alone on foot for being followed. What's to say he wouldn't have attacked a man in a parked car for following him? After all the kid had a history of complaints about violent behavior.
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Hard to say - there's definitely something he's doing, though.
Would you hire somebody with a record of police interventions that long? "Sorry boss, I'm off again - my mrs called the police. No, not again - this is a new one."
Oh, fer cryin' out load. Forgive Zimmerman for being innocent and get on with your life already.
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If Zimmerman had remained in his car would Martin be alive today?
Dead or in prison is my guess.
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Dead or in prison is my guess.
Who? Martin had less of an assault/confrontation record than Zimmerman, who nearly got dead a few days ago.
Zimmerman worship is the gun owning, right wing version of the rev Al and his coalition.
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Zimmerman worship is the gun owning, right wing version of the rev Al and his coalition.
You're obviously not from around here.
I've never actually seen "Zimmerman Worship". Care to cite an instance?
And I'm of the opinion Martin got exactly what he deserved, even if it was by the hands of a complete idiot. But I suppose that's Zimmerman worship in your book.
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Martin got exactly what he deserved, even if it was by the hands of a complete idiot
Proof that there is a God?
Really, not much worship around here. I recall plenty of folk criticizing his tactics and whatnot...though his actions seemed much more reasonable after the prosecution brought out the 911 dispatcher and all those witnesses that backed up Zimmerman's story.
What many missed and the media did its best to not cover was that from The Water Buffalo's testimony, it sounded like Martin thought Zimmerman was homosexual. "Creepy ass Cracker" and all that. And that if that were so, Martin was committing a "hate crime" by jumping Zimmerman.
Speculation? Unfounded? Sauce for the goose/gander, says I.
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You're obviously not from around here.
I've never actually seen "Zimmerman Worship". Care to cite an instance?
And I'm of the opinion Martin got exactly what he deserved, even if it was by the hands of a complete idiot. But I suppose that's Zimmerman worship in your book.
I don't get the 'martin worship' by the left and minorities- its like they are all dumb enough to take their marching orders from al sharpton.
Martin was a turd. Michael Brown was a turd. The world is a better place with these two snuffed out. Find a better role model to latch on to.
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I don't get the 'martin worship' by the left and minorities- its like they are all dumb enough to take their marching orders from al sharpton.
Martin was a turd. Michael Brown was a turd. The world is a better place with these two snuffed out. Find a better role model to latch on to.
Whatever man! So they attempted to murder someone. We don't give people the death sentence for attempted murder!!11!!eleventy1!
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1- Rejecting the media narrative and allowing he was innocent until proven guilty.
2- Accepting the finding of the judge and jury who heard the case.
So those of us who are guilty of both one and two above are actually Zimmerman worshipers?
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Whatever man! So they attempted to murder someone. We don't give people the death sentence for attempted murder!!11!!eleventy1!
Dude, use an emoticon or something. =D
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Who? Martin had less of an assault/confrontation record than Zimmerman, who nearly got dead a few days ago.
Zimmerman worship is the gun owning, right wing version of the rev Al and his coalition.
Martin was into violence, drugs, and theft. He hadn't gotten to the level of Michael Brown yet (that we know of). Zimmerman is obviously a screwup, but not much more than that, and he is much older giving us a longer track record.
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Martin was into violence, drugs, and theft. He hadn't gotten to the level of Michael Brown yet (that we know of). Zimmerman is obviously a screwup, but not much more than that, and he is much older giving us a longer track record.
Yes. Reality answers De Selby's question for him.
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I think we're just being trolled.
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http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/05/dean-weingarten/confirmed-zimmerman-shooting-apparent-assassination-attempt
It turns out the guy who shot at Zimmerman has been stalking Zimmerman for a while, and that he has engaged in road rage antics against other people that he mistakenly thought were Zimmerman.
(https://i.imgflip.com/llq9b.jpg) (https://imgflip.com/i/llq9b)
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A certain blog is saying he survived an assassination attempt.
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Ooooo....where's our esteemed litigator now?
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I think we're just being trolled.
Some of the comments are consistent with past opinions I think.....unless that was trolling also. I guess that has happened before (global warming).
The tendency to follow main stream media opinions doggedly, refusal to admit initial opinions are incorrect, and the tendency to empathize with criminals or traditionally downtrodden groups despite facts to the contrary is not uncommon on the left.....or with some others. Not sure if he is doing all or some of that or none, but I don't really care either.
I guess no one wants to admit they were mistaken. IMO, it is a mistake to treat online discussions as a competition. For me at least, it is not the best way to approach it.
Much more fun to lust after a new handgun. http://stiguns.com/guns/tactical-ds/
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A certain blog is saying he survived an assassination attempt.
This gets to my feeling about putting yourself in his shoes. Once the media demonizes you, there are far too many who will hold that same bad opinion of you for a long time. A few are nuts like this shooter. If you have a recognizable face like him, you are going to catch crap one way or another for a long time.
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Some of the comments are consistent with past opinions I think.....unless that was trolling also. I guess that has happened before (global warming).
The tendency to follow main stream media opinions doggedly, refusal to admit initial opinions are incorrect, and the tendency to empathize with criminals or traditionally downtrodden groups despite facts to the contrary is not uncommon on the left.....or with some others. Not sure if he is doing all or some of that or none, but I don't really care either.
I guess no one wants to admit they were mistaken. IMO, it is a mistake to treat online discussions as a competition. For me at least, it is not the best way to approach it.
Much more fun to lust after a new handgun. http://stiguns.com/guns/tactical-ds/
*shrugs* I've only go the past month to go on.
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Who? Martin had less of an assault/confrontation record than Zimmerman, who nearly got dead a few days ago.
Zimmerman worship is the gun owning, right wing version of the rev Al and his coalition.
Are you "cereal" (I love talking like a hipster when I'm online :-*
Lets take a look at the original Zimmerman thread, shall we??
It was started by an erudite, handsome and intelligent member of the "vast right wing conspiracy"..... :old:
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=33872.0
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Ooooo....where's our esteemed litigator now?
Right here, noting that the charged one is claiming self defense (his opposite is still alive, which will make things a bit dicey.). So much for backing ccw types who were just "following" other people.
You could believe it's just by accident that Zimmerman is surrounded by these confrontations purely by chance. Again, the track record says otherwise.
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naw, while I can't speak for the majority because I have been absent lately and I lack consent anyway - it seems to me "we" don't back anyone until the facts are in . Most of always seem to say Mr Zimmerman is the producer of his own unhappiness by "playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes"
If it seems as if we "always" back LTC's its because, statistically a person with a license to carry in general is less likely to pursue criminal activity - even Zimmerman in his neighborhood avenger days was not in actual violation of law, friggin dumb maybe . but not violating the law.
I find that the fine ladies and gentlemen here in our little hideaway from the insensitivity of facebook and vulgar youtube comments are generally very fair in our analysis of most legal self defense situations
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You could believe it's just by accident that Zimmerman is surrounded by these confrontations purely by chance. Again, the track record says otherwise.
I could, but that would be unlikely.
It's far easier to believe that liberal "do gooders" have painted him as a racist who gunned down a poor black child who was just a scared little boy and that has led to stalkers like this one trying to kill him to get justice.
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Again, the track record says otherwise.
The track record of domestic violence issues leads to road rage confrontations? I am not following you on that.
In this case, the information so far seems to point to a stalker type person repeatedly confronting Zimmerman and finally shooting at him. I am not seeing anything that points elsewhere. We will see if something else pops up.
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I doubt Deselby means this but Zimmerman is reaping what he sows - its true that domestic violence does not mean you will automatically get violent stalkers.
I've had stalkers and I will never be capable of domestic violence - we all have our faults but that's never been one of mine .
However all Zimmermans trouble are his own fault.
I don't know him personally but I wish I did so that I could point him in the right direction to change his life.
As A Man Thinketh, by James Allen is where I would tell him to start.
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I doubt Deselby means this but Zimmerman is reaping what he sows - its true that domestic violence does not mean you will automatically get violent stalkers.
I've had stalkers and I will never be capable of domestic violence - we all have our faults but that's never been one of mine .
However all Zimmermans trouble are his own fault.
I don't know him personally but I wish I did so that I could point him in the right direction to change his life.
As A Man Thinketh, by James Allen is where I would tell him to start.
I agree on the domestic violence issues, but the stalker wasn't harassing him for that. On the whole Martin shooting, he wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary for a roving neighborhood watch....so I don't really follow your train of thought.
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I agree on the domestic violence issues, but the stalker wasn't harassing him for that. On the whole Martin shooting, he wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary for a roving neighborhood watch....so I don't really follow your train of thought.
How do we know the guy was a stalker, and not just another of the numerous people who's been involved in a 911 call with George Zimmerman?
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How do we know the guy was a stalker, and not just another of the numerous people who's been involved in a 911 call with George Zimmerman?
Define numerous, please.
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How do we know the guy was a stalker, and not just another of the numerous people who's been involved in a 911 call with George Zimmerman?
This statement was made in some of the articles. Some of what I saw was the lawyer talking, but the cops said he made this statement.
A police report revealed Apperson said 'I hope I got him this time', after the road rage incident.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3084625/Man-shot-George-Zimmerman-looks-somber-court-ordered-turn-weapons-avoid-contact-former-neighborhood-watch-volunteer.html#ixzz3aS3vUGYU
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"After conducting numerous interviews throughout the week, detectives determined that Mr. Apperson did intentionally fire his weapon into the vehicle occupied by George Zimmerman without provocation," Gillett said in a statement.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman/os-matthew-apperson-arrested-george-zimmerman-20150515-story.html
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You could believe it's just by accident that Zimmerman is surrounded by these confrontations purely by chance. Again, the track record says otherwise.
"Correlation does not equate to causation."
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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman/os-matthew-apperson-arrested-george-zimmerman-20150515-story.html
This article summarizes the story of each person a bit. Since Apperson is the one who fired, we only know for sure that he pointed his gun at Zimmerman and fired. Everything else is conflicting stories unless the cops have other witnesses or video. (if I had someone harassing me on the road, I would be buying cameras immediately)
I wasn't sure if the shot occured at a stop light or moving. I was assuming moving, but I don't see anything that confirms that.
After Monday's incident, Apperson told police that Zimmerman pointed a gun at him and said, "I'm going to kill you," a police report shows.
Apperson said that's why he fired one shot into the car, according to the police report. He would not answer more questions.
On Wednesday, Zimmerman told a much different version of the story. Zimmerman told police that he was making a U-turn on West Lake Mary Boulevard when Apperson drove up behind him and yelled, "You remember me, you fat [expletive]?" through his open passenger's side window.
Zimmerman told police he did not recognize Apperson, according to a police report.
Zimmerman claimed Apperson kept yelling at him: "You owe me your life. The only reason I didn't press charges on you is because I wanted to kill you myself."
Zimmerman told police he laughed at Apperson and called him a "clown."
According to Zimmerman, he made the U-turn and tried to drive away, but Apperson pulled up next to him and fired.
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From what I have read of the "domestic violence" issues, no one was actually injured. Some property destruction was mentioned in one case (throwing a win bottle), but no charges were ever filed in any of the cases. The two girlfriends declined to pursue charges and the one with the wife was a claim made during divorce. I am not sure that is a big "track record" to hang your hat on.
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With all the accusations that have been leveled at Mr. Zimmerman, there's a pretty good chance he kidnapped the Lindbergh baby.
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The shooter is claiming self defense, but unless there are other witnesses or evidence, I don't see how that will stand up. Since Zimmerman's heavily tinted window was obviously rolled up at the time of the shot, I think it will be hard to prove the claim that Zimmerman threatened him with his gun.
The Daily Mail article I posted above has a bunch of pictures.
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With all the accusations that have been leveled at Mr. Zimmerman, there's a pretty good chance he kidnapped the Lindbergh baby.
Where was Zimmerman on November 22, 1963? >:D
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In the alleged domestic violence involving his wife when her dad was there the video evidence proves the wife a liar
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I agree on the domestic violence issues, but the stalker wasn't harassing him for that. On the whole Martin shooting, he wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary for a roving neighborhood watch....so I don't really follow your train of thought.
I'm not quite as eloquent as James Allen so I'll give my take on it then quote him .... its like the rioter in B'more - they were thugs/criminals before the guy was killed the opportunity for looting and mayhem revealed their character - no doubt some of their neighbors were feeling persecuted and that the gov/police are simply offing blacks but the thought of attacking innocent people and looting stores never entered their minds - its not their character ....
A rapist or pedophile might have suffered some childhood injury but others suffer worse and never imagine hurting anyone, what makes the one sufferer an evil being and the other a decent one? What they focus on, the rapist serial killer or common looter is not spending their days thinking about rescuing puppies and feeding starving children or meditating on how to bring the spirit of forgiveness and truth into their heart - I would guess they're thinking about revenge/looting/controlling people for evil.
Here is James Allen himself to say it better
A man does not come to the almshouse or the jail by the tyranny of fate or circumstance, but by the pathway of grovelling thoughts and base desires. Nor does a pure-minded man fall suddenly into crime by stress of any mere external force; the criminal thought had long been secretly fostered in the heart, and the hour of opportunity revealed its gathered power. Circumstance does not make the man; it reveals him to himself No such conditions can exist as descending into vice and its attendant sufferings apart from vicious inclinations, or ascending into virtue and its pure happiness without the continued cultivation of virtuous aspirations; and man, therefore, as the lord and master of thought, is the maker of himself the shaper and author of environment. Even at birth the soul comes to its own and through every step of its earthly pilgrimage it attracts those combinations of conditions which reveal itself, which are the reflections of its own purity and, impurity, its strength and weakness.
all James Allen is free and now in the public domain, you can get free audio books and free books online he is a genius and your life can only improve by reading his work :angel:
http://james-allen.in1woord.nl/
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so what I'm trying to say is Zimmerman is not meditating on peace/tranquility/harmony and love .
He is not seeking a loving relationship or a wife - he maybe thinks he is but he is seeking anger and resentment and fights - he is attracted to woman to fight with as much as the woman who choose him are only attracted to domestic abusers ...
How many times do we non DV men see attractive woman going for the same type of guy that ends up punching them in the eye?
time after time after time
We are what we think just like we are what we eat ....
but James Allen says it better than I do
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That would be eloquent except there is no proof that Zimmerman has ever, in his life, abused a women.
There are a lot of folks emotionally invested in him being a bad guy though.
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He's just escaping prosecution due to his white Hispanic privilege.
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"Correlation does not equate to causation."
But margarine and divorce:
(https://www.tylervigen.com/correlation_project/correlation_images/divorce-rate-in-maine_per-capita-consumption-of-margarine-us.png)
99.26% correlation. Much higher than Zimmerman and DV.
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That would be eloquent except there is no proof that Zimmerman has ever, in his life, abused a women.
There are a lot of folks emotionally invested in him being a bad guy though.
I don't recall seeing it, but was there a track record of complaint before the Martin shooting?
Zimmerman does appear to have anger issues around women, but I agree he hasn't apparently caused any injury. If so, they couldn't have simply dropped the complaints. Whether that anger extends to drivers on the road is unclear.
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I don't recall seeing it, but was there a track record of complaint before the Martin shooting?
Zimmerman does appear to have anger issues around women, but I agree he hasn't apparently caused any injury. If so, they couldn't have simply dropped the complaints. Whether that anger extends to drivers on the road is unclear.
IIRC, a relitive (cousin maybe?) came forward after the shooting and claimed some kind of violence/assault from years prior.
Even the second piece of your statement is iffy. He didn't appear to have any anger issues at all until the mediea purposfully destroyed him. Then his marriage collapsed. Then the wife started making things up about him to get a better deal in the divorce. Mayhaps he has anger issues around lying, backstabbing, folks who abandon their vows.
I don't know the guy, perhaps as well he's a powder keg. But the folks saying he has a history of this, that and the other continuously fail to provide any corraborated evidence of such. Because there isn't any. Which is why our resident Lawyer/troll has to rely on pounding the table.
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I don't recall seeing it, but was there a track record of complaint before the Martin shooting?
Zimmerman does appear to have anger issues around women, but I agree he hasn't apparently caused any injury. If so, they couldn't have simply dropped the complaints. Whether that anger extends to drivers on the road is unclear.
Then there're the 46 911 calls zimmerman made before the Martin shooting. His domestic violence and assault cases predate the shooting too.
Amazing how the drama and confrontations just magically follow!
Dog mush, the female relative claimed molestation.
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Then there're the 46 911 calls zimmerman made before the Martin shooting. His domestic violence and assault cases predate the shooting too.
Amazing how the drama and confrontations just magically follow!
Dog mush, the female relative claimed molestation.
How does he have a CCW or own a firearm if he's a domestic abuser?
My bet would be he was in a psychologically abusive and occasionally physically abusive marriage where he was on the receiving end of the abuse most of the time- it happens more often than you think.
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Then there're the 46 911 calls zimmerman made before the Martin shooting. His domestic violence and assault cases predate the shooting too.
Amazing how the drama and confrontations just magically follow!
Dog mush, the female relative claimed molestation.
Do you have any links for that? He wasn't a prohibited to possess firearms so the issues never went beyond a certain point. I am not sure if that points to just Zimmerman or also the character of people around him.
As we mentioned before, he wasn't and isn't an angel and none of this changes the fact that the Martin shooting was just plain self defense with no caveats or exceptions.
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Then there're the 46 911 calls zimmerman made before the Martin shooting. His domestic violence and assault cases predate the shooting too.
Amazing how the drama and confrontations just magically follow!
Dog mush, the female relative claimed molestation.
Ahhh... and now the facts come out.
How do we know the guy was a stalker, and not just another of the numerous people who's been involved in a 911 call with George Zimmerman?
Numerous people who have been involved with a 911 call = all the times Mr. Zimmerman made the calls to police about problems in his neighborhood. One with a known crime problem.
The obvious lesson here is, "If you see something, say something keep your mouth shut. Ain't none of your business."
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Then there're the 46 911 calls zimmerman made before the Martin shooting. His domestic violence and assault cases predate the shooting too.
Amazing how the drama and confrontations just magically follow!
Dog mush, the female relative claimed molestation.
I don't follow. How does Zimmerman calling the cops show that Zimmerman is a trouble maker? Was he calling the cops on himself?
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Then there're the 46 911 calls zimmerman made before the Martin shooting. His domestic violence and assault cases predate the shooting too.
Amazing how the drama and confrontations just magically follow!
Dog mush, the female relative claimed molestation.
I so love the where there's smoke there's fire prosecution.
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That would be eloquent except there is no proof that Zimmerman has ever, in his life, abused a women.
There are a lot of folks emotionally invested in him being a bad guy though.
Oh, I see what you mean - I think he is a fine guy, not to smart but decent enough - I probably wouldn't hang out with him but I wouldn't hesitate to offer to help him out if he needed his car battery jumped ( for instance )
I do not know if he is a DV type either, he does tend toward finding woman that accuse him of it - I've made the same mistake - I once had a girlfriend throw a cup of coffee at me while on the phone to 911 - she explained to the nice 911 operator that I "was a jerk" :cool: ;/
The nice police came and hauled her away for me :rofl: =D :laugh: :police: :police:
I'm not as dumb as Zimmerman but I've made similar mistakes and am slowly learning the lesson
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I don't follow. How does Zimmerman calling the cops show that Zimmerman is a trouble maker? Was he calling the cops on himself?
no snitching yo! ;/
Actually HTG, that is a good point - he is the neighborhood watch guy, we want him to call the police- because when he gets involved dumb thugs get shot
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I guess my main impression from the current case is that the Apperson guy was one of the "judging" type people and was out to harass and punish Zimmerman. I could be wrong, but reading the articles and seeing his picture, that is my impression. We'll see if more information is revealed.
As for judging Zimmerman, I think that many otherwise decent Americans wouldn't look so good if given the media 3rd degree on their personal life. I do wonder if I ever actually have to use my gun in self defense, would that mean I now have a track record of violent behavior also?
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How does he have a CCW or own a firearm if he's a domestic abuser?
The prohibition on people with DV convictions is not a lifetime ban in most states. 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(33)(B)(ii) states the following:
A person shall not be considered to have been convicted of such an offense for purposes of this chapter if the conviction has been expunged or set aside, or is an offense for which the person has been pardoned or has had civil rights restored (if the law of the applicable jurisdiction provides for the loss of civil rights under such an offense) unless the pardon, expungement, or restoration of civil rights expressly provides that the person may not ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms.
In many states, your civil rights are restored once you are released from jail and/or your probation is up. Once this is done, the DV preclusion no longer applies, unless your state also prohibits you from owning, transporting, and carrying firearms.
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IIRC, the purpose of a Neighborhood Watch is TO CALL THE POLICE, when you see something that isn't quite right. Given that the watch was organized due to the increasing amount of crime in his community, it would only make sense that those involved with the program would be calling 911.
;/ ;/ ;/
And as to the DV. A) The wife accusing the husband of DV during a divorce is practically de rigueur and simply a negotiating ploy. Often times, it is the wife that has been abusive to the husband. B) IIRC, In this country, one is considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Not sure if it's the same down in Oz, or if merely being tried in the court of public opinion is sufficient.
As it stands, I'm not aware of any case of anything being proven in a court of law against Mr. Zimmerman. So while he may not be the wisest person*, he is still an American citizen with all the rights and privileges one is entitled to as such.
Also, unless I'm missing something, Mr. Zimmerman has not been charged with any crime during this recent event, despite Mr. Apperson's claims to the contrary.
* Although it would appear that has moved out of state, and was merely present in that town to visit his mother on Mother's Day.
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The prohibition on people with DV convictions is not a lifetime ban in most states. 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(33)(B)(ii) states the following:
A person shall not be considered to have been convicted of such an offense for purposes of this chapter if the conviction has been expunged or set aside, or is an offense for which the person has been pardoned or has had civil rights restored (if the law of the applicable jurisdiction provides for the loss of civil rights under such an offense) unless the pardon, expungement, or restoration of civil rights expressly provides that the person may not ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms.
In many states, your civil rights are restored once you are released from jail and/or your probation is up. Once this is done, the DV preclusion no longer applies, unless your state also prohibits you from owning, transporting, and carrying firearms.
I had a friend who had his rights restored for something else entirely- it was a very long process. My point is that the red herrings about 911 domestic disturbance calls being thrown around by a certain individual probably have little or no merit whatsoever, unless they were over a long period of time (years) and he went through the process of getting his rights restored- dubious scenario altogether...
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I had a friend who had his rights restored for something else entirely- it was a very long process. My point is that the red herrings about 911 domestic disturbance calls being thrown around by a certain individual probably have little or no merit whatsoever, unless they were over a long period of time (years) and he went through the process of getting his rights restored- dubious scenario altogether...
Agreed. It depends on the state. In Michigan, you get most of them back when you get out of jail and off of probation. The only lingering barrier is that you can't apply for a CPL, and therefore don't have a complete restoration, until 8 years have lapsed.
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I so love the where there's smoke there's fire prosecution.
Well... wherever there's Leftism, there's often genocide.
We should do something about that, before it gets out of hand.
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AP is reporting that the fella who allegedly shot at Zimmerman has a history of mental illness:
http://news.yahoo.com/shooter-fixated-george-zimmerman-police-report-says-153412039.html
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — A Florida man charged with shooting at George Zimmerman last week had "a fixation" on the former neighborhood watch leader and had recently been admitted to a mental institution, according to a police report made public Tuesday.
The Lake Mary Police Department report said that 36-year-old Matthew Apperson had shown signs of paranoia, anxiety and bipolar disorder.
I'm . . . shocked?
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Whoops. Never mind, AJ's got it.
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AP is reporting that the fella who allegedly shot at Zimmerman has a history of mental illness:
http://news.yahoo.com/shooter-fixated-george-zimmerman-police-report-says-153412039.html
I'm . . . shocked?
It still has to be Zimmerman's fault somehow.... His racist shooting event triggered the attacker's mental condition?
Maybe the guy was a 911 operator and heard too many domestic calls from the Zimmerman household???
Inquiring minds want to know...
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It still has to be Zimmerman's fault somehow.... His racist shooting event triggered the attacker's mental condition?
Maybe the guy was a 911 operator and heard too many domestic calls from the Zimmerman household???
Inquiring minds want to know...
For years, he told everyone about Zimmerman's troubled past, and pedophile tendencies; and no one listened. That was when he snapped...
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I didn't know Deselby was Mr. Apperson's atty
http://news.yahoo.com/shooter-fixated-george-zimmerman-police-report-says-153412039.html
"Mr. Apperson behaved appropriately for anybody who has been threatened by Mr. Zimmerman," LaFay said."Mr. Zimmerman isn't known for his calm, collective reasoning."
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I didn't know Deselby was Mr. Apperson's atty
http://news.yahoo.com/shooter-fixated-george-zimmerman-police-report-says-153412039.html
"Mr. Apperson behaved appropriately for anybody who has been threatened by Mr. Zimmerman," LaFay said."Mr. Zimmerman isn't known for his calm, collective reasoning."
I didn't realise that all the "wait for the facts! Ccw presumed innocent!" Business only applied to some people.
It's a realistic defense.
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Well... wherever there's Leftism, there's often genocide.
We should do something about that, before it gets out of hand.
AJ wins teh innernets, again!
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I didn't realise that all the "wait for the facts! Ccw presumed innocent!" Business only applied to some people.
It's a realistic defense.
Yeah, it's a realistic defense. But it's also complete BS and we all know it.
Also, you don't get to lecture us on waiting for the facts.
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Yeah, it's a realistic defense. But it's also complete BS and we all know it.
Also, you don't get to lecture us on waiting for the facts.
See what I mean? Zimmerman worship.
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I didn't realise that all the "wait for the facts! Ccw presumed innocent!" Business only applied to some people.
It's a realistic defense.
At this time, the only verifiable facts are that Apperson fired a shot into Zimmerman's vehicle. Admitted it to the cops. To get self defense, he has to show Zimmerman did something to warrant deadly force. Unless he has witnesses to back him up, he is going to have problems.
Most other "facts" come from attorney statements on both sides.
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Some injuries on the back of his head where Zimmerman attacked him and was slamming his head into the sidewalk might help.
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See what I mean? Zimmerman worship.
Please don't ever change. You're priceless.
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See what I mean? Zimmerman worship.
=D
At this time, the only verifiable facts are that Apperson fired a shot into Zimmerman's vehicle. Admitted it to the cops. To get self defense, he has to show Zimmerman did something to warrant deadly force. Unless he has witnesses to back him up, he is going to have problems.
Most other "facts" come from attorney statements on both sides.
There were some published pics of the bullet hole in the window of Zimmerman's ride. That glass is tinted so dark I can't imagine how Apperson expects anyone to believe his story about seeing Zimmerman inside pointing a gun.
Not sure that qualifies as a fact, but it has me convinced.
Mak posted one such pic early in the thread:
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=48230.msg982656#msg982656
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Hmmm, let's argue the facts councilor.
Mr. Zimmerman's vehicle has a bullet hole in the side window. Mr. Apperson's vehicle has no damage.
Mr. Zimmerman, by all accounts, attempted to de-escalate the situation by breaking contact via a U-turn. Mr. Apperson then did the same and sped up to catch Mr. Zimmerman and then put a bullet through his vehicle.
The one telling fact, and it's kind of like the dog that didn't bark. I haven't seen nor heard mention of Mr. Zimmerman possessing a firearm in his vehicle. Curious that. I would think that had Mr. Zimmerman gone and brandished a firearm, the police would have recovered it at the scene, on his person, or in his truck. Which leads me to believe as to why he wasn't charged. Hard to brandish something you don't have.
Again, it's not "Zimmerman worship", but there is the curious fact that people who get their CCW/LTC/CWP are generally law-abiding. And even afterwards remain so. Therefore, when one who has such a permit has to use it, the general default option is to side the law-abiding citizen. Now that doesn't work in every case, but in the vast majority. Even to the point that sworn LE officers commit crimes at a rate many times that of permit holders.
It's also being able to analyze the facts (as presented via a variety of media outlets), and drawing a conclusion. In this case, the the consensus of this board, was Zimmerman should have stayed in his truck, however, once he was assaulted by Martin, he had every right to defend himself.
In other cases, we have provided our opinions on a variety of cases, and as more facts came to light, changing our opinion. (e.g. me and the Ferguson event.) I do try to avoid making a knee-jerk decision and having to back track later. There is nothing harder then admitting you made a mistake, and owning up to it.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Anti-Cop. Many of my former soldiers get up, put on the uniform, and go out to try to keep us safe. And I know that each one knows how much I and SFC Craft would be disappointed in them, should they violate some citizens rights and/or the oath they swore to uphold.
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I think Apperson's history of crazy is going to play a serious role
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Please don't ever change. You're priceless.
I know!!!!
OMG!!!
I was like really? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Be careful. I went back and looked and I think most of the story of Zimmerman trying to move off came from either him or his lawyer. Doesn't really change the shooter's delima though.
Hmmm, let's argue the facts councilor.
Mr. Zimmerman's vehicle has a bullet hole in the side window. Mr. Apperson's vehicle has no damage.
Mr. Zimmerman, by all accounts, attempted to de-escalate the situation by breaking contact via a U-turn. Mr. Apperson then did the same and sped up to catch Mr. Zimmerman and then put a bullet through his vehicle.
The one telling fact, and it's kind of like the dog that didn't bark. I haven't seen nor heard mention of Mr. Zimmerman possessing a firearm in his vehicle. Curious that. I would think that had Mr. Zimmerman gone and brandished a firearm, the police would have recovered it at the scene, on his person, or in his truck. Which leads me to believe as to why he wasn't charged. Hard to brandish something you don't have.
Again, it's not "Zimmerman worship", but there is the curious fact that people who get their CCW/LTC/CWP are generally law-abiding. And even afterwards remain so. Therefore, when one who has such a permit has to use it, the general default option is to side the law-abiding citizen. Now that doesn't work in every case, but in the vast majority. Even to the point that sworn LE officers commit crimes at a rate many times that of permit holders.
It's also being able to analyze the facts (as presented via a variety of media outlets), and drawing a conclusion. In this case, the the consensus of this board, was Zimmerman should have stayed in his truck, however, once he was assaulted by Martin, he had every right to defend himself.
In other cases, we have provided our opinions on a variety of cases, and as more facts came to light, changing our opinion. (e.g. me and the Ferguson event.) I do try to avoid making a knee-jerk decision and having to back track later. There is nothing harder then admitting you made a mistake, and owning up to it.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Anti-Cop. Many of my former soldiers get up, put on the uniform, and go out to try to keep us safe. And I know that each one knows how much I and SFC Craft would be disappointed in them, should they violate some citizens rights and/or the oath they swore to uphold.
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It's a realistic defense.
Ummm ... not to drag things out unnecessarily, no it isn't.
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The overwhelming butthurt at the stupendous Narrative Collapse in the Zimmerman/Martin case has yet to heal over.
It has gotten to the point where a guy with papers to prove he is nuts and has harassed & stalked Zman chases after Zimmerman and shoots at him...and the assumption is that Zimmerman is the culprit.
Thing is, I would have no problem believing Zimmerman is a serial screw up with aggression issues and questionable judgement. Lots of such folk out there. But I need some data to back it up. Data that doesn't disintegrate like toilet paper in the rain when details become known.
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Oh hell... I'll just come out and say what Selby keeps implying he thinks we want to say.
Zimmerman's "win" was important for "good" CCW people and self-defense over "bad" thuggy ones, no matter the facts of the case! YEARRRGH!
SHINE MY SHOES BOY! JIM CROW JIM CROW!
Better now?
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IMO, the Zimmerman case was important, but mainly because the rule of law won the day in the end despite attempts to confuse the facts.
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Oh hell... I'll just come out and say what Selby keeps implying he thinks we want to say.
Zimmerman's "win" was important for "good" CCW people and self-defense over "bad" thuggy ones, no matter the facts of the case! YEARRRGH!
SHINE MY SHOES BOY! JIM CROW JIM CROW!
Better now?
:lol:
IMO, the Zimmerman case was important, but mainly because the rule of law won the day in the end despite attempts to confuse the facts. The Media and racebaiters' best efforts to lynch Zimmerman
FTFY ;)
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Dear lord of zimmerman,
Because you shot an unsavoury black person, will you please make all my fans who loved that shooting discount everything bad about the guy who just shot at me?
I know it's lame to obey rules like "don't chase feeling suspects!" and That I'm a party to a shooting, I just hope you'll recognise that shooting at Hispanics like me is wrong.
Truth is lord, I pray that no accusation against me will ever come true again. Can I throw a lottery or keno winner on there as well?
Thanks lord
Your humble black teen shooting ccw,
George Zimmerman
PS - after I kilt Trayvon by divine writ, I felt the lords presence at Kel Tec. That there bible could be more obvious in leading our kind to automatic or at least pump weapons.
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See?
Doesn't it feel so much better when we can all cut to the chase like this?
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Who was "chas(ing) feeling (sic) suspects?" :O Was Zimmerman chasing Martin? When did that happen?
He was trying to follow him for awhile ... but that doesn't really count as a "chase" IMHOI.
And since when has Trayvon Martin been presented as being particularly empathetic? [tinfoil]
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Who was "chas(ing) feeling (sic) suspects?" :O Was Zimmerman chasing Martin? When did that happen?
He was trying to follow him for awhile ... but that doesn't really count as a "chase" IMHOI.
And since when has Trayvon Martin been presented as being particularly empathetic? [tinfoil]
Don't try to understand it rationally. That's a trap.
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Dear lord of zimmerman,
Because you shot an unsavoury black person, will you please make all my fans who loved that shooting discount everything bad about the guy who just shot at me?
I know it's lame to obey rules like "don't chase feeling suspects!" and That I'm a party to a shooting, I just hope you'll recognise that shooting at Hispanics like me is wrong.
Truth is lord, I pray that no accusation against me will ever come true again. Can I throw a lottery or keno winner on there as well?
Thanks lord
Your humble black teen shooting ccw,
George Zimmerman
PS - after I kilt Trayvon by divine writ, I felt the lords presence at Kel Tec. That there bible could be more obvious in leading our kind to automatic or at least pump weapons.
I think I'm usually pretty good at deciphering leftish "reasoning," but this is pretty far out there. Anyone care to translate?
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Because you shot an unsavoury black person, will you please make all my fans who loved that shooting discount everything bad about the guy who just shot at me?
You are aware, are you not, that Zimmerman shot Martin not because he was "an unsavoury black person" but because he was a young black person intent on smashing Zimmerman's head like a month-old Halloween pumpkin.
I know it's lame to obey rules like "don't chase feeling suspects!" and That I'm a party to a shooting, I just hope you'll recognise that shooting at Hispanics like me is wrong.
What "rules against chasing feeling subjects" would those be? I believe you are an attorney -- you must understand that an accusation of breaking some law or rule is invalid if the accuser can't cite the law or rule being broken. Where, exactly, does any law or rule say in writing that what Zimmerman did was not allowed? Zimmerman wasn't "chasing" Martin, he was trying to see where Martin went. Despite numerous attempts to claim that Zimmerman "disobeyed" the dispatcher when he went to look for Martin, the fact is that Zimmerman was already out of his vehicle looking for martin when the dispatcher told him, "You don't need to do that." In fact, he was on his way back to his vehicle when Martin jumped him. And he clearly wasn't in visual contact with Martin (as he would have been if he had been chasing him), since Martin was able to ambush him completely by surprise.
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Dear lord of zimmerman,
Because you shot an unsavoury black person, will you please make all my fans who loved that shooting discount everything bad about the guy who just shot at me?
I know it's lame to obey rules like "don't chase feeling suspects!" and That I'm a party to a shooting, I just hope you'll recognise that shooting at Hispanics like me is wrong.
Truth is lord, I pray that no accusation against me will ever come true again. Can I throw a lottery or keno winner on there as well?
Thanks lord
Your humble black teen shooting ccw,
George Zimmerman
PS - after I kilt Trayvon by divine writ, I felt the lords presence at Kel Tec. That there bible could be more obvious in leading our kind to automatic or at least pump weapons.
Don't you have some goats to harass? You don't want those darned goats running across your bridge, do you?
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Don't you have some goats to harass? You don't want those darned goats running across your bridge, do you?
Oh, the dissonance of hoofs pounding upon one's wood!
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Thread necro: Apperson has now been formally charged with attempted second degree murder:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/18/us/apperson-charged-with-attempted-murder-of-george-zimmerman/index.html
Let the Zimmerman Worship(tm) begin . . . or resume . . . whatever.
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It's obvious that Zimmerman is being protected by his white Hispanic privilege.
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Apperson will obviously win this case, with the "he was following me" defence.