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Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #125 on: May 19, 2015, 07:24:37 PM »
I didn't know Deselby was Mr. Apperson's atty

http://news.yahoo.com/shooter-fixated-george-zimmerman-police-report-says-153412039.html

"Mr. Apperson behaved appropriately for anybody who has been threatened by Mr. Zimmerman," LaFay said."Mr. Zimmerman isn't known for his calm, collective reasoning."
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Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #126 on: May 19, 2015, 08:02:40 PM »
I didn't know Deselby was Mr. Apperson's atty

http://news.yahoo.com/shooter-fixated-george-zimmerman-police-report-says-153412039.html

"Mr. Apperson behaved appropriately for anybody who has been threatened by Mr. Zimmerman," LaFay said."Mr. Zimmerman isn't known for his calm, collective reasoning."

I didn't realise that all the "wait for the facts!  Ccw presumed innocent!" Business only applied to some people.

It's a realistic defense.
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Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #127 on: May 19, 2015, 10:11:40 PM »
Well... wherever there's Leftism, there's often genocide.

We should do something about that, before it gets out of hand.

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Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #128 on: May 20, 2015, 09:44:42 AM »
I didn't realise that all the "wait for the facts!  Ccw presumed innocent!" Business only applied to some people.

It's a realistic defense.
Yeah, it's a realistic defense.  But it's also complete BS and we all know it. 

Also, you don't get to lecture us on waiting for the facts.

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Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #129 on: May 20, 2015, 07:38:27 PM »
Yeah, it's a realistic defense.  But it's also complete BS and we all know it. 

Also, you don't get to lecture us on waiting for the facts.

See what I mean?  Zimmerman worship.
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Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #130 on: May 20, 2015, 09:48:11 PM »
I didn't realise that all the "wait for the facts!  Ccw presumed innocent!" Business only applied to some people.

It's a realistic defense.
At this time, the only verifiable facts are that Apperson fired a shot into Zimmerman's vehicle.  Admitted it to the cops.  To get self defense, he has to show Zimmerman did something to warrant deadly force.  Unless he has witnesses to back him up, he is going to have problems. 

Most other "facts" come from attorney statements on both sides. 
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Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #131 on: May 20, 2015, 09:56:42 PM »
Some injuries on the back of his head where Zimmerman attacked him and was slamming his head into the sidewalk might help.

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Re: Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #132 on: May 20, 2015, 10:58:43 PM »
See what I mean?  Zimmerman worship.
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Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #133 on: May 20, 2015, 11:07:24 PM »
See what I mean?  Zimmerman worship.
 =D

At this time, the only verifiable facts are that Apperson fired a shot into Zimmerman's vehicle.  Admitted it to the cops.  To get self defense, he has to show Zimmerman did something to warrant deadly force.  Unless he has witnesses to back him up, he is going to have problems.  

Most other "facts" come from attorney statements on both sides.  
There were some published pics of the bullet hole in the window of Zimmerman's ride.  That glass is tinted so dark I can't imagine how Apperson expects anyone to believe his story about seeing Zimmerman inside pointing a gun.

Not sure that qualifies as a fact, but it has me convinced.

Mak posted one such pic early in the thread:
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=48230.msg982656#msg982656

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Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #134 on: May 21, 2015, 12:17:44 AM »
Hmmm, let's argue the facts councilor.

Mr. Zimmerman's vehicle has a bullet hole in the side window.   Mr. Apperson's vehicle has no damage.

Mr. Zimmerman, by all accounts, attempted to de-escalate the situation by breaking contact via a U-turn.   Mr. Apperson then did the same and sped up to catch Mr. Zimmerman and then put a bullet through his vehicle.

The one telling fact, and it's kind of like the dog that didn't bark.   I haven't seen nor heard mention of Mr. Zimmerman possessing a firearm in his vehicle.  Curious that.  I would think that had Mr. Zimmerman gone and brandished a firearm, the police would have recovered it at the scene, on his person, or in his truck.   Which leads me to believe as to why he wasn't charged.  Hard to brandish something you don't have.


Again, it's not "Zimmerman worship", but there is the curious fact that people who get their CCW/LTC/CWP are generally law-abiding.  And even afterwards remain so.  Therefore, when one who has such a permit has to use it, the general default option is to side the law-abiding citizen.  Now that doesn't work in every case, but in the vast majority.  Even to the point that sworn LE officers commit crimes at a rate many times that of permit holders.

It's also being able to analyze the facts (as presented via a variety of media outlets), and drawing a conclusion.   In this case, the the consensus of this board, was Zimmerman should have stayed in his truck, however, once he was assaulted by Martin, he had every right to defend himself. 

In other cases, we have provided our opinions on a variety of cases, and as more facts came to light, changing our opinion.  (e.g. me and the Ferguson event.)  I do try to avoid making a knee-jerk decision and having to back track later.  There is nothing harder then admitting you made a mistake, and owning up to it.

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« Reply #135 on: May 21, 2015, 03:32:49 AM »
I think Apperson's history of crazy is going to play a serious role
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Re: Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #136 on: May 21, 2015, 09:02:22 AM »
Please don't ever change. You're priceless.

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Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #137 on: May 21, 2015, 09:55:22 AM »
Be careful.  I went back and looked and I think most of the story of Zimmerman trying to move off came from either him or his lawyer.  Doesn't really change the shooter's delima though. 
Hmmm, let's argue the facts councilor.

Mr. Zimmerman's vehicle has a bullet hole in the side window.   Mr. Apperson's vehicle has no damage.

Mr. Zimmerman, by all accounts, attempted to de-escalate the situation by breaking contact via a U-turn.   Mr. Apperson then did the same and sped up to catch Mr. Zimmerman and then put a bullet through his vehicle.

The one telling fact, and it's kind of like the dog that didn't bark.   I haven't seen nor heard mention of Mr. Zimmerman possessing a firearm in his vehicle.  Curious that.  I would think that had Mr. Zimmerman gone and brandished a firearm, the police would have recovered it at the scene, on his person, or in his truck.   Which leads me to believe as to why he wasn't charged.  Hard to brandish something you don't have.


Again, it's not "Zimmerman worship", but there is the curious fact that people who get their CCW/LTC/CWP are generally law-abiding.  And even afterwards remain so.  Therefore, when one who has such a permit has to use it, the general default option is to side the law-abiding citizen.  Now that doesn't work in every case, but in the vast majority.  Even to the point that sworn LE officers commit crimes at a rate many times that of permit holders.

It's also being able to analyze the facts (as presented via a variety of media outlets), and drawing a conclusion.   In this case, the the consensus of this board, was Zimmerman should have stayed in his truck, however, once he was assaulted by Martin, he had every right to defend himself. 

In other cases, we have provided our opinions on a variety of cases, and as more facts came to light, changing our opinion.  (e.g. me and the Ferguson event.)  I do try to avoid making a knee-jerk decision and having to back track later.  There is nothing harder then admitting you made a mistake, and owning up to it.

Contrary to popular belief, I am not Anti-Cop.  Many of my former soldiers get up, put on the uniform, and go out to try to keep us safe.  And I know that each one knows how much I and SFC Craft would be disappointed in them, should they violate some citizens rights and/or the oath they swore to uphold. 



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Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #138 on: May 21, 2015, 10:25:01 AM »
It's a realistic defense.

Ummm ... not to drag things out unnecessarily, no it isn't.
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Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #139 on: May 21, 2015, 10:42:12 AM »
The overwhelming butthurt at the stupendous Narrative Collapse in the Zimmerman/Martin case has yet to heal over.

It has gotten to the point where a guy with papers to prove he is nuts and has harassed & stalked Zman chases after Zimmerman and shoots at him...and the assumption is that Zimmerman is the culprit.

Thing is, I would have no problem believing Zimmerman is a serial screw up with aggression issues and questionable judgement.  Lots of such folk out there.  But I need some data to back it up.  Data that doesn't disintegrate like toilet paper in the rain when details become known.
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Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #140 on: May 21, 2015, 11:22:19 AM »
Oh hell... I'll just come out and say what Selby keeps implying he thinks we want to say.

Zimmerman's "win" was important for "good" CCW people and self-defense over "bad" thuggy ones, no matter the facts of the case! YEARRRGH!

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Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #141 on: May 21, 2015, 11:35:13 AM »
IMO, the Zimmerman case was important, but mainly because the rule of law won the day in the end despite attempts to confuse the facts.
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Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #142 on: May 21, 2015, 12:24:16 PM »
Oh hell... I'll just come out and say what Selby keeps implying he thinks we want to say.

Zimmerman's "win" was important for "good" CCW people and self-defense over "bad" thuggy ones, no matter the facts of the case! YEARRRGH!

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IMO, the Zimmerman case was important, but mainly because the rule of law won the day in the end  despite attempts to confuse the facts.  The Media and racebaiters' best efforts to lynch Zimmerman

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Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #143 on: May 22, 2015, 11:38:20 AM »
Dear lord of zimmerman,

Because you shot an unsavoury black person, will you please make all my fans who loved that shooting discount everything bad about the guy who just shot at me?

I know it's lame to obey rules like "don't chase feeling suspects!" and That I'm a party to a shooting, I just hope you'll recognise that shooting at  Hispanics like me is wrong.

Truth is lord, I pray that no accusation against me will ever come true again.  Can I throw a lottery or keno winner on there as well?

Thanks lord

Your humble black teen shooting ccw,

George Zimmerman

PS - after I kilt Trayvon by divine writ, I felt the lords presence at Kel Tec.  That there bible could be more obvious in leading our kind to automatic or at least pump weapons.
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Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #144 on: May 22, 2015, 11:42:36 AM »
See?

Doesn't it feel so much better when we can all cut to the chase like this?
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Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #145 on: May 22, 2015, 11:46:14 AM »
Who was "chas(ing) feeling (sic) suspects?"  :O   Was Zimmerman chasing Martin?  When did that happen?
He was trying to follow him for awhile ... but that doesn't really count as a "chase" IMHOI.
And since when has Trayvon Martin been presented as being particularly empathetic?  [tinfoil]
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Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #146 on: May 22, 2015, 11:56:36 AM »
Who was "chas(ing) feeling (sic) suspects?"  :O   Was Zimmerman chasing Martin?  When did that happen?
He was trying to follow him for awhile ... but that doesn't really count as a "chase" IMHOI.
And since when has Trayvon Martin been presented as being particularly empathetic?  [tinfoil]
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Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #147 on: May 22, 2015, 05:49:45 PM »
Dear lord of zimmerman,

Because you shot an unsavoury black person, will you please make all my fans who loved that shooting discount everything bad about the guy who just shot at me?

I know it's lame to obey rules like "don't chase feeling suspects!" and That I'm a party to a shooting, I just hope you'll recognise that shooting at  Hispanics like me is wrong.

Truth is lord, I pray that no accusation against me will ever come true again.  Can I throw a lottery or keno winner on there as well?

Thanks lord

Your humble black teen shooting ccw,

George Zimmerman

PS - after I kilt Trayvon by divine writ, I felt the lords presence at Kel Tec.  That there bible could be more obvious in leading our kind to automatic or at least pump weapons.


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Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #148 on: May 22, 2015, 06:13:35 PM »
Because you shot an unsavoury black person, will you please make all my fans who loved that shooting discount everything bad about the guy who just shot at me?

You are aware, are you not, that Zimmerman shot Martin not because he was "an unsavoury black person" but because he was a young black person intent on smashing Zimmerman's head like a month-old Halloween pumpkin.

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I know it's lame to obey rules like "don't chase feeling suspects!" and That I'm a party to a shooting, I just hope you'll recognise that shooting at  Hispanics like me is wrong.

What "rules against chasing feeling subjects" would those be? I believe you are an attorney -- you must understand that an accusation of breaking some law or rule is invalid if the accuser can't cite the law or rule being broken. Where, exactly, does any law or rule say in writing that what Zimmerman did was not allowed? Zimmerman wasn't "chasing" Martin, he was trying to see where Martin went. Despite numerous attempts to claim that Zimmerman "disobeyed" the dispatcher when he went to look for Martin, the fact is that Zimmerman was already out of his vehicle looking for martin when the dispatcher told him, "You don't need to do that." In fact, he was on his way back to his vehicle when Martin jumped him. And he clearly wasn't in visual contact with Martin (as he would have been if he had been chasing him), since Martin was able to ambush him completely by surprise.
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Re: Some folks can not take a hint to just calm down
« Reply #149 on: May 22, 2015, 06:33:19 PM »
Dear lord of zimmerman,

Because you shot an unsavoury black person, will you please make all my fans who loved that shooting discount everything bad about the guy who just shot at me?

I know it's lame to obey rules like "don't chase feeling suspects!" and That I'm a party to a shooting, I just hope you'll recognise that shooting at  Hispanics like me is wrong.

Truth is lord, I pray that no accusation against me will ever come true again.  Can I throw a lottery or keno winner on there as well?

Thanks lord

Your humble black teen shooting ccw,

George Zimmerman

PS - after I kilt Trayvon by divine writ, I felt the lords presence at Kel Tec.  That there bible could be more obvious in leading our kind to automatic or at least pump weapons.

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