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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: MillCreek on December 04, 2024, 09:44:15 AM
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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-ny-post-reports-2024-12-04/
I will be interested to hear if this was random, targeted, or an unhappy consumer of their healthcare insurance.
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This reads like it was a targeted hit
Thompson was fatally shot in the chest in a targeted attack by a masked man, who then fled down 6th Avenue and is being sought by police, witnesses said.
Witnesses said the suspected gunman was seen waiting outside the hotel before the shooting, and knew which door Thompson was going to emerge from before shooting him at point-blank range.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14157375/United-Health-Brian-Thompson-Hilton-Manhattan-shot.html
Silencer used prehaps?
Witness Amar Abdelmula, a driver, told PIX11: 'I wasn't paying attention and then I heard the shot. It was silent gun, black gun, saw him after he shot him and was running across the street. I tried take a picture, but too far away, not clear.
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This bullet point is from the article on CNBC...
"The suspect is described as using a firearm with a silencer, the person said."
So yeah, looks like they're looking in that direction.
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I heard a comment that the shooter may have waited all night for him to show up. Definitely looks like a targeted hit.
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I heard a comment that the shooter may have waited all night for him to show up. Definitely looks like a targeted hit.
What they're saying
JUST IN: The apparent ass*ssin who m*rdered UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in Manhattan used a silencer according to CBS New York.
It is believed that the suspect waited hours for Thompson, with some reports claiming he waited overnight.
https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1864350787758887049
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Sounds like someone lost a family member, while dealing with UHC. Betting they were dragging their feet approving service.
The CEO is where the buck stops and the slugs. Maybe other CEO's should take note of the situation.
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Sounds like someone lost a family member, while dealing with UHC. Betting they were dragging their feet approving service.
The CEO is where the buck stops and the slugs. Maybe other CEO's should take note of the situation.
That was one of my first thoughts. An angry family member who lost a family member because they thought UHC either dragged their feet or denied service.
bob
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Hard to really make out but the black shape appears to be long like you would expect a handgun to be with a silencer
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/12/04/16/92793277-14157375-image-a-71_1733329154103.jpg)
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Video
Appears he had to manually cycle the gun after each shot
https://x.com/StevieStacks84/status/1864375955394838562
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Video
Appears he had to manually cycle the gun after each shot
https://x.com/StevieStacks84/status/1864375955394838562
That makes me wonder if it was a pistol like the B&T pistol that has to be manually cycled. Supposed to be pretty quiet.
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That makes me wonder if it was a pistol like the B&T pistol that has to be manually cycled. Supposed to be pretty quiet.
Interesting malfunctions going on here. I'm guessing this wasn't a professional job, since unfired cartridges are left on scene.
We'll see if fingerprints come off them or not. I'd expect a pro to load the magazines while wearing gloves, and also not run a gun/silencer/ammo combo that doesn't cycle cleanly.
(https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2024/12/NINTCHDBPICT000954508857.jpg?strip=all&w=960)
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That was one of my first thoughts. An angry family member who lost a family member because they thought UHC either dragged their feet or denied service.
bob
Same here. Maybe we'll be able to get the story when they catch him. That'll depend on how much he doesn't want to get caught.
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Maybe he didn’t know you needed a Nielsen device. Maybe running one of those Chinese “fuel filters”
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The last I heard was they rushed him to the hospital but he expired while waiting for the insurance to approve his ER visit. ;)
(Too soon?)
bob
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[tinfoil] on X connecting this with Nancy P
https://x.com/ShadowofEzra/status/1864398068575039671
Note: just because I post some [tinfoil] doesn't mean I believe it just that it may be interesting
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https://youtu.be/kBC1T27XGec?si=OEMcFQOVmkrR6KVM&t=360
Benny Johnson played someone's video that indicated there were some DOJ investigations and potential insider trading issues involving him. May have been a motivation.
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Gun Jesus enters the chat:
https://youtube.com/shorts/POubd0SoCQ8?si=zf2u1cdcFJn9ro_c
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Gun Jesus enters the chat:
https://youtube.com/shorts/POubd0SoCQ8?si=zf2u1cdcFJn9ro_c
And from the other side of the expertise scale:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/former-nypd-inspector-skeptical-unitedhealthcare-ceo-gunman-professional-zeroes-weapon-choice
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ABC News
@ABC
JUST IN: NYPD detectives discover words "deny," "defend" and "depose" written on shell casings found at the scene where the United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson was killed, police say.
https://x.com/ABC/status/1864531338126110935
This down in the comments
close
https://x.com/leah2go/status/1864539201452077118
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GeAshcyW4AA8_Yi?format=jpg&name=small)
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I wonder if there are people at insurance companies today working out whether it is more cost effective to hire 24/7 armed security for their leadership or to accept a certain churn in the C suite.
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Anyways, thanks Obama.
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More
The NYPD is investigating the possible message — which appears to include the words “deny,” “depose” and “defend” — engraved on live rounds and shell casings left behind by the masked assassin after he shot Thompson, 50, several times at about 6:46 a.m. before fleeing, the sources said.
The words are strikingly similar to a 2010 book condemning the insurance business, in which Thompson is one of the most powerful leaders.
“Delay, Deny, Defend” — two of the three words seemingly left — is sub-titled: “Why insurance companies don’t pay claims and what you can do about it.”
Cops had recovered three live 9-millimeter rounds and three discharged casings in front of the Hilton hotel on Sixth Avenue, where Thompson, of Minnesota, was set to host an investors’ conference that morning, police officials said.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/05/us-news/unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompsons-assassin-may-have-left-message-on-bullets-used-in-murder-sources/
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https://x.com/LibertyCappy/status/1864659960035946775
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GeCaWYKXMAEOlhh?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Make me wonder how deeply he engraved the rounds and if that maybe caused some issues?
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Funny how with all the murders that take place in NYC we now have one getting a LOT of press . . . a prominent CEO assassinated on camera with a suppressed firearm.
This happens just as there's talk of reviving something like the Hearing Protection Act and removing suppressors from the NFA.
Hmmm . . . [tinfoil]
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And of course we got people foaming at the mouth if you call them silencers. They should get in their Tardis/DeLorean and go back in time and argue with the patent holder on that.
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https://x.com/Timcast/status/1864676529768136879
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GeCpYuwWQAA1zuI?format=png&name=small)
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And from the other side of the expertise scale:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/former-nypd-inspector-skeptical-unitedhealthcare-ceo-gunman-professional-zeroes-weapon-choice
I think I'd prefer to listen to Ian ...
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Delay, deny, defend.
The real surprise is perhaps why some CEO of a major healthcare insurer hasn't been gunned down before this.
Woke up to find this in my news feed: https://www.asahq.org/about-asa/newsroom/news-releases/2024/11/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-will-not-pay-complete-duration-of-anesthesia-for-surgical-procedures
Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield in several states will now decide what the cap is for anesthesiologists during major surgery. This is a logical follow-up to the long-standing practice by insurance companies of having nurses who have never met or examined the client decide whether or not what the patient's own doctor prescribed is "reasonable."
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Did Brian Thompson know the Clintons?
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Did Brian Thompson know the Clintons?
probably
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Story is getting better.
He instituted AI to keep patients from receiving medical care. Then all the shady financial stuff that he was into.
Dirt bag CEO: 0
Assassin: 1
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Did Brian Thompson know the Clintons?
probably
Obviously a suicide then. Case closed.
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Obviously a suicide then. Case closed.
Only with multiple shots to the back of the head.
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One would think that there would be some insurance rounds... First round was a leg? Maybe he wanted to anchor, but then why no head shot? Only three, plus he shucked three? That's weird...
Sheesh - the guys around here who use the bicycles for their drive-bys will burn a whole gigglestick.
Anyone figure the weapon? Looks like a straight semi-auto - no weird crap...
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If I were to guess (and guess it really is) I'd say it was a standard pretty normal glockish pistol with a home made "Fuel Filter" like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/146243211957 on it.
No booster, so not a full cycle, but it'll run enough to eject the case and get the next round under the ejector. You can see him flinch when he tries for a second shot and gets a click.
So bang (casing on ground), click, rack (live round on ground, round 3 from mag in chamber) repeat x2. That would hive you the three casings and three live rounds on the ground that are being reported.
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Delay, deny, defend.
The real surprise is perhaps why some CEO of a major healthcare insurer hasn't been gunned down before this.
Woke up to find this in my news feed: https://www.asahq.org/about-asa/newsroom/news-releases/2024/11/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-will-not-pay-complete-duration-of-anesthesia-for-surgical-procedures
Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield in several states will now decide what the cap is for anesthesiologists during major surgery. This is a logical follow-up to the long-standing practice by insurance companies of having nurses who have never met or examined the client decide whether or not what the patient's own doctor prescribed is "reasonable."
Being reported they have now reversed that decision
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14163485/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson.html
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If I were to guess (and guess it really is) I'd say it was a standard pretty normal glockish pistol with a home made "Fuel Filter" like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/146243211957 on it.
No booster, so not a full cycle, but it'll run enough to eject the case and get the next round under the ejector. You can see him flinch when he tries for a second shot and gets a click.
So bang (casing on ground), click, rack (live round on ground, round 3 from mag in chamber) repeat x2. That would hive you the three casings and three live rounds on the ground that are being reported.
I think you're right. I saw where some "expert" was willing to bet his pension that it was an exotic pistol like a Welrod. I really hope someone took this "expert" up on his bet. >:D
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As can be expected, the "progressive" left is celebrating this guy's assassination.
Big time.
Stay classy, left wingers. Stay classy.
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On the TV, the "expert" cops they interviewed are back to saying that it was a B&T and that "It is such a rare pistol that only a few gun stores in the country sell them."
I mean, they're expensive, but even my LGS has them, though they mostly carry the PDW types. I suppose sales are small enough that the ATF could trace it, depending of course on the state where the shooter lived. If they wanted to find out if someone bought one at my LGS, if the buyer had a CCW, they never got a NICS check, and the ATF would have to physically go to the store and pull all the paper 4473s (because my LGS thankfully refuses to use electronic 4473s) and hand sort them one by one.
EDIT: Disregard the background check comment. I'm only on coffee #1 and forgot the tax stamp. Which, if the shooter had an IQ above 50 and wanted to avoid being traced, would lead us back to what Dogmush posted.
Military Arms Channel:
https://youtu.be/ul-l0jEgkwA
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Gun Jesus has already put the kaibosh on it being either a Weldrod or a VT9.
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On the TV, the "expert" cops they interviewed are back to saying that it was a B&T and that "It is such a rare pistol that only a few gun stores in the country sell them." . . .
Being a B&T would explain the manual cycling required after every shot, but does it also explain the live founds ejected as well as the fired cases? I think dogmush's explanation fits what we know so far better than what the TV "experts" are saying.
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Gun Jesus has already put the kaibosh on it being either a Weldrod or a VT9.
Well, to be a pedantic jackass, the B&T is technically a Station Six. =)
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OK, so Ian is Gun Jesus.
You're just Gun Jackass.
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As can be expected, the "progressive" left is celebrating this guy's assassination.
Big time.
Stay classy, left wingers. Stay classy.
On that.
You know what would be neat to see? A street camera picking up an assassin who stalked Taylor Lorenz, and getting to watch him shoot her in the leg, and the gut, and then have his gun jam and while he's fiddling with it, you get to watch her writhe around, suffering in excruciating pain. Then when he clears his jam, you can watch her face, showing horrified fear, as he raises the pistol up to put a bullet between her eyes, ending her miserable, pathetic life, because the MSM sucks, and that's what they deserve. Hahahaha!
Did I do it right?
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As can be expected, the "progressive" left is celebrating this guy's assassination.
Big time.
Stay classy, left wingers. Stay classy.
Got to remember this was a mostly peaceful shooting
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If you watch the video, there's a person standing there next to the wall.
When he aims the gun at the CEO, that person turns and walks away slowly.
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https://www.instagram.com/lukewearechange/p/DDNt446pLV0/
(https://i.imgur.com/wwA6ji0.jpeg)
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If you watch the video, there's a person standing there next to the wall.
When he aims the gun at the CEO, that person turns and walks away slowly.
I think that was a hotel porter or valet, who just didn't want to get shot himself. If you're not armed and not willing to wrestle with a man with a gun, getting out of his tunnel vision is generally a smart move.
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I think that was a hotel porter or valet, who just didn't want to get shot himself. If you're not armed and not willing to wrestle with a man with a gun, getting out of his tunnel vision is generally a smart move.
Not sure if it was a porter or valet, but it did seem more like a self-preservation move on his part.
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Not sure if it was a porter or valet, but it did seem more like a self-preservation move on his part.
He has a weapon and you don't and there's nothing you can do for the other guy self-preservation understandably kicks in
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If you watch the video, there's a person standing there next to the wall.
When he aims the gun at the CEO, that person turns and walks away slowly.
Even discounting the whole "Dude has a gun out" thing, What else is that person expected to do?
This is NYC. Daniel Penny to the white courteously phone.
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Even discounting the whole "Dude has a gun out" thing, What else is that person expected to do?
This is NYC. Daniel Penny to the white courteously phone.
Bingo.
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Even discounting the whole "Dude has a gun out" thing, What else is that person expected to do?
This is NYC. Daniel Penny to the white courteously phone.
Dude was focused on his target, not looking to mess with anyone else.
As I said before, this will turn out to be a family member. Hopefully NYPD won't waste to many resources looking.
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Dude was focused on his target, not looking to mess with anyone else.
If I'm ever at the pointy end of a gun during a shooting I hope I move with a little more alacrity. Just because this guy wasn't interested in taking out witnesses doesn't mean you can assume the same in general.
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As can be expected, the "progressive" left is celebrating this guy's assassination.
Big time.
Stay classy, left wingers. Stay classy.
I’m struggling to find sympathy for him too. Not because he was a CEO, which is a main thing for the left, but because of the hot dogshit mess insurance companies, hand in hand with the government, have made of the healthcare system.
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As can be expected, the "progressive" left is celebrating this guy's assassination.
Big time.
Stay classy, left wingers. Stay classy.
But, at the same time, they are also using it to promote the need for more gun control.
All hypocrisy all the time.
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Saying his backpack was found in Central Park. No word on contents yet.
They're also saying they think he left town on a bus.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/06/us-news/nypd-finds-bag-possibly-belonging-to-unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompsons-killer-in-central-park/
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But, at the same time, they are also using it to promote the need for more gun control.
All hypocrisy all the time.
He could have used a knife and they would call for more gun control like they've done before.
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I'm guessing that the weapon went in a sewer or a dumpster, and the shooter is past Chicago by now. If he was careful with the fake IDs, and so on, and if he is a plotting SOB like me, they'll never figure him out. There's that one shot of his face - which could be a few jillion people.
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Most people aren't good enough to outsmart the cops. Mostly because you have to do everything right all the time. They only have to do their thing right once. They can mess up a bunch and still catch you.
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If the shooter took a few basic precautions he'll never be caught. If he wore gloves handling the ammo. If he forever disposed of the gun (or at least the suppressor, and barrel, and extractor). If he didn't leave DNA on anything he ditched nearby.
Biggest factor will be keeping his f'ing mouth shut. Both now, and when he was planning the hit.
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People attacking the hostel for cooperating with the police
Hostel where UnitedHealthCare CEO Brian Thompson’s suspected killer stayed flooded with reviews — some calling them ‘narcs’ for cooperating
https://nypost.com/2024/12/06/us-news/hostel-where-suspect-in-unitedhealthcare-ceo-slaying-stayed-flooded-with-reviews-with-some-calling-them-narcs-for-cooperating/
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Did Brian Thompson know the Clintons?
probably
Obviously a suicide then. Case closed.
On that note
Mike Sington
@MikeSington
“It is a possibility that he hired somebody to kill.” CNN guest Neill Franklin thinks UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson may have hired his own hitman. (Video: CNN)
https://x.com/MikeSington/status/1865119108238389662
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Most people aren't good enough to outsmart the cops. Mostly because you have to do everything right all the time. They only have to do their thing right once. They can mess up a bunch and still catch you.
The police would sure like you to think that. But it's not true.
Nationwide half the murderers get away with it. Large urban centers like NYC and Chicago it's higher. Around 70% of murderers get away with it in Chicago.
Non murder violent crime is worse. Three quarters of rapists and robbers outsmart police.
Refs:
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/29/1172775448/people-murder-unsolved-killings-record-high
https://projects.csgjusticecenter.org/tools-for-states-to-address-crime/the-accountability-gap-unsolved-violent-crime-in-the-united-states/
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All true, but high profile crimes get way more time and attention than property crimes or NHI murders.
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Pretty interesting that no cars seem to have been mentioned. The guy might not be the brightest but he clearly thought it through and thought it through well.
I know a guy associated with outdoor rescue organization. He said the first thing they do for missing people is track their car. According to him just about any car past 2015 can be tracked if you have access to the systems, which they do somehow as a search and rescue op. This is believable considering how Mozilla foundation gave cars "below their worst possible" digital privacy rating. I was reminded of this when I was rolling through a parking lot a while back looking at the various cars. All the older cars, like the much beloved 1999 Corolla I used to have, or anything from the early 2000s, had smooth tops. All the recent cars had some kind of antenna bump on top. Never gave it too much thought since I figured it was for satellite radio or GPS. Now I see the antenna bump much differently and wonder how we ever agreed to have our cars tracked by the government. But we didn't agree. It was done between the corporations and the government; we are just consumers and subjects, pigs in a cage. Another reason I'm sad my 2006 died on me. But even without actual car tracking, there's probably enough toll booths, speed cameras and plate readers you can't go far in a car without being tracked. So things are a lot different than the roaring 20s when getaway cars let gangsters get away with crimes and then disappear out of town. Nowadays if you want to get away with murder you have to leave your phone home and also never get in a car, which this guy seems to have done.
Typical buses and metro systems are surprisingly anonymous. I was reminded of this when I was in DC this summer. If you have cash, you ride--anywhere you want, on any train, circulate and change lines, and get off, and there's no authentication or verification. Even if you use a SmarTrip card, it's a cash-equivalent card....you buy it with cash, it's not associated to you at all; you can swap (I bought one for my son while he was still in the hotel). On systems that still use paper tickets, if you use paper tickets, they can't even associate the exit turnstile with the entrance. If you use a cash card, presumably the ability to match those is there, but I don't know if it's actually used or not. And there's the option of jumping the turnstile or swapping cards with someone...I'm sure with some charm if you had a card with $50 you could swap it with any random somebody who's card is running low and just say you're leaving the city and loaded up too much etc...or just bribe them with more cash than they have on their card.
Buses seem even better because many still allow you to pay straight up cash and get off wherever. I suppose that's why the Claims Adjuster went by bus.
Early reports said he rode a Citibike rental bike at some point. I thought that would be the stupidest thing to do, because you normally need a phone app to ride them, and between that and whatever GPS they obviously have, would just be the stupidest thing to do. Now I'm hearing it wasn't a rental bike. Which means either he relied on being able to steal a bike, he stashed a bike ahead of time (possibly still stolen), or he coordinated with somebody else to stash a bike. And I haven't heard about a bike being identified or recovered either.
The limiting factor for a crime like this seems to be video surveillance. The bus and subway are going to be limited by whatever cameras they have, but there's cameras all over NY anyway. I've been assuming face recognition and AI will change that game to where you can't walk down the street anon anymore, or at least not for much longer, but the fact this guy got out actually is a promising indicator that the surveillance state, even in NY, is far from perfected. A bit of disguise, a swap of clothes, and going through a few surveillance dead spots seems to be enough still.
So basically if you wanted to get away you'd do exactly what this guy did.... leave your phone at home of course. Take a bus into the city, so nobody knows what stop you got on, got off, or even when you came in. Never use a car, because even a hired or stolen car can be tracked nowadays. Some strategic disguise swaps and you're gone. He was probably in another state within 2 hours. Personally I think the hostels angle is a total false lead. Of course the police questioned the hostel and of course there has somebody who checked into the hostel fitting the description (white male, 16-40 yo). The hostel guy is probably completely unrelated person, he's just the only lead they have, although it wouldn't surprise me to see them track down hostel dude and run him through the wringer just so it looks like they have a lead.
I'm more worried about this crime being used as justification for anti-privacy than that it will be used to push gun control.... NYC is already gun control ground zero anyway. More worried about bus systems requiring ID, bikes needing registered, checkpoints, camera swarms in central Park, etc. etc.
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Saying his backpack was found in Central Park. No word on contents yet.
They're also saying they think he left town on a bus.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/06/us-news/nypd-finds-bag-possibly-belonging-to-unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompsons-killer-in-central-park/
So, a push for TSA like controls on busses coming?
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. . . Biggest factor will be keeping his f'ing mouth shut. Both now, and when he was planning the hit.
Good point. Didn't they catch Bernie Goetz (the 1984 subway shooter) because he opened his mouth?
There's an old saying that two people can only keep a secret if one of them is dead . . .
As a general issue - how many OTHER people were murdered in NYC in the month before this CEO killing, and how many in the few days since then? And how do the next of kin of THOSE victims feel about the amount of law enforcement effort being expended on THIS killing vs. the attention the cops gave to the loss of THEIR family?
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Think if Harris won we would be seeing more restrictions on silencers or even a ban in the cards being triggered by this?
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NYC averages between 1 and 2 homicides a day.
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All true, but high profile crimes get way more time and attention than property crimes or NHI murders.
This. With the low-profile violent crimes, it's not so much that the perps outsmart the police as that the police just don't care to expend the energy necessary to solve the crime.
In the case of the United Healthcare CEO, I wonder if the shooter will remain uncaught. He allowed his face to be caught (partially) on camera. We don't know if he ALWAYS wore gloves when handling the firearm and the ammunition. The police have recovered a water bottle they believe was his. If he ever dank from it, even if he wore gloves his DNA will be on it. He apparently ditched the backpack somewhere in Central Park. If they find it, they're almost certain to find his DNA on it or on something in it.
IMHO the CEO was a scumbag, but he was a wealthy and connected scumbag, so there will be a lot of effort devoted to finding the shooter. Stay tuned. [popcorn]
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I found the killer, look at the similarities!
*expletive deleted*in' Muad'Dib got him! 😄
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3154303/
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With those words scratched into the brass, what are the chances he did that without gloves? Same for loading the magazine.
Didn't the news report the police found not only 3 fired brass but also 3 UNFIRED rounds? There was at least one report that a video said he had to rack the gun and clear the chamber, something that happens when using a suppressor, and especially with subsonic rounds.
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With those words scratched into the brass, what are the chances he did that without gloves? Same for loading the magazine.
Didn't the news report the police found not only 3 fired brass but also 3 UNFIRED rounds? There was at least one report that a video said he had to rack the gun and clear the chamber, something that happens when using a suppressor, and especially with subsonic rounds.
Could have cleaned them after engraving. He would be a lot dumber than apparent if he loaded the mag without gloves. At least 2, maybe 3 unfired rounds found from what I saw.
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This is the first I've ever heard of hostels existing in the United States. Am I alone in this?
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This is the first I've ever heard of hostels existing in the United States. Am I alone in this?
Yes.
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Let's also not forget the estranged wife who stood to lose quite a bit of money if homeboy went down for the crimes that he was reportedly being investigated for.
Now she's single and very rich.
Has anyone seen what her pilates instructor looks like? Odds are always good on "wife did it"
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There was at least one report that a video said he had to rack the gun and clear the chamber, something that happens when using a suppressor, and especially with subsonic rounds.
Video in Reply #8
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Divers searching Central Park lake
+ the mayor is saying they has a suspect's name.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14168997/Police-divers-search-Central-Park-lake-New-York-brian-thompson.html
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Really doesn’t have anything to do with this thread but my bro in law was giving us a driving tour and showed us the CEO’s estate a couple years ago.
My but it was grand. His entrance gates and drive probably (certainly) cost more than most nice suburban houses. BIL retired from the company UHC.
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Divers searching Central Park lake
+ the mayor is saying they has a suspect's name.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14168997/Police-divers-search-Central-Park-lake-New-York-brian-thompson.html
Bull. They said this 48 hours ago, too. Didn't release a name.
They're sweating the guy, trying to get him to turn himself in, or to get anyone in the public that has leads but is hesitant due to anticorporate sympathies, to decide to call the cops before rewards disappear.
They don't have a name.
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This is the first I've ever heard of hostels existing in the United States. Am I alone in this?
Yes.
Hostels are wonderful ways to see all sorts of parts of the US. While mostly used by teens and 20-somethings, they're open to all ages. I just used a hostel with a group of friends up in Dolores, CO earlier this year. Awesome little hostel. Super clean, spartan, inexpensive, and fun way to socialize with other travelers.
This particular one was themed towards mountain bikers, but they didn't mind us "ADV dads" coming through and staying.
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There was at least one report that a video said he had to rack the gun and clear the chamber, something that happens when using a suppressor, and especially with subsonic rounds.
Subsonic rounds, at least in 9mm which these were, have basically the same energy as supers, and don't affect the gun's cycling with or without a can.
He almost certainly had a homebuilt can, and the lack of a booster is almost certainly why it was cycling sluggishly, not the ammo. I have 3 or 4 pistols I shoot suppressed and they all cycle fine with subs.
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FBI is involved and according to a TV report I saw they're offering a $50,000 reward . . . how often does the FBI get involved in murder investigations?
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FBI is involved and according to a TV report I saw they're offering a $50,000 reward . . . how often does the FBI get involved in murder investigations?
In this case probably because they are pretty sure the shooter has crossed state lines.
bob
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Shirts for sale
https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1865590637866926117
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Shirts for sale
https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1865590637866926117
So these are cool, but my Gadsden t-shirt is extremist. Got it.
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Reportedly the backpack contained a jacket and Monopoly money
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Did anyone mention he should get rid of the box of original ammo and maybe the engraving device? I don't know if that's a legitimate concern, but who knows what these forensic experts can come up with. It looks like shucking the backpack, if that was his, was a mistake. "Any dumpster in a storm." (I can't imagine Mr. Anybody just dropping a back pack and forgetting it there.)
And why would he venture into this kind of premed crime carrying a backpack anyway, let alone containing those items? Was it a stolen backpack, worn to quickly change his description by shucking it? It's almost as if he wanted someone to find it.
And I'm not one to kite off on tranny stuff, but those face images look pretty girlish. And he flirted with someone? This individual may be a master of misdirection.
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Shirts for sale
https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1865590637866926117
Meh. No different than the "Resist" T-shirt from the Bundy standoff in Nevada, with a guy aiming a Mini-14 between cement highway barriers at BLM agents.
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Meh. No different than the "Resist" T-shirt from the Bundy standoff in Nevada, with a guy aiming a Mini-14 between cement highway barriers at BLM agents.
How many of those agents were killed?
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He obviously wanted the backpack to be found. It had Monopoly money in it which is clearly a joke or political statement. And yes, the backpack may have been a ringer with the sole purpose of making it easier to change disguise.
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Did anyone mention he should get rid of the box of original ammo and maybe the engraving device? I don't know if that's a legitimate concern, but who knows what these forensic experts can come up with. It looks like shucking the backpack, if that was his, was a mistake. "Any dumpster in a storm." (I can't imagine Mr. Anybody just dropping a back pack and forgetting it there.)
And why would he venture into this kind of premed crime carrying a backpack anyway, let alone containing those items? Was it a stolen backpack, worn to quickly change his description by shucking it? It's almost as if he wanted someone to find it.
And I'm not one to kite off on tranny stuff, but those face images look pretty girlish. And he flirted with someone? This individual may be a master of misdirection.
It seems to me the the backpack, jacket, and hood/mask could have been obtained at a Goodwill or second hand store. How well do they clean those when they resell them? Would it have lots of previous DNA on it? If he hung out nearby as a homeless person for a few days no telling what is on the clothes.
The backpack likely had a change of clothes (at least a different jacket, hood, mask) so he could get clear. By now he probably hasn't shaved and doesn't look like the photo too much. The other photos that were circulating that were supposedly the shooter didn't look too much like him to me.
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Subsonic rounds, at least in 9mm which these were, have basically the same energy as supers, and don't affect the gun's cycling with or without a can.
He almost certainly had a homebuilt can, and the lack of a booster is almost certainly why it was cycling sluggishly, not the ammo. I have 3 or 4 pistols I shoot suppressed and they all cycle fine with subs.
That has been my experience. However, I don't remember anyone telling me the booster device was for reliability when I first got a pistol suppressor. They always said it the suppressor would eventually get damaged if you didn't use one. I guess it depends on the gun.
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MechAg94 remarked,
"How well do they clean those when they resell them?"
Doesn't matter. Once they're on the rack, dozens of people pawing through the clothes would have left DNA on them.
"Would it have lots of previous DNA on it?"
My bet: Yes. Along with the other clothes and possibly Monopoly money.
I guess you could say it's diluting and contaminating the sample. Jokingly, I can hear the DNA esults: "Only one in 4.3 people in the whole population can have the same DNA markers." Just a joke, but....
Don't know anything about silencers / suppressors, but it seems to me that anything that slows down the recoil jet effect of the gun's exhaust gases might reduce the recoil available to operate the gun's mechanism... resulting in lower reliability of operation....? Sort of like throttling a rocket engine or muzzling a jet plane exhaust....? As in thrust reversers? Still thinking about that one...
Unsilenced muzzle blast 5000 psi, silenced muzzle blast only 1000 psi...?
Normal muzzle blast recoil pushed back on the mechanism, but with a "suppressor" the gases are now pushing the "suppressor" forward as well.
Action / reaction? Different subject, different thread?
What would Uncle Ike Newton say?
Terry, 230RN
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That has been my experience. However, I don't remember anyone telling me the booster device was for reliability when I first got a pistol suppressor. They always said it the suppressor would eventually get damaged if you didn't use one. I guess it depends on the gun.
I was told the booster was for tilt barrel pistols to reliably cycle. I don't have any 1911s with threaded barrels, but I assume they are direct thread?
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Seems to me the sudden upward torque of a tilt barrel might put too much stress on the threading and would, by its sheer "angular mass" inhibit the locking / unlocking principles involved. I note the straight-line lockup of the 92 would not affect torquey strain on the threading.
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Could have cleaned them after engraving. He would be a lot dumber than apparent if he loaded the mag without gloves. At least 2, maybe 3 unfired rounds found from what I saw.
I think "engraving" may have been media embellishment. At least one report suggested that the words were written on the cases with a marker -- probably a Sharpie.
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This is the first I've ever heard of hostels existing in the United States. Am I alone in this?
Like you, I was not aware that such things exist in the U.S.
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When younger, poorer and dumber I stayed at a hostel in St. Louis several times on long road trips. When you just need a bed, bathroom and optional shower it's way cheaper than a hotel ($20 if I remember).
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Stayed as hostles in NZ. Never here. I think they're mostly a big city thing and I actively avoid spending time in big cities.
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Another example of how the establishment reacts to a rich guys murder VS some poor schmuck in the hood.
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I was told the booster was for tilt barrel pistols to reliably cycle. I don't have any 1911s with threaded barrels, but I assume they are direct thread?
The only time I tried it with a 1911, I still used a booster. It was the stress on the threads of the suppressor that I heard could cause damage over time. The only reliability issues I had shooting suppressed were with guns or ammo that had issues in the first place. I traded off a CZ 75 Tactical that just had issues.
The pistol used may have been some sort of Polymer 80 build (or similar home build) that wasn't reliable without a suppressor. With a homemade suppressor on top of that, all bets are off.
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Garand "Fat Bottom Girls" Thumb just put out a video on it.
A few interesting points, with his thoughts of "most likely" being a crappy homemade can without a booster. They did pose one off the wall comment about the possibility of the shooter buying standard 9mm at the big box or wherever, popping the bullet, and removing powder to make it subsonic.
Seems unlikely, but then while I have seen subsonic .300BLK at the Sportsman's Warehouse and whatnot, I don't think I've ever seen subsonic 9MM at a big box. I'm not even sure if my LGS normally stocks it. I mostly see it at the mail order places.
Which, have we discussed yet subsonic vs supersonic? I would guess that supersonic would be less likely to not cycle, even without a booster. GT mentioned in his video that they test fired multiple cans that all cycled without a booster, but did mention they were all higher end cans, so probably pretty lightweight.
https://youtu.be/nIbY6lo0RIw
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I've seen subsonic 9mm fairly frequently, generally specialty 147 to 155 gr. rounds for self defense, that are subsonic by design of the heavy bullet.
Winchester Defense 9mm 147-gr. HP runs around 990 fps. I'm assuming that's in a standard 5" Beretta 92-length barrel.
In a shorter barrel it might drop below that.
So yeah, I suspect we have all seen subsonic ammo at our local gunstores and box stores, we've just not registered that it's subsonic because it's not advertised as such.
That said, has any information been given on the bullet weight used in this murder?
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Don't know anything about silencers / suppressors, but it seems to me that anything that slows down the recoil jet effect of the gun's exhaust gases might reduce the recoil available to operate the gun's mechanism... resulting in lower reliability of operation....? Sort of like throttling a rocket engine or muzzling a jet plane exhaust....? As in thrust reversers? Still thinking about that one...
Unsilenced muzzle blast 5000 psi, silenced muzzle blast only 1000 psi...?
Normal muzzle blast recoil pushed back on the mechanism, but with a "suppressor" the gases are now pushing the "suppressor" forward as well.
Action / reaction? Different subject, different thread?
What would Uncle Ike Newton say?
Terry, 230RN
Muzzle blast has no (or negligible) effect on the slide cycling the slide and barrel assembly are, for all practical purposes, moving rear ward as fast as they ever will be before the bullet clears the muzzle.
Muzzle gasses are not what operate a Browning action pistol.
Uncle Newton would say that F=MA and the F imparted to the breech is determined by the M and A of the bullet. That's why Subs still function fine. A is a little lower, but M is higher, so F is the same.
Seems to me the sudden upward torque of a tilt barrel might put too much stress on the threading and would, by its sheer "angular mass" inhibit the locking / unlocking principles involved. I note the straight-line lockup of the 92 would not affect torquey strain on the threading.
No. The threading is more than strong enough, and the movement of the muzzle up in recoil eclipses the tilting anyway.
I was told the booster was for tilt barrel pistols to reliably cycle. I don't have any 1911s with threaded barrels, but I assume they are direct thread?
My 1911 still needs a booster to operate reliably. Also 1911's are tilting barrel pistols.
The purpose of the booster is to temporarily disengage the Mass[/] of the suppressor from the locked together slide/barrel assembly. F=MA again. If you significantly increase the Mass of that assembly, while keeping the Force the same, it's acceleration rearward is significantly slowed, and it won't have the energy to do everything it needs to to cycle.
The booster let's the slide/barrel start moving backwards while the Mass of the suppressor just "floats" on the booster piston due to inertia. By the time the booster spring catches up and slams the can back into place the slide is already unlocked and most of the way to ejecting the case, so the can's mass is irrelevent.
The bullet, meanwhile, is feet downgrade and the pressure in the bore is rapidly approaching ambient.
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Seems unlikely, but then while I have seen subsonic .300BLK at the Sportsman's Warehouse and whatnot, I don't think I've ever seen subsonic 9MM at a big box. I'm not even sure if my LGS normally stocks it. I mostly see it at the mail order places.
Which, have we discussed yet subsonic vs supersonic? I would guess that supersonic would be less likely to not cycle, even without a booster. GT mentioned in his video that they test fired multiple cans that all cycled without a booster, but did mention they were all higher end cans, so probably pretty lightweight.
147gr 9mm is subsonic as long as it isn't +P. I haven't bought ammo at a gunstore in a decade at least, but I think that's still pretty common.
As I mentioned earlier, the muzzle energy (and thus force applied to operating the slide) from 115gr supersonic 9mm and 147gr subsonic 9mm is functionally the same. In the low 300ft-lbs.
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147gr 9mm is subsonic as long as it isn't +P. I haven't bought ammo at a gunstore in a decade at least, but I think that's still pretty common.
As I mentioned earlier, the muzzle energy (and thus force applied to operating the slide) from 115gr supersonic 9mm and 147gr subsonic 9mm is functionally the same. In the low 300ft-lbs.
I was going to post that as well. I haven't looked for "subsonic" 9mm in a long time. I just get 147 grain 9mm ammo.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-questioned-pennsylvania-similar-gun-used-unitedhealthcare-ceo-shoo-rcna183443
Supposedly police are "questioning" someone in Pennsylvania with a gun "similar" to that used by the gunman.
No arrest, no word on whether it's someone they pulled off a bus, no word if he's a PA local or in transit elsewhere, no word on if the "similar firearm" has a suppressor on it.
My guess is he's being "detained" while they get a compulsory DNA sample somehow and spend grotesque amounts of money to get DNA test results inside the 24 hour window, and maybe get forensics info off the gun.
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^^^
The photo I saw on Fox News certainly looks like the guy, hoodie and all. Though he's wearing a covid mask, so no clear face photo.
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You'd have to be actually retarded to still have the gun 6 days later in another state.
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You'd have to be actually retarded to still have the gun 6 days later in another state.
A lot of these types think they're too smart to get caught and add to that he may have had another target in mind.
If this is him of course.
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Being reported the suspect had a manifesto, a gun and silencer, 4 fake IDs, on him
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14174379/brian-thompson-unitedhealthcare-ceo-latest-hunt-pennsylvania.html
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Being reported the suspect had a manifesto on him, a gun and silencer, 4 fake IDs
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14174379/brian-thompson-unitedhealthcare-ceo-latest-hunt-pennsylvania.html
If it's the guy, I'll be curious on if it's the same gun and can, or if he had multiple guns and cans (if this was gonna be a "serial" thing).
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https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/09/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-shooter-monday/index.html
I will want to read the manifesto to see if this was personal for the suspected shooter.
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Fan of the Unabomber and a anti-capitalist climate-change activist
Libs of TikTok
@libsoftiktok
BREAKING: Person of interest in UHC CEO shooting who was taken into custody identified as Luigi Mangione, an anti-capitalist climate-change activist and former Ivy League student. On his goodreads account, he liked quotes from “Unabomber’’ Ted Kaczynski.
He was reportedly caught using a fake ID in Pennsylvania with a manifesto that listed grievances with the healthcare industry.
Source - NYP
https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1866188232930840840
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Too soon?
https://x.com/VomitRomney/status/1866188378825162944
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So another violent leftist? OK, fits the pattern. I wouldn't have guessed it though.
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If it's the guy, I'll be curious on if it's the same gun and can, or if he had multiple guns and cans (if this was gonna be a "serial" thing).
If it's the same gun and can he's too stupid to remain free.
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The person of interest is a big lefty activist? His victim was an evil capitalist health insurance executive. How long before this story disappears from the news cycle?
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Has a fan club
Libs of TikTok
@libsoftiktok
This TikToker says that people "should be able to ass*ss*nate" and that the person who shot the UHC CEO is "sexy".
https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1866202489676042460
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Saw some of her posts right after the shooting and yeah she was.
Darth Crypto null af
@DefNotDarth
The account of the “person of interest” in UHC CEO #BrianThompson killing, @PepMangione
, was followed by @TaylorLorenz
herself.
The “journalist” was fired from Vox today for encouraging this violence against executives and applauding the murder.
https://x.com/Ran_Dumb_Libs/status/1866203024164593684
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And just like that 3-D printing of guns will be a good thing to the left.
Ghost gun found on suspect in CEO shooting could have been 3D-printed
Joseph Kenny, the chief of detectives at NYPD has said the ghost gun found on Mangione may have been created using a 3D printer.
He added that it can fire a nine-millimeter bullet.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14174379/brian-thompson-unitedhealthcare-ceo-latest-hunt-pennsylvania.html
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Has a fan club
https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1866202489676042460
Between the post-election Handmaids, people like this, and what BLM is saying right now, anybody who asks me why I carry a gun everyday is a moron.
I'm actually starting to get worried that all these mental defectives are going to blow come January, if not earlier. I feel bad for normal people who live in areas where bad stuff is likely to happen.
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Saw some of her posts right after the shooting and yeah she was.
Wow. Old lady Taylor might have really put her foot in it this time, with all her "joy" about the murder last week.
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I'm sure that lots more info will be coming out, and that much of what is out there now will be shown as inaccurate. Just from what I'm reading now, this guy seems to be some kind of dual personality high IQ/moron. One personality had the wherewithal to 3D print a gun (and maybe the can), get all kinds of fake IDs and make other intelligent planning decisions, but then the other personality allowed him to get caught with all the evidence?
"Responding officers questioned the suspect, who was acting suspiciously and was carrying multiple fraudulent IDs, as well as a U.S. passport. Upon further investigation, officers recovered a firearm on his person as well as a suppressor, both consistent with the weapon used in the murder," she added.
"They also recovered clothing, including a mask consistent with those worn by our wanted individual. Also recovered was a fraudulent new Jersey ID matching the ID our suspect used to check into his New York City hostel before the shooting incident," Tisch said. "Additionally, officers recovered a handwritten document that speaks to both his motivation and mindset."
NYPD detectives are now heading to Pennsylvania to interview Mangione further.
NYPD Chief of Detectives Joseph Kenny said Mangione has no prior arrest history in New York.
He was born and raised in Maryland and has ties to San Francisco, California, with his last known address in Honolulu, Hawaii, according to Kenny.
Speaking about the manifesto that reportedly was found on Mangione in Altoona, Kenny said "We don't think that there's any specific threats to other people mentioned in that document, but it does seem that he has some, some ill will toward corporate America."
"He's going to be facing gun charges there. And at some point, we'll work out through extradition to bring him back to New York to face charges here, working with the Manhattan District Attorney's Office," Kenny continued.
Kenny also said Mangione "was in possession of a ghost gun that had the capability of firing a nine millimeter round and a suppressor."
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I'm sure that lots more info will be coming out, and that much of what is out there now will be shown as inaccurate. Just from what I'm reading now, this guy seems to be some kind of dual personality high IQ/moron. One personality had the wherewithal to 3D print a gun (and maybe the can), get all kinds of fake IDs and make other intelligent planning decisions, but then the other personality allowed him to get caught with all the evidence?
A High-IQ Type with a God complex. Thoroughly convinced he's too smart to be caught.
Brad
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^^^Right up to the time that they are caught.
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Meanwhile on Bluesky
https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1865960856518807912
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Meanwhile on Bluesky
You can tell it's fake because Elon isn't holding his child as a human shield. ;/
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During the arrest of Luigi Mangione , police found multiple fraudulent IDs, a U.S. passport, and a firearm with a suppressor. Additionally, officers recovered a handwritten MANIFESTO.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-questioned-pennsylvania-similar-gun-used-unitedhealthcare-ceo-shoo-rcna183443
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I'm sure that lots more info will be coming out, and that much of what is out there now will be shown as inaccurate. Just from what I'm reading now, this guy seems to be some kind of dual personality high IQ/moron. One personality had the wherewithal to 3D print a gun (and maybe the can), get all kinds of fake IDs and make other intelligent planning decisions, but then the other personality allowed him to get caught with all the evidence?
He may not have actually made the gun. Just got it from someone else.
That said, maybe all the things we heard about how well planned this looked are overblown. Hard to imagine even a short planning session wouldn't include dumping the weapon and clothes and fake ID. Certainly dumping the manifesto of all things. If you are going to keep all of that, he might as well have waited for the cops at the scene.
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He may not have actually made the gun. Just got it from someone else.
That said, maybe all the things we heard about how well planned this looked are overblown. Hard to imagine even a short planning session wouldn't include dumping the weapon and clothes and fake ID. Certainly dumping the manifesto of all things. If you are going to keep all of that, he might as well have waited for the cops at the scene.
As I and others have said he may have thought he was too smart to be caught.
From things like this he may have been convinced he really was that smart.
Suspected shooter's 'self-improvement' social media presence
Mangione often posted his ideas of self-improvement on social media - and his X account was littered with him responding to big thinkers.
He interacted with people like neuroscientist Andrew Huberman and writer Tim Urban.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14174379/brian-thompson-unitedhealthcare-ceo-latest-hunt-pennsylvania.html
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Not grinning anymore
https://x.com/catturd2/status/1866260339991462256
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Video appears to be gone
Cryptic YouTube video from account 'linked' to Luigi Mangione issues chilling warning
An unconfirmed YouTube account using the alleged shooters name and photo posted an eerie message hours after his arrest.
'If you see this, I'm already under arrest,' the silent 84 second clip is captioned.
The video displayed a 60 second countdown then jumped to screen that said,'Soon... Dec 11th.'
'All is scheduled, be patient. Bye for now,' stated the final message displayed on the screen.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14174379/brian-thompson-unitedhealthcare-ceo-latest-hunt-pennsylvania.html
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https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/1866212256913998258
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From Maryland and attended a $40K/yr high school? Definitely limousine liberal upbringing.
Mangione was valedictorian of his 2016 high school graduating class at the Gilman School in Baltimore, where he played soccer, according to online sites. High school tuition at the all-boys school is nearly $40,000 a year."
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From Maryland and attended a $40K/yr high school? Definitely limousine liberal upbringing.
Family is shall we say well off
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14175083/Luigi-Mangione-heir-holiday-resort-fortune-created-grandparents-sister-whos-doctor.html
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His fan base keep trying to set up GoFundMe accounts but they keep getting taken down
https://x.com/dpistulka/status/1866265815567278461
When I say fan base I mean fan base. Seen posts by woman gushing over him.
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Aaaand now he's right wing
Krystal Ball
@krystalball
PLOT TWIST! The UnitedHealth CEO killer was apparently a right wing fan of Elon Musk, Tucker Carlson, Thiel, Huberman and other right and right adjacent personalties.
2:00 PM · Dec 9, 2024
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https://x.com/krystalball/status/1866196256051040548
She use to be a MSNBC host if that tells you anything
Krystal Ball Uncovers PLOT TWIST! UHC CEO Suspect Was Right-Wing Fan of Elon Musk
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/12/09/krystal-ball-uncovers-plot-twist-uhc-ceo-suspect-was-right-wing-fan-of-elon-musk-n2404939
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Hmm. That looks li,e a Chairmanwon V1 G19 frame. I have a couple lying around here somewhere.
I suspect the 3D printer banning folks are going to go batshit.
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Wow. Old lady Taylor might have really put her foot in it this time, with all her "joy" about the murder last week.
Here's an example
End Wokeness
@EndWokeness
Taylor Lorenz on how it felt to watch CEO Brian Thompson's execution: "I felt joy"
https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1866270343502893104
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Did he pee his pants?
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Did he pee his pants?
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Probably.
Luigi Mangione, the suspect in the shooting death of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, started shaking when police in Altoona, Pa., approached him Monday at a McDonalds, court documents revealed.
Also, they claim that the can was 3D printed (Source: Fox News).
Officers found a black 3D-printed pistol and a black silencer in Mangione's backpack, court documents say. The pistol had a metal slide and a plastic handle with a metal threaded barrel.
The pistol had one loaded Glock magazine with six nine-millimeter full metal jacket rounds, documents said. Police said the silencer was also 3D printed.
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If it's the same gun and can he's too stupid to remain free.
Beat me to it.
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Did he pee his pants?
Probably.
Luigi Mangione, the suspect in the shooting death of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, started shaking when police in Altoona, Pa., approached him Monday at a McDonalds, court documents revealed.
Need to make sure everyone in his fan club sees that
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So many folks have been dissecting his evasion... And the mix of concentration on detail and... squirrel!
I probably wouldn't have run the silencer. New York? That'd ensure that everyone in that block or two would vanish for a bit...
The hostel and a fake id? Cool, fairly anonymous, etc...
Actually talking to anyone/anywhere beyond "I want coffee" - moronic
And NEVER take the damn covid mask off. And wear fake glasses.
The bike? Assuming it was either stolen or a burner card was used. Same for the hostel if they wouldn't take cash...)
Bus ticket? Cash. Bus was a good idea.
Could have likely hunkered, and waited out the bolo...
That gun and can should have been in pieces in random sewers or dumpsters or pickups within five minutes of the event. Gloves go in some nasty trash can. And he should have worn gloves whenever around the gun and while loading the magazines.
Manifesto? Did he WANT to get caught?
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Libs of TikTok
@libsoftiktok
Trans tiktoker wants to “beat the sh*t” out of the McDonald’s worker who called the police on the alleged UHC CEO k*ller
https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1866305872668020945
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:laugh:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3qpYiPvrnY
VSO did a decent job summarizing the issues with the pistol and demonstrated it. Probably recorded before the gun pictures surfaced.
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So many folks have been dissecting his evasion... And the mix of concentration on detail and... squirrel!
I probably wouldn't have run the silencer. New York? That'd ensure that everyone in that block or two would vanish for a bit...
The hostel and a fake id? Cool, fairly anonymous, etc...
Actually talking to anyone/anywhere beyond "I want coffee" - moronic
And NEVER take the damn covid mask off. And wear fake glasses.
The bike? Assuming it was either stolen or a burner card was used. Same for the hostel if they wouldn't take cash...)
Bus ticket? Cash. Bus was a good idea.
Could have likely hunkered, and waited out the bolo...
That gun and can should have been in pieces in random sewers or dumpsters or pickups within five minutes of the event. Gloves go in some nasty trash can. And he should have worn gloves whenever around the gun and while loading the magazines.
Manifesto? Did he WANT to get caught?
For a supposedly bright guy (dummies don't get to be valedictorian at elite prep schools) he didn't exhibit much common sense. Five days later, he still had the same clothes and the same fake ID he used at the hostel -- and the gun and suppressor. Now THAT's world-class stupid. Whether or not he should have dumped any or all of it in NYC before even unassing the area of operations, somewhere between NYC and Altoona, PA, he certainly should have dumped the gun, the suppressor, the backpack, any clothing he wore while in NYC, and ALL phony IDs.
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From Maryland and attended a $40K/yr high school? Definitely limousine liberal upbringing.
From what I have read, that is the typical type that goes for revolutionary groups and communism.
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Libs of TikTok
@libsoftiktok
Professor Julia Alekseyeva, a professor at @PennEnglish
@Penn
appears to celebrate the alleged UHC CEO ass*ssin and the fact that he went to University of Pennsylvania and calls him an “icon”
https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1866357249767010707
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For a supposedly bright guy (dummies don't get to be valedictorian at elite prep schools) he didn't exhibit much common sense. Five days later, he still had the same clothes and the same fake ID he used at the hostel -- and the gun and suppressor. Now THAT's world-class stupid. Whether or not he should have dumped any or all of it in NYC before even unassing the area of operations, somewhere between NYC and Altoona, PA, he certainly should have dumped the gun, the suppressor, the backpack, any clothing he wore while in NYC, and ALL phony IDs.
Are you being sarcastic or do you really believe it's the same guy? I haven't heard anything as laughably phony since the covid era.
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Are you being sarcastic or do you really believe it's the same guy? I haven't heard anything as laughably phony since the covid era.
Is anyone else confused? I'm confused.
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Nothing has set off any red flags for me yet
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Is anyone else confused? I'm confused.
There is a group of folks on the internet that do not believe the guy arrested in PA was the guy that pulled the trigger in NYC. The theory is that this Luigi guy is a patsy and the evidence was planted on him for some reason.
It sounds zahc may be part of this group.
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Are you being sarcastic or do you really believe it's the same guy? I haven't heard anything as laughably phony since the covid era.
You mean it's really a triple double super duper extra false flag because Trump actually killed the guy?
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There is a group of folks on the internet that do not believe the guy arrested in PA was the guy that pulled the trigger in NYC. The theory is that this Luigi guy is a patsy and the evidence was planted on him for some reason.
It sounds zahc may be part of this group.
I try not to leave any possibilities closed off these days, but this is likely a case of stupidity being the truth rather than conspiracy.
That said, I was a bit shocked that he was caught red handed with all the evidence including a manifesto. :facepalm: About the only thing that still gives me pause is I don't think he looks like that initial photo. I could be wrong on that.
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"That said, I was a bit shocked that he was caught red handed with all the evidence including a manifesto. "
Why is it we always seem to assume that a criminal doing some high-profile crime is somehow a Bloefeld-level super criminal mastermind?
It's always a case of "It can't be him! He's a false flag because NO criminal who could pull off something like this would ever be so stupid!"
Jesus Christ... ;/
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Article doesn't say but I wonder if he somehow connected and blamed his condition on the CEO or decided he was guilty by association
Brian Thompson shooting suspect Luigi Mangione suffered a back injury so severe he was unable to have sex, a former roommate said.
RJ Martin lived with the murder defendant for six months at a Hawaii co-living space and told The New York Times about 26 year-old Mangione's secret agony.
'He knew that dating and being physically intimate with his back condition wasn’t possible,' Mr Martin told The Times.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14177517/luigi-mangione-injury-sex-brian-thompson.html
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Brian Thompson shooting suspect Luigi Mangione suffered a back injury so severe he was unable to have sex, a former roommate said.
Well, that should cut down on the women fawning all over him on the interwebz.
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Well, that should cut down on the women fawning all over him on the interwebz.
Saw one where she described all the different way she wanted to have sex with him. If I had to guess she's 300lb with blue hair. [barf]
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Saw one where she described all the different way she wanted to have sex with him. If I had to guess she's 300lb with blue hair. [barf]
Well, at least one whackadoodle lefty still has her hair and is still willing to have sex with men.
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I try not to leave any possibilities closed off these days, but this is likely a case of stupidity being the truth rather than conspiracy.
That said, I was a bit shocked that he was caught red handed with all the evidence including a manifesto. :facepalm: About the only thing that still gives me pause is I don't think he looks like that initial photo. I could be wrong on that.
This kind of parallels what I've been thinking. Maybe he read crime novels and watched TV to plan his crime, and just didn't think things through to the end. Or he's SO SMART he assumed everyone who'd be looking for him was too stupid to catch someone as brilliant as he knew he was.
Maybe - it being New York - he didn't expect that much of a manhunt; after all, NYC doesn't expend anywhere near that effort trying to to catch the perps in their everyday ordinary murders. Or maybe he wanted to get caught for some bizarre reason.
Being caught, days later, WITH the murder weapon, false IDs, etc. . . . . :facepalm:
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Saw one where she described all the different way she wanted to have sex with him. If I had to guess she's 300lb with blue hair. [barf]
Yes, I could see how that might aggravate a back injury.
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Calls to boycott the MsD's
The Pennsylvania McDonald's where Luigi Mangione was arrested on Monday was 'review bombed' by trolls after staff blew his cover and summoned the police.
The fast food joint in Altoona was hit by a wave of online backlash after an employee notified authorities about Mangione, leading to his arrest for killing UnitedHealthcare executive Brian Thompson.
The negative comments aimed at McDonald's were the latest in 'review bombing,' where an establishment is hit with a litany of bad reviews based on a political view or an occurrence unrelated to its actual business.
About 100 negative and one-star reviews showed up after Mangione, 26, was captured at the restaurant with most criticizing the restaurant and its staff.
And apparently his mother had reported him missing in Nov
Luigi Mangione's mother Kathleen Mangione reported him missing to San Francisco police on November 18, just over two weeks before Brian Thompson's murder.
A police source revealed the report to the San Francisco Standard, although it is unclear why Kathleen contacted cops in the City by the Bay.
Mangione grew up in Baltimore, where his parents continue to live, although public records show he has multiple relatives in San Francisco.
The 26 year-old engineer lived in Honolulu until shortly before Brian Thompson's murder and is accused of traveling to New York City late last month before shooting Thompson, 50, dead on December 4.
Mangione was arrested at a McDonald's in Altoona, Pennsylvania, on Monday morning.
He is being held in custody at the nearby State Correctional Institution Huntingtdon while awaiting extradition back to New York, where he faces a murder charge.
Mangione's family released a statement in the wake of his arrest saying they are 'devastated' by their son's alleged behavior and sending their condolences to Brian Thompson's family.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14177405/Luigi-Mangione-Unitedhealthcare-CEO-brian-thompson-shooter-family-manifesto.html
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This guy is DEFINITELY a false-flag patsy!
Everyone knows that a criminal mastermind capable of carrying off this kind of crime definitely doesn't have family, and decidedly not a Mother!
They are lab hatched and raised!
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Free Luigi, he's hot!
I will never understand women
https://x.com/ClownWorld_/status/1866545380244283448
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"That said, I was a bit shocked that he was caught red handed with all the evidence including a manifesto. "
Why is it we always seem to assume that a criminal doing some high-profile crime is somehow a Bloefeld-level super criminal mastermind?
It's always a case of "It can't be him! He's a false flag because NO criminal who could pull off something like this would ever be so stupid!"
Jesus Christ... ;/
Even Simple Jack (or Forrest Gump if you prefer) would have realized that maybe he should dump all the evidence and not hold on to it as a keep-sake. Bloefeld intelect not required.
... But, yes, arrogance is a fatal flaw in many men so that is as good an explanation as any.
Also, the fact that he was writing or had written a manifesto seems to imply he was planning to make that public in some way. Maybe he had some plan to give it to someone with the evidence at some point.
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Yup, *expletive deleted*bag is another liberal rich kid, just like the ones who block the freeway and spray paint art. Except, of course, he murders people. He's certainly trying to get his "made for TV" movie quotes in though.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1866559992142369023
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Relevant part occurs around the 20 second mark
https://youtu.be/I8O_C7T5H_s
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Even Simple Jack (or Forrest Gump if you prefer) would have realized that maybe he should dump all the evidence and not hold on to it as a keep-sake. Bloefeld intelect not required.
... But, yes, arrogance is a fatal flaw in many men so that is as good an explanation as any.
Also, the fact that he was writing or had written a manifesto seems to imply he was planning to make that public in some way. Maybe he had some plan to give it to someone with the evidence at some point.
Of course, there's another explanation...
He had a deeply seated personal grudge.
He was writing a manifesto.
He wasn't getting rid of the evidence.
He wasn't changing his appearance or going into deep hiding.
Sounds to me like he WANTED to be caught. He expected to be caught. He just decided to make the process interesting, to see how much additional drama he could gin up. Because that drama would make people even more interested in him and his "cause."
He's not a false flag operation, he's not a criminal mastermind, he not any of the many things people are saying he is.
He's a slowly evolved zealot who decided to strike a blow for the little people against the wrongs perpetrated by the evil big corporations and their handlers.
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K Frame, that may fit. I am hearing he had some sort of lower back injury (and surgery) that may have affected some functions below that.
Regardless, I don't want to close the door on other possibilities. All evidence points to what you are saying so far.
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Full manifesto.
Really kind of short as manifestos usually go and basically a rant against heath care in America and United in particular
https://x.com/Breaking911/status/1866597894557495428
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He's a slowly evolved zealot who decided to strike a blow for the little people against the wrongs perpetrated by the evil big corporations and their handlers.
I'm not even sure we can call him a zealot. Maybe a pseudo-zealot (but then maybe a lot of zealots are just pseudo-zealots) because, and again, the information flow is ever-changing, but I'm getting the impression that this was all about him and his particular insurance case that he thought he was getting screwed on. All his "power to the people" crap is either him consciously trying to promote his selfish actions as selfless and being Robin Hood-like, or his brain trying to subconsciously justify what he's doing for himself as some righteous cause for society. Which, I guess the latter would fall under actual "zealot".
As it appears that his family is valued well into eight figures, one wonders why his family didn't just do a cash negotiation for what the insurance didn't cover, if it was that life-affecting of an injury.
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When I heard about the engraved brass and leaving behind the backpack I knew he wanted to get caught
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I guess trying to understand crazy people is a fool's errand after all, but I just don't understand why not turn yourself in vs. carry around all the evidence needed to incriminate you for 4 days until you are conveniently "caught". It's either he's a patsy, or some kind of crazy. Or a crazy patsy; the best kind of patsy.
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More "hero" worship
https://x.com/Breaking911/status/1866645420408979724
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Supposedly according to this article there's a longer (another?) manifesto where he blames United for his mother's pain.
I'm not seeing any mention of his mother in anything I can find so far. I'm thinking it's fake and the article even mentions that possibility
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14179053/Luigi-Mangione-allegedly-murdered-healthcare-CEO-Podcast-claims-manifesto.html
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Just read several articles. I found something that may help explain why he still had the gun and the fake IDs:
https://apnews.com/article/unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting-suspect-c68d0328f278d85fcf201ae89f634098
A law enforcement official who wasn’t authorized to discuss the investigation publicly and spoke with The Associated Press on condition of anonymity said a three-page, handwritten document found with Mangione included a line in which he claimed to have acted alone.
“To the Feds, I’ll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn’t working with anyone,” the document said, according to the official.
It also said, “I do apologize for any strife or traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming.”
"Parasites" is plural. It may be that he planned to travel around the country and whack a few more health insurance moguls before either turning himself in or killing himself.
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Just read several articles. I found something that may help explain why he still had the gun and the fake IDs:
https://apnews.com/article/unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting-suspect-c68d0328f278d85fcf201ae89f634098
"Parasites" is plural. It may be that he planned to travel around the country and whack a few more health insurance moguls before either turning himself in or killing himself.
Yes, it really looks that way.
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Someone said that he had been reading the Unabomber's manifesto?
That's another think that points to the zealot.
And Ben, I use the word zealot descriptively, not definitively. It's a lot easier than trying to define his level of engagement with his beliefs. Have they yet evolved into what would truly be zealot-level anti-societal psychosis?
Who knows, and more importantly, who cares? That level of distinction is for the shrinks to fight out in court.
The only think we truly need to know for our purposes is that something, some event, some incident, some deficiency in some system, focused him and eventually radicalized him to a degree that he decided to strike out.
Is there, like the Unabomber, a level of mental illness that comes into play? Again, who knows, who cares, shrink *expletive deleted*it. I'm suspecting that his defense might try floating an insanity defense but from what I know about that tactic it's not going to fly. His actions, both before and after the shooting, point to a well laid-out plan, and that level of planning generally kills the insanity defense.
What I'm fully expecting is that he's going to push for a full trial, and he's going to push to testify, not in his defense, but to make his agenda be heard.
Gonna be interesting.
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Ironically, it appears that his family made their money building nursing homes and hospitals. Also, an interesting point was brought up that at 26, he would have been kicked off his parents' health insurance, as per Obamacare. I wonder if he ran into this because he was kicked off their insurance and didn't get his own, continuing to file under his parents' policy?
Still, the social media is becoming more and more disgusting regarding the hero worship for someone who I still believe did this 100% for themselves, and not "for the people". Especially when compared to what Daniel Penny continues to go through. We truly are in the "good times/weak men" era.
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I've very purposefully stayed away from reading any of the hero worship crap.
It disgusts me.
Yeah, the big insurance companies generally disgust me, but I'm not running out and blasting at their staff.
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Yeah, the big insurance companies generally disgust me, but I'm not running out and blasting at their staff.
While not defending the insurance companies, I would submit that if people want to find a primary guilty party, they should look towards a former community organizer and a lady in DC who makes the best stock market choices ever.
To me, this is all reminiscent of the banking crisis, after Barney Frank forced banks to give massive loans out to people totally unqualified and unable to repay them. The banks were not guilt free, but it was the politicians that created the situation of the banks doing grey area shady deals and loan shuffling to keep from going bankrupt.
This is all the government trying to "fix" the free market.
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While not defending the insurance companies, I would submit that if people want to find a primary guilty party, they should look towards a former community organizer and a lady in DC who makes the best stock market choices ever.
To me, this is all reminiscent of the banking crisis, after Barney Frank forced banks to give massive loans out to people totally unqualified and unable to repay them. The banks were not guilt free, but it was the politicians that created the situation of the banks doing grey area shady deals and loan shuffling to keep from going bankrupt.
This is all the government trying to "fix" the free market.
You aren't wrong, but in my opinion it goes even farther back.
.Gov freezes wages to combat inflation, and later the IRS says people are dodging taxes, so they make it illegal to pay workers more than "market" for their work, so employers had to be creative to attract good workers. Enter the concept of non cash "Benefits package" including paying for employee's health care. Then the Insurance industry took off, and .gov felt the need to regulate that. Goes back to the 40's.
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You aren't wrong, but in my opinion it goes even farther back.
.Gov freezes wages to combat inflation, and later the IRS says people are dodging taxes, so they make it illegal to pay workers more than "market" for their work, so employers had to be creative to attract good workers. Enter the concept of non cash "Benefits package" including paying for employee's health care. Then the Insurance industry took off, and .gov felt the need to regulate that. Goes back to the 40's.
Sort of like with college where prices sky rocketed once the govt start footing much of the bill.
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Ironically, it appears that his family made their money building nursing homes and hospitals.
It has also been reported that one of his sisters is a doctor.
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Reportedly they got a fingerprint match
Luigi Mangione’s fingerprints match those on KIND bar, water bottle found near scene of Brian Thompson shooting
https://nypost.com/2024/12/11/us-news/luigi-mangiones-fingerprints-match-those-on-kind-bar-water-bottle-found-near-scene-of-brian-thompson-shooting/
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Wanted posters for Thompson and other CEOs being put up.
Other posters donned the faces of Optum CEO Heather Cianfrocco and UnitedHealth CEO Andrew Witty were seen on green scaffolding on Wall Street, according to video.
The posters warn that “HEALTH CARE CEOS SHOULD NOT FEEL SAFE” and include “DENY… DEFEND… DEPOSE” — the three words found on the bullets allegedly shot by Luigi Mangione, who is accused of gunning down Thompson outside a Midtown hotel last week.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/11/us-news/wanted-posters-with-name-photo-of-uhc-ceo-brian-thompson-other-execs-spotted-in-nyc/
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I think Elizabeth Warren is a Senator. I hear they often push people too far. What if people take matters into their own hands with her?
Sen. @ewarren on the UnitedHealth murderer: "Violence is never the answer. This guy gets a trial who’s allegedly killed the CEO of UnitedHealth. But you can only push people so far. And then they start to take matters into their own hands.”
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/12/11/elizabeth-warren-defends-ceo-murderer-n2405023
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She's been grumpy ever since they took her image off the butter.
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Salon wants to know what has become of our country when there are people out there that would turn in the murderer.
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/12/11/salon-on-mcdonalds-arrest-of-luigi-mangione-n2405024
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Time for a little humor
https://x.com/JackMacCFB/status/1866703912608116925
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Meanwhile in Seattle
https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1867215023061246334
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Assassin Luigi Mangione Takes Lead In 2028 Democratic Primary Polls
https://babylonbee.com/news/assassin-luigi-mangione-takes-lead-in-2028-democratic-primary-polls
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Assassin Luigi Mangione Takes Lead In 2028 Democratic Primary Polls
https://babylonbee.com/news/assassin-luigi-mangione-takes-lead-in-2028-democratic-primary-polls
And once again the Babylon Bee is FAR closer to the truth than it is to satire.
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He apparently wasn't even insured by United.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/healthcare/luigi-mangione-unitedhealthcare-member-targeted-company-size-influence-nypd
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Reportedly the SF police IDed Luigi from photos 4 days before his arrest but it's unclear if that info reached the FBI before his arrest.
If you recall his mother had reported him missing to the SF police.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/12/us-news/luigi-mangione-was-idd-by-san-francisco-cops-days-before-alleged-unitedhealthcare-ceo-killer-was-arrested-report/
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And once again the Babylon Bee is FAR closer to the truth than it is to satire.
At publishing time, congressional Democrats were reportedly working on legislation to simultaneously pardon Mangione and legalize the murder of people they disagree with.
Sounds about right.
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Reportedly they got a fingerprint match
Luigi Mangione’s fingerprints match those on KIND bar, water bottle found near scene of Brian Thompson shooting
https://nypost.com/2024/12/11/us-news/luigi-mangiones-fingerprints-match-those-on-kind-bar-water-bottle-found-near-scene-of-brian-thompson-shooting/
For a guy who was high school valedictorian and has a masters from UPenn, this guy really wasn't very smart. How could he not know about fingerprints and DNA in today's world?
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Seems like people in Hollywood are more comfortable stating common sense opinions now than when the "we love everyone (who agrees with us)" people were in charge.
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The murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was the first time I can remember where a shooting wasn't immediately followed by a demand for gun control.
Selective Activism.
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Get your Luigi Mangione candles
You can put them next to your Fauci and Zelenskyy candles
https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1868642735403786403
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"Ignore everything before the 'but' ".
This phrase, applicable everywhere, has applied more than ever with this particular incident. Almost the entire left is basically saying some version of "Murder is wrong, but..."
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/12/16/chris-murphy-justifies-murder-n2405255
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Should we seal the border between the U.S. and California?
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Should we seal the border between the U.S. and California?
No, just that smaller section along the coast.
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"Netflix adaptation coming soon"
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I guess I'm not the only one who suspects that sometimes conciously, sometime unconciously, he wanted to get caught so he could promulgate his manifesto or that it would get attention. Good luck with that.
Off-base a little, but I wondered if any of the mysteries of this case might be resolved by looking at the tradition of "omertà."
THE CODE OF OMERTA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omert%C3%A0
The basic principle of omertà is that one must not seek aid from legally constituted authorities to settle personal grievances. The suspicion of being a cascittuni (an informant) constitutes the blackest mark against manhood, according to Cutrera. A person who has been wronged is obligated to look out for their own interests by avenging the wrong himself, or finding a patron—not the state—to avenge him.[4]
Omertà implies "the categorical prohibition of cooperation with state authorities or reliance on its services, even when one has been victim of a crime."[5] A person should absolutely avoid interfering in the business of others and should not inform the authorities of a crime under any circumstances, but if it is justified, he may personally avenge a physical attack on himself or on his family by vendetta, literally a taking of revenge, a feud. Even if somebody is convicted of a crime that he has not committed, he is supposed to serve the sentence rather than give the police information about the real criminal, even if the criminal has nothing to do with the Mafia. Within Mafia culture, breaking omertà is punishable by death.[5]
His manifesto might shed some light.
Just spitballing.
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Catturd ™
@catturd2
Hey @Bill_Shea19
... Why did you delete your account after Jack Poso exposed your death threat to Elon Musk?
https://x.com/catturd2/status/1869753977497325734
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The basic principle of omertà is that one must not seek aid from legally constituted authorities to settle personal grievances. The suspicion of being a cascittuni (an informant) constitutes the blackest mark against manhood, according to Cutrera. A person who has been wronged is obligated to look out for their own interests by avenging the wrong himself, or finding a patron—not the state—to avenge him.[4]
Omertà implies "the categorical prohibition of cooperation with state authorities or reliance on its services, even when one has been victim of a crime."[5] A person should absolutely avoid interfering in the business of others and should not inform the authorities of a crime under any circumstances, but if it is justified, he may personally avenge a physical attack on himself or on his family by vendetta, literally a taking of revenge, a feud. Even if somebody is convicted of a crime that he has not committed, he is supposed to serve the sentence rather than give the police information about the real criminal, even if the criminal has nothing to do with the Mafia. Within Mafia culture, breaking omertà is punishable by death.[5]
Sounds like something Elizabeth Jackson would agree with...
Andrew, if I should not see you again, I wish you to remember and treasure up some things I have already said to you: in this world you will have to make your own way. To do that you must have friends. You can make friends by being honest, and you can keep them by being steadfast. You must keep in mind that friends worth having will in the long run expect as much from you as they give to you. To forget an obligation or be ungrateful for a kindness is a base crime-not merely a fault or a sin, but an actual crime. Men guilty of it sooner or later must suffer the penalty. In personal conduct be always polite but never obsequious. None will respect you more than you respect yourself. Avoid quarrels as long as you can without yielding to imposition. But sustain your manhood always. Never bring a suit in law for assault and battery or for defamation. The law affords no remedy for such outrages that can satisfy the feelings of a true man. Never wound the feelings of others. Never brook wanton outrage upon your own feelings. If you ever have to vindicate your feelings or defend your honor, do it calmly. If angry at first, wait until your wrath cools before you proceed.
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Entitled adult onset diabetics are going to bankrupt all of us through healthcare demands.
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Entitled adult onset diabetics are going to bankrupt all of us through healthcare demands.
Returning insurance to what it should be, protecting against high cost events that can't be reasonably foreseen or saved up for, rather than the pre-paid sorta discounted care system we have would make a huge difference.
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Returning insurance to what it should be, protecting against high cost events that can't be reasonably foreseen or saved up for, rather than the pre-paid sorta discounted care system we have would make a huge difference.
Needs to be like auto insurance. Lifestyle and health assessments as a function of premium costs. And people that are just bad at living are uninsurable, like drunk drivers.
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I think getting the 3rd party payers out of the loop will reduce cost of medication as well. I have a close relative on insulin. It is expensive.
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I think getting the 3rd party payers out of the loop will reduce cost of medication as well. I have a close relative on insulin. It is expensive.
Agreed. Insulin used to be cheap. It's only expensive now because people don't want to pay for it and want a magic system to pay for it instead.
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Agreed. Insulin used to be cheap. It's only expensive now because people don't want to pay for it and want a magic system to pay for it instead.
It's expensive because they keep tweaking it and getting fresh patents keeping cheap generics out of the market.
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And Dr's keep prescribing the tweaked version. It's 2% more effective than generic but 40x more expensive. Do you think Dr's every lay out the pros and cons to their patients and let them pick?
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OK, I'll say it again:
Insurance inevitably increases the costs of the services insured against.
Human nature: "Why charge only $100 to fix this guy's veeblefetzer? He's got veeblefetzer insurance, so he won't care --let's charge him $150 instead."
Wanna hear that one again with different variables?
Go ahead, try it out with medical variables.
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, friends and foes, that ain't "paranoia," that's what they call "human nature."
Terry, 230RN
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According to the always reliable Daily Mail, the feds are upping the ante:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14213815/luigi-mangione-fans-executed-sparking-fears-martyr.html
New York doesn't have a death penalty, but the feds do. So the feds are going to charge him, on top of the state charges. No, technically that's not double jeopardy, because he would be tried for different "crimes" (breaking different laws) even though all the charges grow out of the same incident.
While I find the hero worship of saint Luigi disgusting, I have to acknowledge that they do have a point: many mass shooters are tried without facing the death penalty, including school shooters. Why is the federal government so interested in making certain that this shooter faces the death penalty, if not to dissuade other people from whacking important people?
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I thought there was no murder crime in federal law... I recall that from some time ago when the worst thing they could nail someone on was the denial of another person's civil rights.
Corrections / updates welcome.
I am appalled at the PR effort to make him some kind of a hero. However, it might serve as an empirical demonstration of how people can be affected by intense PR. Goebbels was right.
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffirstrunfeatures.com%2Fpresskits%2Fgoebbels_experiment%2Fimages%2Fgoebbels1.jpg&hash=c1cc96fcfcdce26f305cf834dff040de524b3966)
Terry, 230RN
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There's a Federal statute. I'm not sure how jurisdiction would work here though.
(a)Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought. Every murder perpetrated by poison, lying in wait, or any other kind of willful, deliberate, malicious, and premeditated killing; or committed in the perpetration of, or attempt to perpetrate, any arson, escape, murder, kidnapping, treason, espionage, sabotage, aggravated sexual abuse or sexual abuse, child abuse, burglary, or robbery; or perpetrated as part of a pattern or practice of assault or torture against a child or children; or perpetrated from a premeditated design unlawfully and maliciously to effect the death of any human being other than him who is killed, is murder in the first degree.
Any other murder is murder in the second degree.
(b)Within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States,
Whoever is guilty of murder in the first degree shall be punished by death or by imprisonment for life
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What gets me is the disparity of attention... If this had been an "ordinary" murder, it would have been written off in the first 24 hours.
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Well, that's it. I'm out. Come on, SMOD!
(https://i.redd.it/fmcl7ua9148e1.jpeg)
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Same image on the candles for sale
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I have to acknowledge that they do have a point: many mass shooters are tried without facing the death penalty, including school shooters. Why is the federal government so interested in making certain that this shooter faces the death penalty, if not to dissuade other people from whacking important people?
Yep, pretty much that. The American class system ensures that even if we are supposed to be equal before the law, the system ensures that the law always protects, and rarely binds, the rich, while always binding, and rarely protecting, the poor.
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. . . Why is the federal government so interested in making certain that this shooter faces the death penalty, if not to dissuade other people from whacking important people?
I was struck by the total collective amount of effort and resources expended by local, (multi)state, and Federal authorities in catching this killer. I wonder how the next of kin of other victims of NYC's routine, ordinary, every-day homicides feels about the lack of effort that usually goes into finding who murdered a member of THEIR family.
I'm glad they caught this Luigi character, but I still see this as another example of our two tier justice system.
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"It's the best of times, it's the worst of times, it's the age of wisdom, it's the age of foolishness, it's the epoch of belief, it's the epoch of incredulity, it's the season of Light, it's the season of Darkness, it's the spring of hope, it's the winter of despair, we have everything before us, we have nothing before us, we are all going direct to Heaven, we are all going direct the other way--in short, this period is so far like that past period when some of its noisiest authorities insisted on being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only."
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It was the year of fire, The year of destruction, The year we took back what was ours. It was the year of rebirth, The year of great sadness, The year of pain, And a year of joy. It was a new age, It was the end of history, It was the year everything changed. The year is 2261 2024. The place, Babylon 5 Washington, D.C.
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I was struck by the total collective amount of effort and resources expended by local, (multi)state, and Federal authorities in catching this killer. I wonder how the next of kin of other victims of NYC's routine, ordinary, every-day homicides feels about the lack of effort that usually goes into finding who murdered a member of THEIR family.
I'm glad they caught this Luigi character, but I still see this as another example of our two tier justice system.
You may kill laterally or down. Killing up will not be tolerated.
Same applies to fraud. That was Bernie Madoff and Elizabeth Holmes' mistake... ripping off people rich enough to have the law on their corner.
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You may kill laterally or down. Killing up will not be tolerated.
The murderer is a millionaire.
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Luigi Mangione To Host Next Week's Episode Of 'SNL'
https://babylonbee.com/news/luigi-mangione-to-host-next-weeks-episode-of-snl
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The murderer is a millionaire.
Haven't dug into it but wasn't he more of a heir to millions than an actual millionaire?
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Haven't dug into it but wasn't he more of a heir to millions than an actual millionaire?
Sure, same thing, unless he's written out of the will and/or trust. Which apparently he now is, given his grandmother's stipulations. Otherwise, no different than Paris Hilton or most people born into wealth.
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Sure, same thing, unless he's written out of the will and/or trust. Which apparently he now is, given his grandmother's stipulations. Otherwise, no different than Paris Hilton or most people born into wealth.
Seen posts and articles going on about how he may not see his GM's money now that he's a felon with some of them reading like they think he being denied his rightful inheritance. Like what the heck would he do with that money in prison anyway?
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Sure, same thing, unless he's written out of the will and/or trust. Which apparently he now is, given his grandmother's stipulations.
??? What's this about his grandmother? Link?
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The grandmother of Luigi Mangione, the suspect charged in UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson's Dec. 4 murder, left a fortune to her children and grandchildren — as long as the descendant has not "been charged, indicted, convicted of or pleads guilty to a felony," according to her will.
Mary Mangione, a Baltimore-area millionaire philanthropist married to real-estate developer Nick Mangione, left an estimated $30 million — and possibly more — to her family when she died in 2023. The matriarch had 10 children and 37 grandchildren.
UnitedHealthcare CEO murder suspect Luigi Mangione's grandma left millions to family — excluding felons
https://www.foxnews.com/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-murder-suspect-luigi-mangione-grandma-left-millions-family-excluding-felons
Now how much money he had to his name without this IDK but it is pretty clear from his 40k a/year schooling and travels money wasn't, at least on the surface, that much of an issue
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UnitedHealthcare CEO murder suspect Luigi Mangione's grandma left millions to family — excluding felons
https://www.foxnews.com/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-murder-suspect-luigi-mangione-grandma-left-millions-family-excluding-felons
Now how much money he had to his name without this IDK but it is pretty clear from his 40k a/year schooling and travels money wasn't, at least on the surface, that much of an issue
Assuming an equal distribution that's only $638k each.
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The progressive pseudoreligion has always had its saints...
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Assuming an equal distribution that's only $638k each.
Yeah I hadn't done the math but anyway it's safe to say everyone else's share went up a little bit.
Have heard his parents are worth millions but unclear if he had access to any of it.
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Yeah I hadn't done the math but anyway it's safe to say everyone else's share went up a little bit.
Have heard his parents are worth millions but unclear if he had access to any of it.
If it was my kid, I wouldn't even fund a lawyer after that.
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You wouldn’t have to. Plenty of people seem to be jumping at the chance.
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You wouldn’t have to. Plenty of people seem to be jumping at the chance.
This is one of the most disgusting spectacles I have seen in recent memory. Apparently girls were clamoring for a seat in the courtroom, and over 40% of people 18-29 believe he did nothing wrong.
When you see pictures of him, he's all smiles and soaking in the celebrity status. Yet he's still the coward who shot a man in the back, then literally pissed his pants when the cops walked up to him to throw the cuffs on.
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. . . Like what the heck would he do with that money in prison anyway?
Buy a lot of cigarettes? Pay another con to bend over and pick up his soap if he drops it in the shower?
I'd be able to understand (understand, NOT approve of!!!) his actions if he'd lost someone close because UHC insurance had denied them life-saving medical treatment. But that doesn't seem to have been the case at all. At this point, Luigi just seems to be a homicidal wacko.
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The only denial I think I've ever dealt with was Premera denied my doc's request for a DaTscan back in 2015. It would have helped tell if what was going was parkinson's or not. Before getting through appeals though the issue was mooted when I did a levodopa trial and it worked fantastically. That drug only works for parkinson's, so it made the diagnosis official, and the DaTscan kinda pointless.
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Pay another con to bend over and pick up his soap if he drops it in the shower?
Isn't that why they make soap on a rope, to help avoid those situations?
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Catturd ™
@catturd2
Just so you know ...
The same people who have cheered a CEO being shot in the back for weeks are now applauding child murderers from getting the death penalty because they say killing people is wrong.
https://x.com/catturd2/status/1871892772543930641
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Assuming an equal distribution that's only $638k each.
Distributions are rarely "equal". I speak from personal experience as a recent executor for a parent's trust.
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https://x.com/catturd2/status/1871892772543930641
That is some of the most left-wing left-wingerness I have ever heard.
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This is one of the most disgusting spectacles I have seen in recent memory. Apparently girls were clamoring for a seat in the courtroom, and over 40% of people 18-29 believe he did nothing wrong.
When you see pictures of him, he's all smiles and soaking in the celebrity status. Yet he's still the coward who shot a man in the back, then literally pissed his pants when the cops walked up to him to throw the cuffs on.
Along those lines
I think the panties may be peak disgusting
https://nypost.com/2024/12/26/us-news/feminists-who-demonized-masculinity-now-fetishize-luigi-mangione/
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TaraBull
@TaraBull808
A large crowd of women have shown up to see Luigi Mangione arrive at his court date.
https://x.com/TaraBull808/status/1893023117402087897
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Donation still coming in, now over $722k with one person giving $36,500
Reportedly rumors of a sex tape trigger a surge
https://nypost.com/2025/03/13/us-news/luigi-mangione-gets-largest-donation-yet-from-mystery-giver/