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Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« on: December 14, 2008, 02:27:17 PM »
A surprise visit by US President George Bush to Iraq has been overshadowed by an incident in which two shoes were thrown at him during a news conference.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7782422.stm

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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2008, 02:40:41 PM »
Who throws a shoe?  Honestly?
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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2008, 02:41:28 PM »
Who throws a shoe?  Honestly?

The article states that it is the ultimate insult.

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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2008, 02:42:58 PM »
Who throws a shoe?  Honestly?

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If it happened to Obama, there would be lots of hand-wringing from the press.  "Why can't they learn to cooperate?  Obama only wants to help them change!" 

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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2008, 02:44:08 PM »
Who throws a shoe?  Honestly?

In that culture, hitting someone with a shoe or throwing a shoe at them is a grievous insult. You are telling them that they are lower than the very dirt under your shoes. This applies to a good portion of the middle east in general. Even showing someone the sole of a shoe is an insult, so you would not go to, say, Dubai and sit with your feet up on a coffeetable facing someone. It would be like sitting there giving the other person the finger.

Videos can be seen of Iraqis hitting portraits of Sadaam with shoes before they were torn down.

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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2008, 02:44:36 PM »
In many Middle East countries, showing your shoe soles to a person, throwing a shoe or hitting someone with a shoe is a grave insult.  Recall when the Marines pulled down the Saddam Hussein statute in 2003 in Iraq, the number of spectators throwing their shoes or beating the statute with their shoes.
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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2008, 02:46:48 PM »
So LadySmith is a secret Iraqi?
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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2008, 02:46:52 PM »
He was quoting Austin Powers, people.  No need to try to show-case your brilliant insights into Mid-East culture. 
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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2008, 02:48:47 PM »
If he had asked 'who bangs a shoe?', I would have answered Khrushchev at the United Nations.   :angel:
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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2008, 02:49:56 PM »
Instead of flipping the bird, you throw a shoe. Try it at your next business meeting.  =D

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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2008, 02:51:57 PM »
Indeed, merely a harmless quotation from the 1997 spy spoof.  Thanks, though, for saving me the trouble of checking the CIA factbook for shoe throwing.
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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2008, 03:40:39 PM »
They can pretty much kiss my....  We rebuilt it and we can blow it up again and leave the country for the scavengers. 
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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2008, 05:40:43 PM »
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A surprise visit by US President George Bush to Iraq has been overshadowed by an incident in which two shoes were thrown at him during a news conference
Yawn.

So what's the big deal?  1 pair of shoes out of the whole damn visit?  I'd rather hear of a pair of shoes thrown instead of an attempt on his life.

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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2008, 05:43:21 PM »
Ingrate journalistas--the same the world over.

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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2008, 05:56:45 PM »
OMG, someone doesn't like Bush!  They threw their shoes at him.  Alert the media!

Frankly, who gives a bleep?  Besides, it must be Bush's fault, anyway.

ETA:  I meant the above as a dig at our illustrious media, not anyone here on APS.  My apologies if it was taken as such.
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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2008, 09:43:38 PM »
Prez has some good reflexes.

Good on him.

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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2008, 09:47:24 PM »
Is it really an insult if Bush doesn't feel insulted?
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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2008, 09:51:19 PM »
They can pretty much kiss my....  We rebuilt it and we can blow it up again and leave the country for the scavengers. 

You can't please everyone.  Besides, you know this guy is a household name in Iraq now, agree with him or not.

That probably had more to do with it than anything.
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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2008, 12:03:00 AM »
Prez has some good reflexes.

Good on him.

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He does! Nice dodge there. Graceful, and calm afterwards.

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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2008, 01:20:31 PM »
George W could make a pretty good Ninja.
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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2008, 01:52:38 PM »
Who throws a shoe?  Honestly?

You haven't been here long, have you?

Watch for footwear flying from afar.  Heels, probably.

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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2008, 02:13:38 PM »
I liked Bush's response.  Sort of pushed it back on the journalists asking him about it.

Speaking of shoe throwing:  I saw a Smashing Pumpkins concert cut short by shoes.  Some idiot threw his shoe at the lead singer who said the predictable "one more time and we are out of here".  Sure enough, about 20 minutes later, there goes another shoe onto the stage.  Concert over.  Got to see at least an hour though.  :)
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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2008, 02:28:11 PM »
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Who throws a shoe?  Honestly?

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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2008, 03:00:39 PM »
Who throws a shoe?  Honestly?

Was it Eddie Murphy who did a stand up routine about the women in his family that threw shoes?

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Re: Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2008, 03:06:35 PM »
Yes, Raw (IIRC).
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