Taliban and Al Queda are JUST PLAIN STUPID

[Werewolf]

Don't those guys know that all they'd have to do to get the US out of Iraq and Afghanistan is to just lay low for a while and make it look like we won? A year, two at the most of no activity and IMO we'd have no choice but to leave both places. The everyday citizens of both countries would demand it and it would be hard to justify staying based on our public stance as to why we're there now.

Not a few posters here have stated that those guys think in terms of years if not centuries so why don't they just lay low for a while?

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[Manedwolf]

You want reason from people who really think that if they splatter themselves and a bunch of civilians all over a cafe, they're going to some paradise with a bunch of virgins?

The problem with creating an army of fanatics is that even if the top leadership has good strategies, the wild-eyed fanatics won't listen to any order but "kill!"

It's like trying to have a vicious, crazed dog that will bite anything it sees, that also obeys "sit". It won't.

[Mabs2]

Don't those guys know that all they'd have to do to get the US out of Iraq and Afghanistan is to just lay low for a while and make it look like we won? A year, two at the most of no activity and IMO we'd have no choice but to leave both places. The everyday citizens of both countries would demand it and it would be hard to justify staying based on our public stance as to why we're there now.

Not a few posters here have stated that those guys think in terms of years if not centuries so why don't they just lay low for a while?

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Yea good idea.  I'll pass that on to my superiors.

[HankB]

Let's say the bad guys decide to lay low for a year or two.

So things become peaceful, the economy recovers, the streets become safe, and everyone begins to think, "Things are SO much better without the islamofascists, I'm GLAD the USA won!!"

Then AFTER we leave, things start blowing up, people start getting machine gunned, power goes off . . . now that the people have a basis for comparison, WHO is going to be blamed?

[Finch]

Are you kidding me. No matter what happens to Al Queda, we will never leave the Middle East. Its not in the nature of the breed of politicians that we for some reason we keep electing.

[MicroBalrog]

No, the Taliban and Al-Quaeda are not stupid. They're a terrible threat to America, just like the Soviets and the Nazis were, haven't you heard?

[Tecumseh]

Are you kidding me. No matter what happens to Al Queda, we will never leave the Middle East. Its not in the nature of the breed of politicians that we for some reason we keep electing.

  Exactly.

If they are so stupid, then why are they such a threat to American security according to many here?

[Mabs2]

Are you kidding me. No matter what happens to Al Queda, we will never leave the Middle East. Its not in the nature of the breed of politicians that we for some reason we keep electing.

  Exactly.

If they are so stupid, then why are they such a threat to American security according to many here?

You must not know much about stupid people.
Some of the most dangerous people I've known were stupid.

[Tecumseh]

Are you kidding me. No matter what happens to Al Queda, we will never leave the Middle East. Its not in the nature of the breed of politicians that we for some reason we keep electing.

  Exactly.

If they are so stupid, then why are they such a threat to American security according to many here?

You must not know much about stupid people.
Some of the most dangerous people I've known were stupid.

  IF Al Quaeda is so stupid then why are we pursuing them still?  Wouldnt we have crushed their leadership and dismantled their infrastructure in Afghanistan? 

[LAK]

Al Kidya are not stupid - more like on a leash. If they were not on a leash there is plenty they could easily have done since 2001, much of it so obvious a "team" of school kids could have figured it out - let alone educated men with vast financial resources and a professional pool of well over a billion people. If they are what big fat corporate gov says they are that is.

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[seeker_two]

If they really want us out, they would come across the US/Mexico border, head to Florida and Michigan, and vote for Obama..... 

[Jamisjockey]

Are you kidding me. No matter what happens to Al Queda, we will never leave the Middle East. Its not in the nature of the breed of politicians that we for some reason we keep electing.

  Exactly.

If they are so stupid, then why are they such a threat to American security according to many here?

Oh, I don't know.
September 11th mean anything?

His point is that thier stated goal is to get us out of Iraq.  By laying low we'd have no excuse to be there anymore. 

[Manedwolf]

Are you kidding me. No matter what happens to Al Queda, we will never leave the Middle East. Its not in the nature of the breed of politicians that we for some reason we keep electing.

  Exactly.

If they are so stupid, then why are they such a threat to American security according to many here?

You must not know much about stupid people.
Some of the most dangerous people I've known were stupid.

  IF Al Quaeda is so stupid then why are we pursuing them still?  Wouldnt we have crushed their leadership and dismantled their infrastructure in Afghanistan? 

Have you ever seen the terrain there? Do you realize how hard it is to find people in that rocky wasteland?

As someone deployed there said, the rocks aren't rocks you can climb over, they're vertical surfaces that say "f you".

We'd have had to turn the whole area to glass.

[Tallpine]

AQ could turn this country upside down with very little effort (I'm not going to say how).  I am surprised and relieved that they haven't (yet).

[Finch]

His point is that thier stated goal is to get us out of Iraq.  By laying low we'd have no excuse to be there anymore. 

Well, since AQ wasn't the one of many reasons we went to Iraq, I doubt that them laying low would cause us to leave. I'm sure we would find another reason, any reason, to stay.

[The Rabbi]

Al Kidya are not stupid - more like on a leash. If they were not on a leash there is plenty they could easily have done since 2001, much of it so obvious a "team" of school kids could have figured it out - let alone educated men with vast financial resources and a professional pool of well over a billion people. If they are what big fat corporate gov says they are that is.

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They are actually controlled by Mossad and Shin Beth.  This is obvious since Israel has had no terrorist incidents done by AQ even though they are tops on the supposed hit list.
So the U.S. can't destroy them because then the Israelis would "drop the bomb" about certain elected officials.
Or something like that.

[wooderson]

There's more value (ideologically and in terms of building support/funds) to the insurgency and Al Qaeda in killing Americans than in laying back and playing the long game.

[AmbulanceDriver]

Al Kidya are not stupid - more like on a leash. If they were not on a leash there is plenty they could easily have done since 2001, much of it so obvious a "team" of school kids could have figured it out - let alone educated men with vast financial resources and a professional pool of well over a billion people. If they are what big fat corporate gov says they are that is.

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They are actually controlled by Mossad and Shin Beth.  This is obvious since Israel has had no terrorist incidents done by AQ even though they are tops on the supposed hit list.
So the U.S. can't destroy them because then the Israelis would "drop the bomb" about certain elected officials.
Or something like that.

I'm not sure if I'm missing some finely pointed sarcasm here, or if both of you are drunk/stoned/temporarily lost your faculties.... 

[Mabs2]

AQ could turn this country upside down with very little effort (I'm not going to say how).  I am surprised and relieved that they haven't (yet).

Ohhh now I'm curious.

[RocketMan]

Rabbi was being sarcastic.  LAK was...just being LAK.

[LAK]

And yes, predictably; the Rabbi pulls out yet another stock piece of canned laughter. Which could actually be stating the truth as a sort of hidden in plain sight; if you state it openly, brazenly, and with sarcasm the assumption for anyone who does not bother to find out for themselves is that "it thus obviously can not be true".

They are actually controlled by Mossad and Shin Beth.  This is obvious since Israel has had no terrorist incidents done by AQ even though they are tops on the supposed hit list.
So the U.S. can't destroy them because then the Israelis would "drop the bomb" about certain elected officials.
Or something like that.

Quite possible; it would not be anything new. And it is quite evident that most of Congress have been compromized one way or another.

The State of Israel has been caught funding "Hamas". Operation Suzannah, otherwise known as the Lavon Affair is perhaps their most widely known - or acknowledged - operations of state sponsored terrorism.

And there has been more than one "Esek HaBish" - like Operation Cyanide and the USS Liberty.

"[about Operation Cyanide and the Liberty] I know what I am able to tell you and where I have to stop. And here I stop." - Rafi Eitan

"You'll have to ask McNamara [about Operation Cyanide and the Liberty]" - CIA Director Richard Helms

And McNamara? Predictably wouldn't discuss it on camera with the BBC film crew. "DEAD IN THE WATER" on DVD.

There was Operation Northwoods - thankfully to which John F. Kennedy's men said "no". Funny it was not McNamara that said no when it reached him.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf

Of course we've had the ficticious "Gulf of Tonkin incident". Gladio was uncovered over a long period of time and publicly acknowledged by Giulio Andreotti, Italy's PM 1972-1973, 1976-1979, 1989-1992. Along with P2 and the rest of their merry band.

So why the attempts to make it appear rational and logical that the fat greedy drunken [with power] corporate gov wearing the suits in Washington and their cronies around the globe are somehow "incapable" or "unlikely" to be be any less up to their eyeballs in this than they have been at selling this country out by the trillion?

If Al Kidya was what they are telling us, they could have easily have brought this country to it's financial knees by Christmas 2001. Not just "possibly" - easily.

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[Jamisjockey]

AQ could turn this country upside down with very little effort (I'm not going to say how).  I am surprised and relieved that they haven't (yet).

Dude I love ya and everything, but AQ isn't going to get any unique ideas from you on this web forum.
Read some Tom Clancy type books.  They've given AQ plenty of good ideas.
 

They don't even need unique ideas.  Look at Hezbolah.  They walk into Seminarys and start shooting.  They blow themselves up on buses.  Doing such actions in middle America would wreak havoc.  They know that.  But with limited resources and assets, they go for big targets to make a statement.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Don't confuse being stupid with being dangerous.  Only a fool would think they're the same thing.

Al Qaida has amply proven that they're dangerous and a threat to the US.  Don't try to suggest otherwise.

Al Qaida's behavior has been mixed in terms of intelligence.  On the one hand, many of their operations have been masterfully planned and carried out.  9/11, the bombing of the train in Spain, and the bombing of the Samarra mosque were all brilliant moves on their part. 

On the other hand, Al Qaida has also demonstrated plenty of foolishness.  Their failure to follow up with more attacks in the months after 9/11 was a terrible blunder.  Werewolf's example on them laying low in Iraq (or better yet, Afghanistan) for a few years is another example of a smart strategy they are overlooking.  Targeting Muslim civilians in Iraq is proving to be a major mistake for Al Q.

I think Al Qaida is generally quite intelligent.  The disconnect comes from falsely ascribing goals and objectives to their actions.  I think their violence and hatred isn't something they do for a reason or a purpose, it isn't meant to advance any particular goal or agenda.  I think it's simply who they are. 

[WeedWhacker]

Freedom is dangerous.

Good thing we've got our government fixing that oversight for us.

[The Rabbi]

And yes, predictably; the Rabbi pulls out yet another stock piece of canned laughter. Which could actually be stating the truth as a sort of hidden in plain sight; if you state it openly, brazenly, and with sarcasm the assumption for anyone who does not bother to find out for themselves is that "it thus obviously can not be true".

They are actually controlled by Mossad and Shin Beth.  This is obvious since Israel has had no terrorist incidents done by AQ even though they are tops on the supposed hit list.
So the U.S. can't destroy them because then the Israelis would "drop the bomb" about certain elected officials.
Or something like that.

Quite possible; it would not be anything new. And it is quite evident that most of Congress have been compromized one way or another.

The State of Israel has been caught funding "Hamas". Operation Suzannah, otherwise known as the Lavon Affair is perhaps their most widely known - or acknowledged - operations of state sponsored terrorism.

And there has been more than one "Esek HaBish" - like Operation Cyanide and the USS Liberty.

"[about Operation Cyanide and the Liberty] I know what I am able to tell you and where I have to stop. And here I stop." - Rafi Eitan

"You'll have to ask McNamara [about Operation Cyanide and the Liberty]" - CIA Director Richard Helms

And McNamara? Predictably wouldn't discuss it on camera with the BBC film crew. "DEAD IN THE WATER" on DVD.

There was Operation Northwoods - thankfully to which John F. Kennedy's men said "no". Funny it was not McNamara that said no when it reached him.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf

Of course we've had the ficticious "Gulf of Tonkin incident". Gladio was uncovered over a long period of time and publicly acknowledged by Giulio Andreotti, Italy's PM 1972-1973, 1976-1979, 1989-1992. Along with P2 and the rest of their merry band.

So why the attempts to make it appear rational and logical that the fat greedy drunken [with power] corporate gov wearing the suits in Washington and their cronies around the globe are somehow "incapable" or "unlikely" to be be any less up to their eyeballs in this than they have been at selling this country out by the trillion?

If Al Kidya was what they are telling us, they could have easily have brought this country to it's financial knees by Christmas 2001. Not just "possibly" - easily.

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Darn, just when I think I've gone over the top in the sarcasm department, you come along and raise the bar.
I'll just say that the views you've expressed are idiotic in the extreme, and reflect a lack of knowledge combined with a paranoia and Jew-hatred that I am happy I dont see more often.