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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #50 on: August 22, 2009, 09:04:28 PM »
Amazingly I have no intention of doing any drugs except for caffeine. Which is legal.

For now.  We can also clamp down on sodomy, prostitution, porn, and such.  And explosives.  And pain medications.  Let us now which of those you intend to avoid, so we can outlaw everything else.   :angel:
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #51 on: August 22, 2009, 09:31:25 PM »
For now.  We can also clamp down on sodomy, prostitution, porn, and such.  And explosives.  And pain medications.  Let us now which of those you intend to avoid, so we can outlaw everything else.   :angel:

Aren't you already doing that?
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #52 on: August 22, 2009, 11:01:29 PM »
was amongst a passle of get tuff on crime laws   kinda like 3 strikes and mandatory sentences
I kind of figured the guy probably had no money and couldn't hire a lawyer.  That was why I made the statment originally about this stuff wrecking your entire life.  It is also a very good reason to maintain a small amount of savings.  You might need it to get a lawyer to help you out on stuff like this.

As far as nothing getting back to the department and these cops personally, the fact that these are breath mints leads me to think that cop was lying his butt off about the drugs and about the "I saw him buying drugs earlier" statement.  Of course, it is also possible this guy runs with a bad crowd which is what got him noticed by the officer.  If he had priors, that sort of fits.
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #53 on: August 22, 2009, 11:29:13 PM »
the reason i suspect priors is that his lawyer didn't bring up his clients law abiding history.  they telegraph by what they don't say
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #54 on: August 22, 2009, 11:47:27 PM »
the reason i suspect priors is that his lawyer didn't bring up his clients law abiding history.  they telegraph by what they don't say

That sound you don't hear is the sound of me caring about this man's priors.
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #55 on: August 22, 2009, 11:54:57 PM »
thats cool you didn't get a vote. sadly in some states a guy with a record has to post even on the most bogus charge.  lots of anomalies like that.  i know a moron got a felony for stealing 22 bucks worth of gas.
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #56 on: August 22, 2009, 11:57:54 PM »
I assume there is a story behind that.
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #57 on: August 23, 2009, 12:00:27 AM »
another legal anomaly. in virginia your third prtty larceny the state has the option of upgradiing it to a felony. they did. the guys a jerk   typical addict/thief  i think that law was made for folks like him
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #58 on: August 23, 2009, 12:01:49 AM »
You know, my patience for thieves is very very little. Still I can't help but shake my head sadly at this.
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #59 on: August 23, 2009, 12:05:49 AM »
might not if you met him  i can muster some vague empathy for a guy stealing to feed his kids. this fool is 40 lives with mommy and daddy is a decent plumber so can and does make good money.  his parents couldn't keep gas in a gas can for their lawnmower without it disappearing. hes ripped them off countless times and is doing life on the installment plan. i think he likes jail
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #60 on: August 23, 2009, 12:11:26 AM »
Why didn't they do a blood test???? That would have shown if he had drugs in his system! :O

They may have. It would still have to be tested at a lab.

errrrr... can i ask a question? somebody has to know... what does crack smell like? i mean, it doesn't smell like peperments or altoids or something, does it? and i'm sure you can detect oder without getting an involentary dose of crack...  =|

I don't know what it smells like. You could detect the odor by wafting it, but that can be unreliable. I wouldn't stick my nose near it. Sometimes the rocks are small and have loose grains broken off. The mints could have been crushed. There's more than one type of breath mint.


Amazingly I have no intention of doing any drugs except for caffeine. Which is legal.

You don't drink, even during holidays? I ask because it seems like us nondrinkers are in the minority on this board.

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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #61 on: August 23, 2009, 12:32:07 AM »
I drink in very, very small amounts, very, very rarely. The last alcohol I consumed was a pair of glasses of champagne and it was 7 months and 23 days ago, on New Year's Eve, specifically because it was New Year's Eve.

This statement is not to be interpreted as a condemnation of drinking. There is nothing at all morally wrong with drinking.
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #62 on: August 23, 2009, 12:36:59 AM »
the only drug i do is caffeine  butlots of that  no booze at all anymore  i had plentyof booze before i quit
crack doesn't really smell till you smoke it.  then it smells plenty. heck i quit that nonsense before they called it crack but i still remember the smell   like burning plastic  sorta




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It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #63 on: August 23, 2009, 01:20:28 AM »
Aren't you already doing that?

No.  I can't tell if you were serious or joking. 
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #64 on: August 23, 2009, 01:29:35 AM »
i had plenty crack doesn't really smell till you smoke it.  then it smells plenty

Good to know.

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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #65 on: August 23, 2009, 08:23:57 AM »
They may have. It would still have to be tested at a lab.

I don't know what it smells like. You could detect the odor by wafting it, but that can be unreliable. I wouldn't stick my nose near it. Sometimes the rocks are small and have loose grains broken off. The mints could have been crushed. There's more than one type of breath mint.


You don't drink, even during holidays? I ask because it seems like us nondrinkers are in the minority on this board.

It may be tested at a lab but it doesn't take three months to get the results!! =|

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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #66 on: August 23, 2009, 09:17:10 AM »
It may be tested at a lab but it doesn't take three months to get the results!! =|
With a backlog it can.  The time frame for results isn't the idiocy here, it's holding him with no actual evidence IMO.
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #67 on: August 23, 2009, 10:06:25 AM »
No.  I can't tell if you were serious or joking. 

I am joking WRT you, personally, working to eliminate prostitution, porn, etc.

I am not joking WRT Western society in general slowly working towards a world where these are restricted.
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #68 on: August 23, 2009, 10:21:18 AM »
funny i see those restrictions getting lighter not tighter
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #69 on: August 23, 2009, 10:40:35 AM »
funny i see those restrictions getting lighter not tighter

I thought so, too.   =|
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #70 on: August 23, 2009, 11:29:16 AM »
Sodomy/prostitution/porn:

Being gay has become more socially acceptable, and it's slowly dragging the other sexual orientations along with it. However, I don't believe that liberal/leftists are actually “for” freedom on this issue, because leftists are not for freedom. They have a set of acceptable minorities (gays, ethnic minorities, and so forth) and rights (free speech - “to a degree”, privacy - “to a degree”) for whom they will stand up because it is profitable to do so. They oppose the fashion industry because it “exploits” women, they oppose prostitution, they oppose a whole load of stuff because that's not part of their 'list of stuff to support to be tolerant. As such, I don't trust them even on the issues where they ostensibly support freedom. With the slowly-increasing creep of the state, it'll get back to gays and lesbians eventually, too.

Pain medications:

Ha. Let's just say your government is moving to ban Vicodin and a slew of other meds right now.

Explosives:

Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha.
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #71 on: August 23, 2009, 11:55:25 AM »
Obviously, what we need is pain-killing explosive sodomite prostitutes. 

With genetically engineered pheromones that attract only congresscritters.

Toss in a few pinhole cameras and we could blackmail all of Congress into doing the right thing.
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #72 on: August 23, 2009, 12:10:26 PM »
3.  What is the "field test" for crack cocaine and why does it have any weight at all when lab testing takes months?  It seems to me he could have held the guy there a couple hours and it would have been obvious very fast if he was chewing on crack cocaine.

If you watch cops, it consists of putting a sample of the questionable substance in a vial and putting a few drops of something on it.  If it turns purple, it's cocaine.

It may be as accurate as military chem weapon detection strips that set off on things such as bug spray.

I assume his car was left wherever he was picked up, so they then towed it and auctioned it. I suppose he might have had someone able to pick the car up from the road or the pound, but they knew where he was and still auctioned it. I dunno, I think I'd be pissed about that, in addition to the three months in jail.

3 months in jail - I think it shouldn't be legal to hold somebody 'awaiting trial' for longer than the possible sentence.
As for the car - No selling of car until conviction.  Presumed innocent, remember?

Personally, I think the police department owes him:
1.  A new car - Well, a 'new for him' used one of the same retail value of the one they probably sold at cut rate prices.  IE if he had a '02 Saturn, they have to pay him enough to get a '02 saturn of about the same miles from a dealer.
2.  3 months wages.  
3.  Replacement value for the 'stuff' he lost because he lost his apartment.

The apartment itself is a wash - he can afford to put a deposit and first month's rent on another off of what he wasn't spending on it while in jail.

Then again, the Police are responsible for any penalties/deposit forfeitures.

Basically, they treated this guy as guilty and violated his right to a speedy trial.

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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #73 on: August 23, 2009, 12:33:22 PM »
Personally, I think the police department owes him:
1.  A new car - Well, a 'new for him' used one of the same retail value of the one they probably sold at cut rate prices.  IE if he had a '02 Saturn, they have to pay him enough to get a '02 saturn of about the same miles from a dealer.
2.  3 months wages.  
3.  Replacement value for the 'stuff' he lost because he lost his apartment.

The apartment itself is a wash - he can afford to put a deposit and first month's rent on another off of what he wasn't spending on it while in jail.

Then again, the Police are responsible for any penalties/deposit forfeitures.

Basically, they treated this guy as guilty and violated his right to a speedy trial.

They owe him a hell of a lot more than that.  They violated his rights and wasted 3 months of his life.  It's pretty damn hard to put a dollar figure on time, and there needs to be a very stiff penalty for violating someone's rights.

Replacing his car and paying him 3 months worth of wages is simply inadequate (especially considering the fact he will probably lose a hell of a lot more than 3 months.  In this economy, it could take several more months just trying to find a new job).
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Re: Mints Believed To Be Crack Land Man In Jail
« Reply #74 on: August 23, 2009, 12:34:22 PM »
Obviously, what we need is pain-killing explosive sodomite prostitutes. 

With genetically engineered pheromones that attract only congresscritters.

Toss in a few pinhole cameras and we could blackmail all of Congress into doing the right thing.

Assuming there are any congress-critters left to blackmail... :O
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