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NY congressional race - the 'perfect storm'
« on: October 28, 2009, 05:36:06 PM »
I do hope Doug Hoffman does win this election.  if he does, maybe the Republican party will take notice and run more conserative candidates.

NY congressional race - the 'perfect storm'
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Jim Brown - OneNewsNow - 10/28/2009 7:15:00 AMA political analyst says a special election in northern New York Tuesday could be one of the most important congressional races ever, and may even lead to a split in the Republican Party.
 
A poll released by the Club for Growth yesterday shows Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman with a narrow lead in the special election in New York's 23rd congressional district to replace John McHugh, the former congressman who recently became Secretary of the Army.
 
The poll of 300 likely voters shows Hoffman at 31 percent, Democrat Bill Owens at 27 percent, Republican Dede Scozzafava at 20 percent, while 22 percent remain undecided.  Hoffman has won the endorsements of Republican Party heavyweights such as Sarah Palin, Tim Pawlenty, and Fred Thompson, while Scozzafava is being backed by former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and House GOP leaders like Minority Leader John Boehner and Eric Cantor. The GOP candidate has also received awards and thousands of campaign dollars from some of the country's leading pro-abortion activists (see below).
 
David Corbin, assistant professor of politics at The King's College in New York City, says he is not surprised by Hoffman's surging poll numbers because "American politics is ready for a perfect storm."
 
"I don't think any of us expected that the perfect storm would occur in northern New York, but the conditions were right for an election like this.  The way the country is moving in terms of the Obama administration, the reaction to that movement from conservative groups across the country, and the lack of a Republican response to the Obama administration -- I think all of those things together point to something like this happening."
 
Corbin contends that for years, Republican leaders have been convinced that "it's better to be an echo than a choice."  He says Republican leaders in New York state who chose Dede Scozzafava are "trying not to lose an election" instead of "trying to win an election."

 

Scozzafava's pro-abortion supporters
The Republican National Committee earlier this month made a six-figure transfer to the New York Republican Party to help GOP candidate DeDe Scozzafava in her bid for the state's 23rd Congressional seat. According to Congressional Quarterly, the RNC is also giving $85,000 to the state party, the maximum allowed for a coordinated campaign, and has two staffers on the ground in the district.
 
Many conservatives have expressed outrage over the Republican Party's endorsement of a candidate who supports abortion and same-sex "marriage," and who has backed President Obama's "stimulus" package and the $700-billion bank bailout.
 
In March 2008, Scozzafava, who has served on the board of Planned Parenthood, received the Margaret Sanger Award from Family Planning Advocates of New York State. In her acceptance speech, she voiced support for abortion on demand.
 
"The only way we ever cure those things of the human condition is by listening to people.  And each person is an individual with his or her own rights. And when you look at it that way, a lot of issues become very simple -- issues that are seemingly complex become simple."
 
Scozzafava has received $1,000 from the Planned Parenthood PAC and $2,500 from the New York Choice PAC. She has also been given donations by several labor unions, including the National Education Association's political action committee, which doled out $5,000 for her campaign.

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Re: NY congressional race - the 'perfect storm'
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2009, 08:12:21 PM »
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The only way we ever cure those things of the human condition is by listening to people.  And each person is an individual with his or her own rights.

Well, except for babies, but heck, they don't vote.
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Re: NY congressional race - the 'perfect storm'
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2009, 09:35:14 PM »
Hoffman is in the lead?  Monday or Tuesday he was on Glenn Beck and he was last in the polls by 8-10%.

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Re: NY congressional race - the 'perfect storm'
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2009, 10:58:27 PM »
The only two polls I've seen have been commissioned by Club for Growth and MoveOn.org, neither of which are especially neutral on the subject.  Naturally, each poll shows the patron's preferred candidate in the lead.


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Re: NY congressional race - the 'perfect storm'
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2009, 07:08:59 AM »
I think three off-cycle elections next Tuesday will be a national referendum of sorts: Virginia's top three offices, New Jersey's gubernatorial race, and the NY 23rd three-way contest. It will be interesting to watch how the conservatives fare...

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Re: NY congressional race - the 'perfect storm'
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2009, 08:35:10 AM »
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. . . Scozzafava is being backed by former House Speaker Newt Gingrich . . .
To say that I'm sorely disappointed in Newt would be an understatement . . .  =(
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Re: NY congressional race - the 'perfect storm'
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2009, 08:42:04 AM »
She seems to be pro-gun, at least: See her ratings, and votes against tax increases a lot.

Is her only RINOness limited on gay issue and abortion?
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Re: NY congressional race - the 'perfect storm'
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2009, 09:03:31 AM »
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Is her only RINOness limited on gay issue and abortion?

She is a Green Wackjob also but the above should be enough for any real conservative to shun her.

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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2009, 09:04:51 AM »
She is a Green Wackjob also but the above should be enough for any real conservative to shun her.

Ah, but I'm no conservative. :D
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Re: NY congressional race - the 'perfect storm'
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2009, 09:34:15 AM »
She seems to be pro-gun, at least: See her ratings, and votes against tax increases a lot.

Is her only RINOness limited on gay issue and abortion?


Many conservatives have expressed outrage over the Republican Party's endorsement of a candidate who supports abortion and same-sex "marriage," and who has backed President Obama's "stimulus" package and the $700-billion bank bailout.


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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2009, 09:51:03 AM »
...wow.
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Re: NY congressional race - the 'perfect storm'
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2009, 10:43:21 AM »
I wonder how many recounts it will take to get the Dem declared the winner.

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Re: NY congressional race - the 'perfect storm'
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2009, 11:16:34 AM »
I wonder how many recounts it will take to get the Dem declared the winner.

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Re: NY congressional race - the 'perfect storm'
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2009, 01:12:10 PM »
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Re: NY congressional race - the 'perfect storm'
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2009, 01:30:55 PM »
Maybe the Stupid Party might learn something from this......Nahhhh.... ;/


I reeeeeeeaaaaaalllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyy hope Hoffman wins like 65-35% or more.  Maybe they will wakeup and re-learn the Reagan Doctrine (REAL Conservatives win huge).
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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2009, 04:49:12 PM »
As an evangelical golem statist shill for the neocons, I must register my disappointment.  And here I thought Newt had just saved the day. 
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Re: NY congressional race - the 'perfect storm'
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2009, 07:23:26 PM »
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Maybe they will wakeup and re-learn the Reagan Doctrine (REAL Conservatives win huge).
Maybe the 3rd Party members will also learn to run in the Republican primaries so they can knock out the RINOs instead of running as a spoiler 3rd party candidate.

I know, I know, Hoffman started out as a 3rd Party candidate, but there was no primary, so he had to do the best he could.

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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2009, 07:35:23 PM »
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Maybe the 3rd Party members will also learn to run in the Republican primaries so they can knock out the RINOs instead of running as a spoiler 3rd party candidate.

Ahem.
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Re: NY congressional race - the 'perfect storm'
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2009, 03:08:15 PM »
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Re: NY congressional race - the 'perfect storm'
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2009, 04:02:51 PM »
Hey what a shocker -- she's now endorsing Owens.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/01/scozzafava-endorses-democrat-dropping-ny-congressional-race/
Shocked! I am shocked I tell you! ;/
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Re: NY congressional race - the 'perfect storm'
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2009, 04:05:13 PM »
So is Newt so scared of 3rd parties that he'll have to endorse Owens too?
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Re: NY congressional race - the 'perfect storm'
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2009, 04:11:44 PM »
Why would 3rd parties scare Newt?  ???
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Re: NY congressional race - the 'perfect storm'
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2009, 07:08:40 PM »
In an email message from from her campaign, NY Assembly representative Dede Scozzafava, Republican of Gouverneur, released her supporters without endorsing either of the two other candidates in the 23rd congressional district special election coming up on Tuesday. Her statement follows:


http://northcountrypublicradio.org/blogs/ballotbox/2009/10/breaking-scozzafava-suspends-ny-23.html

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Re: NY congressional race - the 'perfect storm'
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2009, 07:11:32 PM »
Hey what a shocker -- she's now endorsing Owens.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/01/scozzafava-endorses-democrat-dropping-ny-congressional-race/

just one more data point that the repubs and democrats are the Unity Party. Gotta keep middle American from having a choice.

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Re: NY congressional race - the 'perfect storm'
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2009, 08:08:35 PM »
In my e-mail today from the DCCC

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Breaking News: GOP Chaos Erupts in Special ElectionSunday, November 1, 2009 4:54 PM.  From: "Jon Vogel, DCCC Executive Director" <dccc@dccc.org>


Late yesterday news broke that the moderate Republican Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava, candidate in the hard-fought special election in New York's 23rd Congressional district, had been driven out and the Republican party was throwing their weight behind the Palin/Limbaugh/Glen Beck endorsed radical tea party candidate instead.

Today, the moderate Republican threw her support behind our proud Democratic candidate Bill Owens.

It has never been clearer that the Republican Party has been hijacked by extreme right wing ideologues with a radical agenda that would effectively dismantle Social Security and Medicare, and are out of step with a vast majority of Americans.

Eight extreme right wing groups spent more than $1 million on this campaign including the Minute Men, Club for Growth and the Family Research Council.

This means your work and your continued support and dedication have never been more critical as we face our one-year-out reporting deadline and this election on Tuesday.

We are up against a well-funded extremist GOP who will stop at nothing to win and whose agenda could quite literally take us backwards to the days of Bush-Cheney.

But, you and I can't let that happen. I will continue to keep you posted on news of this race continues and thank you again for standing with us. We will need you now more than ever.

Thanks,

Jon Vogel
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