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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2010, 09:41:28 AM »
In Israel?  Yeah, I can imagine a few.

L.A. riots.

Any riots at all whatsoever, and any SHTF that as one of its consequences involves a civil disturbance.
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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2010, 09:49:28 AM »
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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2010, 10:05:50 AM »
So you always carry a long gun? Always? Of course not. They make pistols for a reason.

If I'm already in a SHTF a rifle stays within arms reach. If I'm not I'm only carrying one pistol most of the time.

I vote we have all SHTF thread starters define their SHTF situation. We all have ideas of what we would do but they are based on our definition of SHTF.

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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2010, 11:04:25 AM »
L.A. riots.

Any riots at all whatsoever, and any SHTF that as one of its consequences involves a civil disturbance.

True.  But, if and when the police or National Guard show up, the long guns should probably go into hiding.  They won't be able to or inclined to distinguish between you and your "ethically challenged" rioting neighbors.
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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2010, 11:09:26 AM »
I vote we have all SHTF thread starters define their SHTF situation. We all have ideas of what we would do but they are based on our definition of SHTF.

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I'd say a two gun SHTF is clarification enough. All I'm asking is which hand for which gun. Anything after that is fluff. =D
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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2010, 02:14:25 PM »
Well I'm guessing "I sold my only .45 to a buddy to I could have one unified handgun caliber, 9mm" or "I would toss the .45 to a buddy so we could both be more effective" are invalid answers.  I would say 9mm in weak hand .45 in strong hand.  It would better to take more aimed shots with the .45 as you have less rounds to do it with, while allowing the extra high capacity of the 9mm take on more of a suppressive fire role with not-so-well-aimed weak hand shots.

What is this mythical "extra high capacity" of the 9mm? My Para-Ordnance P14.45 hold 14+1 rounds of .45 Auto 230-grain projectiles of doom, whereas my FM Hi-Power holds 13+1 rounds of 9mm 124-grain (or 147 if I want to go subsonic) metallic-coated peas.

If I switch to the LEO magazines for the Para, I get 15+1 (or is it 16+1?).

.45 in strong hand, 9mm in weak hand.
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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2010, 02:17:30 PM »
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Besides, if the .45ACP was such a great cartridge, why didn't John Browning chamber the High Power in it?.... 

I don't know but I'm sure he had a good reason.  :laugh:

One reason might be because he was dead, but a better reason might be because the people who hired him to design the pistol specified that it was to be 9mm.
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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2010, 03:40:31 PM »
I'm thinking because internationally 9mm would be the more easily aquired round?
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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2010, 07:48:52 PM »
What is this mythical "extra high capacity" of the 9mm? My Para-Ordnance P14.45 hold 14+1 rounds of .45 Auto 230-grain projectiles of doom, whereas my FM Hi-Power holds 13+1 rounds of 9mm 124-grain (or 147 if I want to go subsonic) metallic-coated peas.

If I switch to the LEO magazines for the Para, I get 15+1 (or is it 16+1?).

.45 in strong hand, 9mm in weak hand.

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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2010, 08:48:02 PM »
First, my answer to the serious question: 1911 .45 in right hand, S&W M&P 9mm in left hand.   [ar15]


So, does anyone know exactly where the phrase "fighting your way back to your rifle" came from?
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Handgun cartridges are very poor man killers; they lack the terminal performance to quickly stop a determined adversary.  On the other hand, a rifle does have the terminal performance to stop a determined adversary.  Now that you have been reminded of this fact, which would you rather have to defend yourself?  Given the choice, the smart people choose the rifle, but even the smart people don't always have the rifle handy, so sometimes it is necessary to fight (using your conveniently carried pistol) your way to your rifle (which is the better tool for the job).  Hence the catchy phrase.
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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2010, 09:09:56 PM »

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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2010, 09:16:00 PM »
CCWable rifle. >:D

That is one of the very few pistol caliber carbines I am interested in owning if they ever do get it into production, especially if it is produced by themselves.




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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2010, 09:23:23 PM »
Didn't Jack O'Connor write, use a handgun to get to a rifle, a rifle to get to armor, etc... 
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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #38 on: October 23, 2010, 09:46:10 PM »
If I'm already in a SHTF a rifle stays within arms reach. If I'm not I'm only carrying one pistol most of the time.

Precisely.

If I recall aright, Cooper also discussed the importance of keeping one's rifle within arms reach in the safari camp. I presume that would apply to any other situation where one is already armed with a rifle.
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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #39 on: October 23, 2010, 10:56:31 PM »

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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #40 on: October 23, 2010, 10:58:04 PM »
I WILL replace my SUB2000. I am torn between 9mm and the .45 though...
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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #41 on: October 23, 2010, 11:02:04 PM »
Hell, Para makes an 18+1 9mm.

I don't trust anything Para makes to defend my life. Sorry, but it's the truth. Their stuff tends to be a bit finicky (but who can blame them when their hi cap 1911s are really geared more towards competition?)

Now, STI's hi cap 1911s...I wouldn't mind having one of them. But for serious defensive use, Glock 17. 33 round mags, too, if you desire 'em.

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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2010, 12:29:54 AM »
I don't know who first coined the phrase, but it is just a little bit more than tongue-in-cheek bravado. 
Si senor, I was just trying to have a little fun with it. If just one person got a chuckle out of it, my work is done.  =D
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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2010, 12:35:08 AM »
One reason might be because he was dead, but a better reason might be because the people who hired him to design the pistol specified that it was to be 9mm.

See....he'd have rather died than do another .45ACP......





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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2010, 09:46:51 AM »
I love my 1911.  I love the .45 caliber round.
But yeah, if we're talking zombie hoardes or hungry masses, it only holds 8+1 best case.  I suppose I could pick up some 10 rounders.
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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2010, 11:46:51 AM »
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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #46 on: October 24, 2010, 11:59:23 AM »
.45 in right hand for aimed fire, 9mm in left hand fired homeboy-style for covering fire.
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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #47 on: October 24, 2010, 02:10:30 PM »
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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #48 on: October 24, 2010, 02:15:43 PM »
I think I would rather use one pistol at a time.  I don't think I would shoot two pistols very accurately and my luck, within seconds of pulling out two pistols, I would see something I needed to pick up.

The XD-M 9mm holds 19 in the mag.  I have heard the FNP 45 holds 14 in the mag, but I don't know much about those pistols except they are large.  I would likely include my Glock 22 in the mix as 40 has good penetration while retaining some size.

As for rifles, I find it relatively easy to either wear a pistol or keep one close by.  I might have a rifle and mags in the safe or a closet, but not generally close by.  Even if you were in a SHTF scenario, on Day 4 when you are thinking about what you can afford to eat that day, you may not be keeping your rifle with you.  I think if things are to the point that National Guard or Police are patrolling heavy enough to give problems, the SHTF scenario is likely over or near it.
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Re: .45 vs 9mm, a new perspective?
« Reply #49 on: October 24, 2010, 04:22:59 PM »
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I think I would rather use one pistol at a time.  I don't think I would shoot two pistols very accurately and my luck, within seconds of pulling out two pistols, I would see something I needed to pick up.

I'm with you.  I have both a .40 and a 9mm, I can hit way better with my 9mm than my .40 and that's using both hands on one gun.
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