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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2009, 05:25:22 PM »
They should stop pretending...

Or at the very least, they could stop deceiving themselves.  You can't do much objective reporting, if you can't admit your own biases.


As others have said, bias in journalism is not new.  What is so dangerous about the current situation is that the vast majority of the established news outlets are biased in one direction.  And now the one TV news outlet that doesn't share that bias is being attacked by a sitting president and his staff as "not real news."  Add to that the threat of a new Fairness Doctrine (in whatever form), to crack down on dissent in talk radio.  Spooky times. 

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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2009, 08:57:35 PM »
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I'm quite annoyed actually. 
Fox is horrible and needs to die in a fire, as long as MSNBC, and CNN closely follow.
Most TV news is about ratings, not news.  Fox caters to what conservatives "already know to be true" while MSNBC caters to what liberals "already know to be true".  Neither outlet does any real serious news gathering, and contribute to ignorance in this country in its watchers, increasing the empty echo chamber which is TV political coverage.

Not sure what Obama, or any other public figure can really do (like or hate 'em) but I can completely understand Obama here, even though I think he's overdoing it.

Naahhh, not all of Fox needs to die.  The news shows are pretty good but I could do without Beck.  O'Reilly and Hannity are entertaining to watch, much more so than a dweeb like Keith Olbermann.  The word to describe why Obama thinks he can get away with this is hubris. 

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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2009, 09:25:50 PM »
Beck and his weepy self is the guy who has brought some of hte best Obama dirt to light.
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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2009, 10:20:23 PM »
What with all the "how much bias is there really?"

Commercial journalism exists for one purpose - to make money.  Be it selling air time or print ads, that's the bottom line.  Trying to make one particular outlet less biased than another is, well... it's just laughable.  They are all biased.  The sad part is that people in the general public somehow thing that "journalistic integrity" actually exists in the real world just like it's supposed to.  It can't.  So long as the news media exists as a for-profit entity, or if there is a human in the mix, there will be bias.

Fox News has, to their credit, figured out that the VAST majority of the country is situated outside the borders of New York/DC and Los Angeles.  They have set up their programming and their news reporting guidelines to cater to that audience.  And it's worked.  Their market share numbers prove it.  Obama and his cronies hate it because they aren't stupid.  They know their future is directly tied to those of us outside the real-world ignorance of the beltway and the make-believe environs of Holly-La-La-wood.

Successful, and trying to report in a way that will generate viewers among those of us in flyover country?  Definitely.  Unbiased?  No.  They are simply biased in a way attractive to those of us who work for a living.

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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2009, 10:34:04 PM »
If profit was the only motivating factor in journalism, then all the other news networks would imitate Fox News.  Fox has the proven, effective formula for how to be successful in network news.

Seems to me that pushing a lefty ideology is at least as important to the other journalism sources as turning a profit.  Probably more important.  They certainly act like it is.

I also think a reason for Fox's unrivaled success is that none of the other networks are willing to give up their left-leaning agendas.  This leave Fox the only player in the "don't beat your viewers over the head with your leftie agenda" market space.  Fox has the market cornered by default.

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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2009, 10:44:28 PM »
If profit was the only motivating factor in journalism, then all the other news networks would imitate Fox News.

In this case it is directly tied to tradition.  It's a case of "it's been this way so long it can't be any other way".  They exist as a profit-making entity, but their traditions have become so blinding even that they are instutionally unable change with the business times.  In their eyes, and in the entrenched traditions of their network, anyone who disagrees with them must be nutty.  Therefor, this conservative movement thing must be a passing fancy and it will all go back to normal soon.

This kind of institutional tradition is hard to shake, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.  It takes an enormous shakeup for them to stop, take stock, and figure out "hey, maybe we should rethink this".  The old-guard news agencies are finally getting the drift, but only after a couple years of falling viewership and circulation have forced it upon them. 

Fox News has the luxury of being a relative newcomer, and being founded by a businessman rather than a "journalist".  As an institution they have enough of a buisness mindset to know which side their bread is buttered on.  They are capitalizing on the fact that most of the country was/is completely fed up with the way their news was being slanted.  They also know (or at least give the appearance of trying) that people will go do their own fact-checking via the interwebz.  CNN, MSNBC, and a the major lib newspapers still haven't figured out that this internet thing allows folks to see what really happened, not just the newsies particular views on it.

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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2009, 09:01:58 PM »
Rush seems to find joy in pointing out how a lot of the more liberal news outlets are losing ratings and/or readers.  If they were just after money, you would think they would be firing executives and changing major news anchors more often. 
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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2009, 09:48:09 PM »
It's a matter of ideology trumping business sense.  They are so dead-set they are right no matter what that they will cling to a sinking ship.

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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2009, 01:24:43 AM »
I watch Fox because they actually are Fair and Balanced.  When there's an issue they bring in people from both sides of political fence and fire the same questions to both sides.

If you watch the other networks, then the debate consists of the liberal vs the socialist.
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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2009, 08:33:33 AM »
Just more Unity Party pro-wrestling match here folks. Both Fox and Obama agree that at all costs the thing to be avoided is middle America going third party enmasse & tossing ALL the traitors out Left AND 'Right'.

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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2009, 02:19:36 PM »
Just more Unity Party pro-wrestling match here folks. Both Fox and Obama agree that at all costs the thing to be avoided is middle America going third party enmasse & tossing ALL the traitors out Left AND 'Right'.

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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2009, 02:24:36 PM »
ummmm :angel:

How does this mean anythig in response to nraforlife's comment?
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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #37 on: October 27, 2009, 02:42:40 PM »
did you watch the vid? maybe it didn't say what i thought =(

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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #38 on: October 27, 2009, 02:52:38 PM »
Just more Unity Party pro-wrestling match here folks. Both Fox and Obama agree that at all costs the thing to be avoided is middle America going third party enmasse & tossing ALL the traitors out Left AND 'Right'.

Actually, Glenn Beck (Fox) regularly says that both parties are full of it and should be tossed out.

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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2009, 03:39:09 PM »
Fox covers GOP scandals, and commentators on the network have criticized the GOP - for example, Hannity has repeatedly said that the GOP was spending money like drunken sailors, and IIRC, it was Ann Coulter that called the GOP "The Stupid Party." So Fox isn't a "Republican Channel."

On the other hand, when the other networks are covering Democrats - particularly liberal Democrats - they tend to ignore Democrat scandals, and overall their idea of balance when covering Democrats (especially BHO) is to split the difference between being unabashedly adoring and embarassingly lickspittle. ** 

Fox doesn't "spike" stories that make the Dems look bad, so, obviously, they need to be punished.




(** - Full disclosure: I heard something along these lines from a Fox commentator . . . but the comment still rings true!)
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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2009, 04:54:25 PM »
Actually, Glenn Beck (Fox) regularly says that both parties are full of it and should be tossed out.
At the very least, all the incumbents should kicked out.  However, I think you should start with the Democrats.  :)
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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2009, 05:18:35 PM »
There are some pretty good Republican incumbents out there.  Some pretty bad Republican incumbents, too, but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water here.

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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2009, 05:23:02 PM »
'Cause if you're not down with Third Party, you're a bad, bad person. 
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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2009, 07:11:59 PM »
There is no Third Party. That's what really amazes me. There is literally no alternative party right now. Where are all the people that were Republican back when Republicans were like, Republican? Did they all change? Or is there just NO PARTY for them?
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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #44 on: October 27, 2009, 07:23:36 PM »
Actually, Glenn Beck (Fox) regularly says that both parties are full of it and should be tossed out.

and when push comes to shove next Fall Beck will be right in there with Hannity and Limbaugh telling Americans that they MUST vote for the RINO's offered by the Repubs or die a horrible death at the hands of Harry Reid. Beck is just another Judas Goat safety valve to keep middle Americans from pondering much less acting upon Issues which could REALLY threaten those in control.

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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2009, 07:37:17 PM »
Right.  The Republican Party exists to serve as a safety valve to help keep the Democrats in power forever.

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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2009, 07:40:44 PM »
Right.  The Republican Party exists to serve as a safety valve to help keep the Democrats in power forever.

It all makes sense now! It's like the Matrix where it only worked because there was a "choice" between being in the Matrix and being outside. It all must actually be controlled by some SUPER computer and we accidentally created AI which is slowly taking over the world!

Er...

Umm...

Well, I, for one, welcome our new robotic overlords!
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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2009, 07:45:59 PM »
I, for one, welcome our new Third Party overlords.

Honestly, let's say that by some miracle a third party does rise to prominence.  What makes anyone think their sh-- won't smell, too?

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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #48 on: October 27, 2009, 07:53:45 PM »
Right.  The Republican Party exists to serve as a safety valve to help keep the Democrats in power forever.

At the top of the pyramid the Rulers agree completely- you are to be kept harmless and controlled. That is the job of the Repubs. The Democrats fill the same function keeping your 'leftist/progressive' opposite numbers harmless and controlled.

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Re: Obama administrations "war" against Fox News
« Reply #49 on: October 27, 2009, 08:03:18 PM »
At the top of the pyramid the Rulers agree completely- you are to be kept harmless and controlled. That is the job of the Repubs. The Democrats fill the same function keeping your 'leftist/progressive' opposite numbers harmless and controlled.
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