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Re: I Like a Drink as Much as The Next Guy, But...
« Reply #50 on: May 22, 2010, 10:30:37 AM »
When I was in the Marines, we were never that stupid.  We just drank our booze and beer.   College kids are weird.
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And they obviously don't have an ounce of common sense or intelligence either...didn't their parents ever teach them about not sticking or pouring things into orifices that weren't meant to accept such things in the first place?
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Re: I Like a Drink as Much as The Next Guy, But...
« Reply #51 on: May 22, 2010, 10:40:14 AM »
And they obviously don't have an ounce of common sense or intelligence either...didn't their parents ever teach them about not sticking or pouring things into orifices that weren't meant to accept such things in the first place?

Or boiling booze to catch a contact high?  [barf]
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Re: I Like a Drink as Much as The Next Guy, But...
« Reply #52 on: May 22, 2010, 12:56:58 PM »
I don't recall the 100% stuff being in overly special packaging, but I could be mistooken... I -do- know that they made folks sign it out, after they got tired of the Friday afternoon happy hours...
 
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Re: I Like a Drink as Much as The Next Guy, But...
« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2010, 01:01:40 PM »
Back to a previous topic or two....

I wonder how it would work if you put a little vodka or whiskey in the humidifier of a CPAP machine?.....  ;)
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Re: I Like a Drink as Much as The Next Guy, But...
« Reply #54 on: May 22, 2010, 03:47:57 PM »
Or boiling booze to catch a contact high?  [barf]

Dont knock it, till you try it.  =D

It is really multitasking, when you think about it.  How many times have you had to say "Hey hold my beer and watch this?"

Why the magic "95%" (190 proof) number?

Because a lot of interesting things happen when you hit that concentration of alcohol in water. 

For one thing, as I mentioned, 100% alcohol wants to absorb water until it gets to about 95%.  So when you try to distill it past that point it is very difficult to separate the water out in the mixture of 5% steam and 95% alcohol vapor.  So when it is condensed and dribbles into the receiving vessel, you've still got that 5% water in it.

Special techniques are required to "kick it over" that 95% point, which is why 100% alcohol is so expensive.

So you can't just use your grandmother's little copper still to do it.



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A water/ethanol binary mixture forms an Azeotrope at atmospheric pressure and a concentration ~95%*.  ~95%* concentration is the equilibrium point for ethanol and water, and since water vapor is in the air, it will absorbe into the ethanol solution until the solution is ~95%* ethanol.  An azeotrope forms from the solution activity of two species deviating from an ideal condition.  In the case of ethanol and water, it due to hydrogen interaction.

Here is a hand drawn water etoh azeotrope I pulled off the internet:


This is clearly distorted to demonstrate the properties of the azeotrope.  I show this to demonstrate that the liquid boiling temperature is equal the vapor dewpoint temperature.  Since the mass transfer agent in distillation is energy, the two components cannot be seperated any further.  Now boiling points are directly relate to atmospheric pressure, so the azeotrope will not be a problem at a different pressure.

Here is an interesting McCabe Thiele diagram:



This is the method for determining the minimum number of stages a distillation column will need, and also the approximate composition at each stage. Note: true equilibrium will not be obtained.  This would required an infinite amount of stages, as in reality each stage does not go to equilibrium.  This is more of a starting point for designing a distillation column, and it shows what is going on.

The bottom line is the operating line, the top line is the solution equilibrium.  You will notice that the equilibrium line approaches the operating line as the composition approaches the azeotrope.  I offer this diagram as quick and easy way of understanding the distillation process.  The process shows that there is a negative separation above the azeotrope (where the operating line crosses the equilibrium line) this is impossible, so the drawing shows where distillation will no longer separate water and ethanol.



Two methods that are used to distill 100% ethanol:

The addition of benzenebenzene will cause a two liquid phase tertiary mixture, that "breaks" the azeotrope.  It does this by changing the molecular interaction of the mixture.  The benzene can then be recovered from the remaining water, because the they arent soluble.

Also pressurizing the distillation column will avoid the azeotrope.  Azeotropes are dependent on the ambient pressure. However, this raises the amount of energy required to distill the solution. This holds true for a negative and positive pressurization.

*the azeotrope is 95.6% etoh water by weight.  Like i said, equilibrium will never be obtained so 95% is what the final product is.  I assume that 95.5% would required a column significantly larger than the one for 95%, and the consumer is not willing to pay extra for 0.5% more alcohol (think cost benefit analysis).

**I left most of my text books at work, as usual, so I couldnt really do a thorough review for accuracy.  I basically wrote this from memory.  If I made any technical errors, please point them out.

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Re: I Like a Drink as Much as The Next Guy, But...
« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2010, 03:50:24 PM »
Back to a previous topic or two....

I wonder how it would work if you put a little vodka or whiskey in the humidifier of a CPAP machine?.....  ;)

I do not know if the CPAP machine is rated to handle ethanol, but use vodka not whiskey.  I doubt you will notice the difference anyway.  the vodka is more "pure."  Pure being "only" water and alochol (the cheaper it is the more contaminates but these arent high concentrations).

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Re: I Like a Drink as Much as The Next Guy, But...
« Reply #56 on: May 22, 2010, 08:39:27 PM »
Hmmm... I wonder about lighting a cigarette in front of that there spiked humidifier.
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Re: I Like a Drink as Much as The Next Guy, But...
« Reply #57 on: May 22, 2010, 10:04:24 PM »
about the same as the oxygenated cpap. [popcorn]