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Obama: Don't stock up on guns
« on: December 08, 2008, 05:15:41 PM »
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1318968,obama-gun-sales-up-120808.article

As gun sales shoot up around the country, President-elect Barack Obama said Sunday that gun-owning Americans do not need to rush out and stock up before he is sworn in next month.
"I believe in common-sense gun safety laws, and I believe in the second amendment," Obama said at a news conference. "Lawful gun owners have nothing to fear. I said that throughout the campaign. I haven't indicated anything different during the transition. I think people can take me at my word."

But National Rifle Association spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said it's not Obama's words — but his legislative track record — that has gun-buyers flocking to the stores.

"Prior to his campaign for president, his record as a state legislator and as a U.S. Senator shows he voted for the most stringent forms of gun control, the most Draconian legislation, gun bans, ammunition bans and even an increase in federal excise taxes up to 500 percent for every gun and firearm sold," Arulanandam said.

Obama answered "yes" in 1996 to a questionnaire from an Illinois group on whether he supported a handgun ban. But he later said a staffer filled out that answer and he did not support a ban.

Nationally, background checks for gun purchases jumped nearly 49 percent during the week Obama was elected, compared with the same time period last year, according to the FBI's National Instant Background Check System.

Anecdotally, gun dealers around the country have reported spikes in sales. The Illinois State Rifle Association Reports gun sales for November were 38 percent higher than last year.

"We don't dispute [the gun sales hike] because the numbers from the federal system certainly confirm that there is increased activity out there. We just think it's a bit stupid," said Peter Hamm, spokesman for the Brady Campaign against Gun Violence.

"Anyone who thinks they need to rush out and buy a firearm clearly has not been paying attention to how quickly we make progress on this issue. We don't think these are first-time buyers. We think they are people who already have more than enough guns at their homes to protect themselves and are buying more."

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Re: Obama: Don't stock up on guns
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2008, 05:19:45 PM »
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We think they are people who already have more than enough guns at their homes to protect themselves and are buying more."

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Re: Obama: Don't stock up on guns
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2008, 05:20:14 PM »
 :rolleyes:

Obama can say what he wants, but the writing is on the wall, and gun owners know it.

"common-sense gun safety laws" == no EBR, no pistol, no CCW

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Re: Obama: Don't stock up on guns
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2008, 05:30:21 PM »
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Re: Obama: Don't stock up on guns
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2008, 05:34:36 PM »
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"Lawful gun owners have nothing to fear. I said that throughout the campaign. I haven't indicated anything different during the transition. I think people can take me at my word."

I would ... if his "word" wasn't so blatantly, utterly, and completely contradicted by his deeds.

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Re: Obama: Don't stock up on guns
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2008, 05:39:18 PM »
He's already going back on just about every promise he made to his disciples...er, followers. Why should we believe him?

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Re: Obama: Don't stock up on guns
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2008, 05:39:49 PM »
"We don't dispute [the gun sales hike] because the numbers from the federal system certainly confirm that there is increased activity out there. We just think it's a bit stupid," said Peter Hamm, spokesman for the Brady Campaign against Gun Violence.

"Anyone who thinks they need to rush out and buy a firearm clearly has not been paying attention to how quickly we make progress on this issue. We don't think these are first-time buyers. We think they are people who already have more than enough guns at their homes to protect themselves and are buying more."



So Peter do you only have one set of clothes, one pair of shoes and one writing pen? Well you analogy about firearm ownership would apply to that also.



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Re: Obama: Don't stock up on guns
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2008, 05:40:34 PM »
He is being honest. Think about what "common sense regulation" means to him.

Think about how things are in Chicago. That's his common sense model to follow.

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Re: Obama: Don't stock up on guns
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2008, 05:43:40 PM »
I know one friend who bought his first pistol and is going for his concealed permit. 

I know another who had a few guns and went ahead and pulled the trigger for AR's and is looking at pistols.

Every time I have been in gun stores the last couple months, I almost always see a wife or other person asking questions such that they sound like they don't own one and are looking to buy.  So IMO, it is not just existing gun owners doing all the buying. 
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Re: Obama: Don't stock up on guns
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2008, 05:48:20 PM »
I know one friend who bought his first pistol and is going for his concealed permit. 

I know another who had a few guns and went ahead and pulled the trigger for AR's and is looking at pistols.

Every time I have been in gun stores the last couple months, I almost always see a wife or other person asking questions such that they sound like they don't own one and are looking to buy.  So IMO, it is not just existing gun owners doing all the buying. 

The only bad thing about that is that there's lots of people without any training buying stuff, and they really...really need to take a class. The ones asking where the bullets go, covering everyone in the store, all that.

Because they're the ones who are going to have an ND, and they're the ones who are going to be used by the Obamatons as proof that guns in the home are too dangerous and cause tragedies.

I really, really wish the NRA would put out an ad campaign of "Getting a gun? Get educated." to prevent that. Show someone getting into a car for the first time, driving the wrong way into traffic and all that, and then talk about the responsibility of owning a gun. Convince people to take a class.

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Re: Obama: Don't stock up on guns
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2008, 11:26:01 PM »
Dude that's just not.... right or something. I feel dirty inside now.
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Re: Obama: Don't stock up on guns
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2008, 11:31:44 PM »
Reply to the OP:

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Obama: Don't stock up on guns "


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Re: Obama: Don't stock up on guns
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2008, 11:59:59 PM »
Obama: "Don't stock up on guns."
The unsaid parts:
"It will just make it more difficult for us when we come to take them away."
or
"It will have just cost you more when they are all banned and you have to turn them in."
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Re: Obama: Don't stock up on guns
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2008, 12:04:45 AM »
Obama says not to stock up on guns.  What better encouragement could there be?

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Re: Obama: Don't stock up on guns
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2008, 12:15:50 AM »
That picture made me cringe a bit inside. All those innocent firearms, and no-one there to save them! =(
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Re: Obama: Don't stock up on guns
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2008, 01:11:31 AM »
"I believe in common-sense gun safety laws, and I believe in the second amendment"

That statement right there makes me VERY fearful of what this idiot is going to try to do.


"I think people can take me at my word."

Uhm... you're a politician. No way in hell will I ever take you at your word.
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Obama says "don't stock up on guns"
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2008, 01:40:26 AM »
sweet, nothing to worry about :rolleyes:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1318968,obama-gun-sales-up-120808.article

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As gun sales shoot up around the country, President-elect Barack Obama said Sunday that gun-owning Americans do not need to rush out and stock up before he is sworn in next month.

"I believe in common-sense gun safety laws, and I believe in the second amendment," Obama said at a news conference. "Lawful gun owners have nothing to fear. I said that throughout the campaign. I haven't indicated anything different during the transition. I think people can take me at my word."

But National Rifle Association spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said it's not Obama's words — but his legislative track record — that has gun-buyers flocking to the stores.

"Prior to his campaign for president, his record as a state legislator and as a U.S. Senator shows he voted for the most stringent forms of gun control, the most Draconian legislation, gun bans, ammunition bans and even an increase in federal excise taxes up to 500 percent for every gun and firearm sold," Arulanandam said.

Obama answered "yes" in 1996 to a questionnaire from an Illinois group on whether he supported a handgun ban. But he later said a staffer filled out that answer and he did not support a ban.

Nationally, background checks for gun purchases jumped nearly 49 percent during the week Obama was elected, compared with the same time period last year, according to the FBI's National Instant Background Check System.

Anecdotally, gun dealers around the country have reported spikes in sales. The Illinois State Rifle Association Reports gun sales for November were 38 percent higher than last year.

"We don't dispute [the gun sales hike] because the numbers from the federal system certainly confirm that there is increased activity out there. We just think it's a bit stupid," said Peter Hamm, spokesman for the Brady Campaign against Gun Violence.

"Anyone who thinks they need to rush out and buy a firearm clearly has not been paying attention to how quickly we make progress on this issue. We don't think these are first-time buyers. We think they are people who already have more than enough guns at their homes to protect themselves and are buying more."
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Re: Obama: Don't stock up on guns
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2008, 04:00:34 AM »
Is it just me or does a lot of the guns in that picture look like regular hunting rifles and stuff?  :O

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"I believe in common-sense gun safety laws, and I believe in the second amendment"

lol, the way he worded it seems to make it imply as if he knows that "common-sense" gun laws are anti-2A.
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Re: Obama says "don't stock up on guns"
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2008, 04:02:43 AM »
"so I ended up getting the above because I didn't want to make a whole production of sticking something between my knees and cranking. To me, the cranking on mine is pretty effortless, at least on the coarse setting. Maybe if someone has arthritis or something, it would be more difficult for them." - Ben

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Re: Obama: Don't stock up on guns
« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2008, 04:26:17 AM »
Is it just me or does a lot of the guns in that picture look like regular hunting rifles and stuff?  :O

lol, the way he worded it seems to make it imply as if he knows that "common-sense" gun laws are anti-2A.
Wouldn't surprise me. After all, that which is just your old mans .30-06 deer rifle to you, is "OMG EBIL SNIPER RIFLE" to the gun haters.
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Re: Obama: Don't stock up on guns
« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2008, 04:32:04 AM »
Evidently the good O hasn't figured out the difference between words and actions.
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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2008, 05:18:10 AM »
Evidently the good O hasn't figured out the difference between words and actions.
No, he just assumes us lowly peasants were born yesterday, that we don't check voting records, that we don't check newspaper archives and such. I bet that he honestly thought he'd actually get away with it...
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« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2008, 06:52:34 AM »
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President-elect Barack Obama said Sunday that gun-owning Americans do not need to rush out and stock up before he is sworn in next month.

So who is he trying to convince and why?

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« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2008, 08:12:05 AM »
http://www.gunowners.org/pres08/obama.htm
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Barack Obama's Gun-Related Votes in the U.S. Senate

Supporting concealed carry for citizens   
Anti-gun

Banning many common semi-automatic firearms   
Anti-gun

Disallowing self-defense in towns where guns are banned   
Anti-gun

Imposing one handgun a month restriction
Anti-gun

Requiring lock up your safety trigger locks   
Anti-gun

Protecting gun dealers from frivolous lawsuits   
Anti-gun

Outlawing gun confiscations during a national emergency   
Pro-gun

Squelching the free speech rights of gun owners   
Anti-gun

Restricting the interstate sales of firearms   
Anti-gun

Repealing the gun ban in Washington   
Anti-gun
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http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm
On the Issues has this:

Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual's right to bear arms?

A: "As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it."

Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?

A: "I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don't have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets."

Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, "No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns."

Actually, Obama's writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:

Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

Obama's campaign said, "Sen. Obama didn't fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn't reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn't reflect his views."

Q: You said recently, "I have no intention of taking away folks' guns." But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you've said that it's constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?

A: "Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it's important for us to recognize that we've got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people's traditions."

Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?

A: "I don't think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts by law enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I intend to make it happen. We essentially have two realities, when it comes to guns, in this country. You've got the tradition of lawful gun ownership. It is very important for many Americans to be able to hunt, fish, take their kids out, teach them how to shoot. Then you've got the reality of 34 Chicago public school students who get shot down on the streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making sure the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to lawfully own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses of firearms that we see on the streets."

Obama sought moderate gun control measures, such as a 2000 bill he cosponsored to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not pass). He voted against letting people violate local weapons bans in cases of self-defense, but also voted in 2004 to let retired police officers carry concealed handguns.

Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois senate that allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcing and expanding gun control laws. So this vote jumped out as inconsistent.

When queried him about the vote, he said, "I didn't find that [vote] surprising. I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry. This was a narrow exception in an exceptional circumstance where a retired police officer might find himself vulnerable as a consequence of the work he has previously done--and had been trained extensively in the proper use of firearms."

It wasn't until a few weeks later that another theory came forward about the uncharacteristic vote. Obama was battling with his GOP opponent to win the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police.

Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause of death among African-American men?

A: "You know, when the massacre happened at Virginia Tech, I think all of us were grief stricken and shocked by the carnage. But in this year alone, in Chicago, we've had 34 Chicago public school students gunned down and killed. And for the most part, there has been silence. We know what to do. We've got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books. We've got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren't loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they're not made in our communities. There aren't any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit. But what we also have to do is to make sure that we change our politics so that we care just as much about those 30-some children in Chicago who've been shot as we do the children in Virginia Tech. That's a mindset that we have to have in the White House and we don't have it right now."

"I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manufacturer's lobby. But I also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality. Not only do we need to punish that man for his crime, but we need to acknowledge that there's a hole in his heart, one that government programs alone may not be able to repair."

Illinois Senate Debate, Oct 21, 2004:  "Let's be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban."

Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions
    * Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
    * Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
    * Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.
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A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:

* Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
* Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
* Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
* Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
* Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices


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Re: Obama: Don't stock up on guns
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2008, 08:47:18 AM »
"I believe in common-sense gun safety laws, and I believe in the second amendment"

That statement right there makes me VERY fearful of what this idiot is going to try to do.
Mitt Romney also said he believed in the Second Amendment and a ban on assault weapons . . . in one sentence.  :rolleyes:

I believe in common-sense gun safety laws, too . . . for example, even if he has the money, I don't believe an unaccompanied 8-year old ought to be able to simply walk into a gun shop and buy guns and ammo. I'm quite sure that if he had his way, Obama would substitute "anyone" for "unaccompanied 8-year old."
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