This Shows Proof Of Creation

[gunsmith]

https://www.youtube.com/@IsGenesisHistory

I like this YouTube channel.  From what I have seen, they work from the assumption that the Bible is correct and look at how the geological and archaeological record support that scenario.  Looking at things from a completely different perspective than most stuff we hear about.  A lot of things are a lot more plausible than one would think.

funny, we probably have similar viewing habits, I spent the other day listening to one of his videos and subscribing to his channel

[MechAg94]

Yeah, I like their approach.  At least one of the researchers does a good job of taking a more scientific approach to things and avoiding the leap of Faith arguments like the link in the OP. 

I recall one long video on there that was a 2 hour lecture of one of them talking about a computer model scenario they did looking at Continental movement.  They started with a Pangea supercontinent and then simulated a large scale earthquake thousands of times more powerful than what happened in Japan 15 or 20 years ago.  Apparently, the energy involved was enough to get the tectonic plates moving pretty fast and cause all sorts of secondary effects similar to what is seen in the geologic record.  It was an interesting view into what is potentially possible. 

[Pb]

MechAg94- trying to get science out of Genesis doesn't work, as the people at the time did not know or care anything about science.  The book of Genesis is written for these people.  You can't pull anything about plate tectonics, the age of the earth, etc out of it.  It is written from the perspective of an ancient Mesopotamian living at that time and place, and what they wrote is understandable to others of the time.  The cosmology of Genesis is similar to mesopotamian beliefs that the sky was a dome with waters above it, and so on.

The flood of of Noah was likely (though not certainly) a huge local flood that destroyed a big area of Mesopotamia around 3000 BC; there is a flood deposit there centered around the remains of the city of Shuruppak.  The material culture of the people changed from before and after this flood, indicating how destructive it must have been. From the perspective of the inhabitants, the flood covered the whole earth, and that is how they described it. 

There is some interesting reading about the flood here:
https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/reflections-on-the-mesopotamian-flood/

The book I mentioned earlier also discusses this and other issues well.

[MechAg94]

MechAg94- trying to get science out of Genesis doesn't work, as the people at the time did not know or care anything about science.  The book of Genesis is written for these people.  You can't pull anything about plate tectonics, the age of the earth, etc out of it.  It is written from the perspective of an ancient Mesopotamian living at that time and place, and what they wrote is understandable to others of the time.  The cosmology of Genesis is similar to mesopotamian beliefs that the sky was a dome with waters above it, and so on.

The flood of of Noah was likely (though not certainly) a huge local flood that destroyed a big area of Mesopotamia around 3000 BC; there is a flood deposit there centered around the remains of the city of Shuruppak.  The material culture of the people changed from before and after this flood, indicating how destructive it must have been. From the perspective of the inhabitants, the flood covered the whole earth, and that is how they described it. 

There is some interesting reading about the flood here:
https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/reflections-on-the-mesopotamian-flood/

The book I mentioned earlier also discusses this and other issues well.

First, that is simply their sort of mission statement to start with the literal word from the Bible and see what there is in the geologic record that supports that.  No, the Bible doesn't mention plate tectonics, but if what the Bible does describe actually occurred, how would that happen and what evidence would it leave behind?  Those are the questions they are looking at.  They get a lot further doing that than one might expect. 

Second, all those other flood explanations you mention are fine.  I have heard of that one before I think.  They are just ideas that people have come up with.  They aren't proof of anything.  They and others just find them easier to believe.  And some of those events probably did happen at some point, but we may be misinterpreting what we see.  I don't necessarily think the ideas this youtube channel brings up are 100% true.  Some of it is likely a stretch.  They are just taking a different approach to looking at the same evidence and I find it interesting. 

You can follow people like Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock and see a similar alternative views that go against some of what we were taught.  They definitely do not take a Biblical view and are focused on different things.  It is still interesting to follow as well. 

[Pb]

OK.

[Northwoods]

I saw where they recently found what they think was the ancient city of Sodom (or Gomorrah, not sure which), and there was evidence it was destroyed by a meteorite around the time frame described in Genesis.  No evidence of Lot’s wife being turned to a pillar of salt, but presumably rainfall in the intervening centuries would have dissolved that evidence.

[MechAg94]

OK.

Ok.  No I had not seen that particular flood description mentioned before.  I will need to spend more time reading that link.  Thanks.  I assumed it was something else, but I was wrong. 

“After kingship had descended from Heaven,” begins our King List, there were five cities “before the Flood” whose eight fabulous kings ruled no less than 241,200 years.

That is a long, long time. 

[MillCreek]

Knowing very little about this subject, the link about the Mesopotamian flood was very interesting.

[K Frame]

I read an interesting article some years ago (maybe 25-30?) about religious-based flood narratives in indigenous populations around the world. There's actually a surprising number.

The article posited that many of these narratives had their roots in the ending of the last ice age. As the ice began to recede many VERY large reservoirs of melt water were held back by ice dams.

There was an enormous melt lake in Montana that, when it burst, caused massive scarring of the landscape across a large number of states all the way to the Pacific ocean.

https://www.nps.gov/iafl/index.htm

That was far from the only one in the Americas.

There were others in Europe, as well.

https://phys.org/news/2017-06-collapse-european-ice-sheet-chaos.html

[MechAg94]

I read an interesting article some years ago (maybe 25-30?) about religious-based flood narratives in indigenous populations around the world. There's actually a surprising number.

The article posited that many of these narratives had their roots in the ending of the last ice age. As the ice began to recede many VERY large reservoirs of melt water were held back by ice dams.

There was an enormous melt lake in Montana that, when it burst, caused massive scarring of the landscape across a large number of states all the way to the Pacific ocean.

https://www.nps.gov/iafl/index.htm

That was far from the only one in the Americas.

There were others in Europe, as well.

https://phys.org/news/2017-06-collapse-european-ice-sheet-chaos.html

I have also heard Randal Carlson saying the ocean sea level was 300 to 400 meters lower during the ice age than it is now due to all the addition ice locked up on land.  That means a great deal of coastal land would have been flooded including where most people likely lived. 

[K Frame]

I have also heard Randal Carlson saying the ocean sea level was 300 to 400 meters lower during the ice age than it is now due to all the addition ice locked up on land.  That means a great deal of coastal land would have been flooded including where most people likely lived. 

Exactly. That was also part of of this article. Randal Carlson sounds familiar; I wonder if he was the author of the article I read.

There have been dozens of underwater neolithic sites discovered around the world. One of the better known is Atlit Yam in Israel. Others have been well documented in Scandanavia.

And here's a really cool one from just a couple of years ago in America: https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/archaeologists-have-found-prehistoric-rock-structures-under-the-great-lakes

[Pb]

As far as huge ages described in ancient literature goes- for the ancients, numbers had mystical, symbolic and religious significance as well as just being numbers.  We still have a few traces of these beliefs, such as lucky 7 and unlucky 13.

Ancient numbers of any sort were not necessarily intended to be taken literally by their audiences.  Some of them had other meanings- meanings that are now lost.

The ages in the kings lists, and the extremely old life spans of patriarchs in Genesis were likely in this same tradition. 

The ages of the patriarch in the Bible have unusual patterns in the numbers that are unlikely to be random, as real ages would be.

As an example, if I remember correctly, Joseph in the bible (of the Egyptian famine fame) is recorded as living to be 110.  While not impossible to attain, the Egyptians considered 110 to be a lucky number... leading to the question of if we should consider this age to be literal or mystically significant.

The Bible is full of weird numerology like this.  Weird to us, that is, since we no longer understand the original meanings.