"Mr. & Mrs. America, turn them all in."

[BReilley]

Who is this Obama? Oh the guy that replaced Bush!! I can't make myself call him Pres...Pr...Presi...nope can't do it.

He doesn't want to be called President, just call Him "Comrade".  And don't forget the red letters while quoting Him.

[seeker_two]

Shouldn't this stir up the same hornet's nest? Treaties must be ratified by congress. Whether by treaty or law any further infringements should not be tolerated.

Absolutely.....and we need to be ready to sting if any of this comes about...

[grumpyguido]

Got em and gonna keep em.

[Tallpine]

At this point, I'm not too worried about my "retirement"

[Hawkmoon]

I think you're wrong, Don't Care.

We've got Heller protecting something like that.  We've got state Constitutions protecting something like that.

I don't put a lot of faith in state constitutions. Heller will, of necessity, require the Congress to respect it if they try to pass any sweeping new gun laws, but the states? My state's constitution has a 2nd Amendment-type clause in it that's even stronger and more explicit than the 2A ... and yet in my state it is not possible to purchase a handgun without a permission slip from the state, or a carry permit. And it is not legal to carry a handgun -- open OR concealed -- without a permit. The laws are clearly unconstitutional under the state constitution, but the problem is testing it requires that someone be arrested and convicted so they have legal standing to appeal, and who wants to be the test case? Especially with an overwhelmingly liberal state supreme court that would more than likely twist the clear language of the constitution to support the laws rather than the original intent of the constitution.

[Tallpine]

Okay, I've about had it with some of you folks 

Just what the hell makes you think that it's all going to stop with gun confiscations

You might be going back to your Hot Shower and SUV and fancy Coffee for a little while, but once your guns are gone they will be coming back to take you away for "re-education" or whatever else they will be calling it. 

[Manedwolf]

Okay, I've about had it with some of you folks 

Just what the hell makes you think that it's all going to stop with gun confiscations

You might be going back to your Hot Shower and SUV and fancy Coffee for a little while, but once your guns are gone they will be coming back to take you away for "re-education" or whatever else they will be calling it. 

Be realistic. People don't eject out of a plane that seems to be flying level, departing a warm cabin violently into a cold storm, unless there's a very good reason to.

People are not going to give up their entire family, property and lives for the contents of a safe.

[seeker_two]

Just what the hell makes you think that it's all going to stop with gun confiscations

People are not going to give up their entire family, property and lives for the contents of a safe.

Something to think about....only 20-30% of the American colonists actually FOUGHT the British  in the Revolutionary War....and fewer than that many Americans participated in the civil rights movement...most stayed in the comfort of their homes...and you know how those turned out....

While not many will fight, the ones that will can make a lot of fuss for the establishment...

...watching what happens could be interesting....

[Tallpine]

People are not going to give up their entire family, property and lives for the contents of a safe.

You're going to be giving up all that anyway - sooner or later - once that safe is empty.

Unless, of course, you don't think exercising your First Amendment rights is worth the effort/risk either ...  :rolleyes:

It ain't just about chunks of machined metal.

Well, I guess I know now what course others will take ... :(

[Manedwolf]

I think some people have watched "Red Dawn" too many times.  :rolleyes:

Fight in the courts.

[Tallpine]

I think some people have watched "Red Dawn" too many times.  :rolleyes:

Never even seen it.

[Don't care]

Never even seen it.

Wolveriiiines!

[freedom lover]

I think some people have watched "Red Dawn" too many times.  :rolleyes:

Fight in the courts.

That's so true. We could never beat a great military power in the long run. And that, my friends, is why we must fight now, through legal activism; before it gets so bad that we have to use guns.

[Lennyjoe]

I watched Red Dawn twice this weekend.

[TommyGunn]

That's so true. We could never beat a great military power in the long run. And that, my friends, is why we must fight now, through legal activism; before it gets so bad that we have to use guns.

Some people thought that about the Redcoats in 1776.


We should exhaust legal (court) remedies first.  I have little hope of it being successful after Obamarx gets his judges in ... but we need to exhaust legal recourse before we turn elsewhere.

[Bigjake]

Nobody is advocating going toe to toe with the U.S. Military.  Politicians OTOH, would be more than fair game.

[Zed]

We should exhaust legal (court) remedies first.  I have little hope of it being successful after Obamarx gets his judges in ... but we need to exhaust legal recourse before we turn elsewhere.

Haven't we Already?

[seeker_two]

We should exhaust legal (court) remedies first.  I have little hope of it being successful after Obamarx gets his judges in ... but we need to exhaust legal recourse before we turn elsewhere.

I agree....but, when you've seen a gov't ignore the law and legal rulings for so long.....hope fades fast.... 

[Manedwolf]

Well well WELL...

http://change.gov/agenda/urbanpolicy/

"The page you requested is not available right now."

Did someone notice that it spilled the beans?

[Nick1911]

Well well WELL...

http://change.gov/agenda/urbanpolicy/

"The page you requested is not available right now."

Did someone notice that it spilled the beans?

That's a little odd.  If it comes back up without the AWB II section, I'll be officially creeped out.  In a "time to buy more hardware" kind of way.  Wonder when they will start to try to close the "NFA loophole" and get rid of the NFA toys...

[Boomhauer]

There's nothing under the "Agenda" section, except these two paragraphs, unless I'm mistaken...

The Agenda

President-Elect Obama and Vice President-Elect Biden have developed innovative approaches to challenge the status quo in Washington and to bring about the kind of change America needs.

The Obama Administration has a comprehensive and detailed agenda to carry out its policies. The principal priorities of the Obama Administration include: a plan to revive the economy, to fix our health care, education, and social security systems, to define a clear path to energy independence, to end the war in Iraq responsibly and finish our mission in Afghanistan, and to work with our allies to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, among many other domestic and foreign policy objective

[Manedwolf]

There's nothing under the "Agenda" section, except these two paragraphs, unless I'm mistaken...

There was till today!

[Zed]

Well well WELL...

http://change.gov/agenda/urbanpolicy/

"The page you requested is not available right now."

Did someone notice that it spilled the beans?

Here is what it did say.

Address Gun Violence in Cities:  As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.

[MicroBalrog]

Be realistic. People don't eject out of a plane that seems to be flying level, departing a warm cabin violently into a cold storm, unless there's a very good reason to.

Why is it people think there are two alternatives only  - only 'going on as before' or 'violent uprising'?

[taurusowner]

Probably because human being have a natural aversion to upsets in the status quo, and tend to ignore and discount anything but the most obvious changes.  The whole "frog in boiling water."  People don't want to feel the water getting hotter.