Obama Strongly Backs Islam Center Near 9/11 Site

[RevDisk]

As I mentioned in my first post in this thread, Greg Gutfeld and his investors are moving forward with opening of the gay bar that will be Muslim gay friendly next to the Mosque. The Mosque builders are already upset about this. Why?

Heck, I'll donate some money to that bar and its security folks. 

[kgbsquirrel]

As I mentioned in my first post in this thread, Greg Gutfeld and his investors are moving forward with opening of the gay bar that will be Muslim gay friendly next to the Mosque. The Mosque builders are already upset about this. Why?
Heck, I'll donate some money to that bar and its security folks. 

Outstanding! Didn't take long for someone to start serving them a bit of their own medicine.

"We don't care what the locals think, we're gonna build it here 'for peace and understanding' whether they like it or not, but nobody else better build something nearby that we disagree with!"

I'm with Rev, who do I donate to? 

[longeyes]

At what point were you granted the power of arbiter?  i missed the memo or we must move in different circles and missed that meeting.

I have opinions.  Like you.  Difference is mine are backed by something, Cassandra.  Yeah, you missed the memo; in fact you've missed a lot of memos.  If you don't like what I have to say, well, tough.

[MicroBalrog]

I'm sure everyone remembers the NRA paring back to only essential meetings at its 1999 convention in Denver following Columbine. The NRA wasn't responsible for the Columbine shootings (although many anti's tried to say we were), nor did the NRA represent in any way the Columbine shooters. Yet the NRA, aware of public opinion, all but cancelled the convention.

What if the NRA had planned to build something like the Whitfield Center in Littleton? Would there have been a public outcry? Would the NRA have picked another location? I think everyone here knows the answer.

And maybe that would be the wrong away to go. But that is a completely different debate, no?

[roo_ster]

Heck, I'll donate some money to that bar and its security folks. 

Current working bar name:
Dialog

[MechAg94]

Rush was suggesting names of the bar earlier this week  I think Al Gay-da was one of the suggestions.   

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

wanna take bets on which opens first?or at all?

[roo_ster]

Westboro Baptists vs GZM:
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/244183/westboro-baptist-s-church-s-religious-freedom-amy-holmes

"Will we hear from left-wing commentators that, out of an abundance of tolerance, we must stand in solidarity with the Westboro Baptist Church (whose position on homosexuality is actually not all that different from fundamentalist Islam’s) in defense of religious freedom? I suspect not."

Hi-larious reading and commentary on the WBC case that that WBC won in feddle court.  I suspect the answer to her questions will be "Nope."

[Nitrogen]

In the same way, until The Mosque made them focus the way the Arizona bill did, they didn't know that there were already over two thousand mosques in America, that there are over two hundred in New York.  They didn't know there were so many Muslims in America, and now they're wondering how they got here, who invited them, and, most important, why, even after 9/11.

We have a long, long way to go on both subjects.

I'm surprised we let Muslims live here.  We should put them in camps since they are so dangerous.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

yea  camps have a tradition in america

[MicroBalrog]

In the same way, until The Mosque made them focus the way the Arizona bill did, they didn't know that there were already over two thousand mosques in America, that there are over two hundred in New York.  They didn't know there were so many Muslims in America, and now they're wondering how they got here, who invited them, and, most important, why, even after 9/11.

Let's try this:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

The presence of people who happen to be Muslim, in and of itself, is not a problem to be 'solved' by policymakers, Federal, state, or local.

[MechAg94]

I'm surprised we let Muslims live here.  We should put them in camps since they are so dangerous.

It is always those more liberal people who want camps. 

 

[taurusowner]

I'm sure everyone remembers the NRA paring back to only essential meetings at its 1999 convention in Denver following Columbine. The NRA wasn't responsible for the Columbine shootings (although many anti's tried to say we were), nor did the NRA represent in any way the Columbine shooters. Yet the NRA, aware of public opinion, all but cancelled the convention.

What if the NRA had planned to build something like the Whitfield Center in Littleton? Would there have been a public outcry? Would the NRA have picked another location? I think everyone here knows the answer.

The mosque and cultural center will stand day after day for decades, and every day be a thumb in the eye of millions of Americans. Surely the people behind building the mosque must know this. They can't be that tone deaf. That begs the question, why are they doing this despite overwhelming and sometimes fierce opposition?

The NRA had already booked the site and spent a great deal of money on the convention long before the shootings took place, and yet they still canceled almost all of the extraneous events and only held the business-related member meetings as a show of understanding to the town.  That situation is nothing like this one, where the mosque builders selected this site after 9/11 and deliberately because of it importance as a site of jihad.

[Nitrogen]

The NRA had already booked the site and spent a great deal of money on the convention long before the shootings took place, and yet they still canceled almost all of the extraneous events and only held the business-related member meetings as a show of understanding to the town.  That situation is nothing like this one, where the mosque builders selected this site after 9/11 and deliberately because of it importance as a site of jihad.

I believe the NRA is legally required to hold a meeting as terms of its incorporation.  I can't remember where I read that, I think it was in one of those "Michael Moore's 'bowling for columbine' is stupid" refutations.  (is refutation a word?)

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Let's try this:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

The presence of people who happen to be Muslim, in and of itself, is not a problem to be 'solved' by policymakers, Federal, state, or local.

Once again, this has nothing at all to do with the 1st amendment.  The 1A is silent on issues of real estate development.

[Monkeyleg]

OK, let's try this:

Nearly 70% of the American public is opposed to building the mosque on the designated site. The percentage is even higher in New York City.

Given such a strong reaction against the proposal, why are those involved with the mosque determined to build it on that spot? Why won't they consider a spot across town or even ten blocks away, but instead insist on that spot?

I'd like to hear an answer from anyone supporting the building of the mosque.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Given such a strong reaction against the proposal, why are those involved with the mosque determined to build it on that spot? Why won't they consider a spot across town or even ten blocks away, but instead insist on that spot?

Because they're trying to promote understanding and harmony.

[Nitrogen]

Once again, this has nothing at all to do with the 1st amendment.  The 1A is silent on issues of real estate development.

So what is the proper role of government here?  Is it proper for the government to control private property?

[Nitrogen]

OK, let's try this:

Nearly 70% of the American public is opposed to building the mosque shooting range on the designated site. The percentage is even higher in New York City.

Given such a strong reaction against the proposal, why are those involved with the mosque shooting range determined to build it on that spot? Why won't they consider a spot across town or even ten blocks away, but instead insist on that spot?

I'd like to hear an answer from anyone supporting the building of the mosque. shooting range.

Because it's their right. Isn't that enough?  I don't like being bullied.

It's my property, I'm not violating any laws, and i'm going to do what i want with it.

[taurusowner]

Because it's their right. Isn't that enough?  I don't like being bullied.

It's my property, I'm not violating any laws, and i'm going to do what i want with it.

It's not a questions of whether they are allowed to.

I'll ask my question yet again.  If the builders of this mosque care as much about harmony and mutual respect and understanding as they claim, why do they refuse to do something that would calm the situation such as move the mosque site? It's about motivations Nitrogen.

[Nitrogen]

It's not a questions of whether they are allowed to.

I'll ask my question yet again.  If the builders of this mosque care as much about harmony and mutual respect and understanding as they claim, why do they refuse to do something that would calm the situation such as move the mosque site? It's about motivations Nitrogen.

Maybe it;s just close to where they all work, and they'd like a nearby place to pray 7983598324 times a day?
Maybe the fire escapes look good to them?

Christians often place missions in areas hostile to Christianity, in order to spread the word of God.  I know there are Christian missionaries in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, for instance. I they get caught, they can be executed. Since the Saudis obviously don't want Christians there, why do the missionaries go?

They go because they can have the most impact where they are hated.  They can hopefully show people that hate them that they aren't all bad; it's great bang for their buck.

If I was a Muslim wanting to make a difference, I'd want to place my mosque/mission/whatever in that area PRECISELY because people hate me so much.  I'd hope, through my deeds, I could show that my religion and my people are nowhere near as bad as others think they are.  I'm betting there's an equivalent to Matthew 28:19 ("Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit") in the Koran.

Does your church do missionary work?  Would you go to Saudi Arabia to spread the word, if called to?

[Monkeyleg]

Because it's their right. Isn't that enough?  I don't like being bullied.

It's my property, I'm not violating any laws, and i'm going to do what i want with it.

Sure it's your right. But if you state that your intent is to create harmony and understanding by pissing off 70% of the American people, are you telling the truth?

[Nitrogen]

Sure it's your right. But if you state that your intent is to create harmony and understanding by pissing off 70% of the American people, are you telling the truth?

Absolutely.  See my above post.

[taurusowner]

So can I set up a church in Mecca or Medina?

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

So what is the proper role of government here?  Is it proper for the government to control private property?

Reasonable city planning is a proper role of local government, especially in dense urban areas.