Author Topic: From the hide and cower school of tactics. (Read 3826 times)

just Warren · « **on:** January 21, 2011, 02:16:41 PM »

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"Unfortunately, there are no off-the-top-shelf easy templates to apply to these situations," Kelly said.

If I had a gun I could shoot him.

IF you had a gun I'd have to arrest YOU. People shouldn't have guns, and certainly not in their workplace.

Really? So I should run and hide? What if that's not possible?

OK. OK. We'll let you defend yourself just not with the most effective means.

So my last resort is to get into arms reach of a gunman while armed only with office supplies?

Yes. It's a tough deal but do what you can.

What if someone attacks your workplace Commissioner Kelly?

Oh, we'll just shoot him.

I see.

Monkeyleg · « **Reply #1 on:** January 21, 2011, 02:26:47 PM »

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So my last resort is to get into arms reach of a gunman while armed only with office supplies?

:D :D :D

MillCreek · « **Reply #2 on:** January 21, 2011, 03:12:37 PM »

I would give the gunman such a stapling! Using my red Swingline, like Milton!

Doggy Daddy · « **Reply #3 on:** January 21, 2011, 03:47:16 PM »

I'll grab some letterhead and give him such a paper cut!

DD

Harold Tuttle · « **Reply #4 on:** January 21, 2011, 03:50:03 PM »

my 3 pound roll of gaffers tape FTW

stun em and tape'm down

Harold Tuttle · « **Reply #5 on:** January 21, 2011, 03:53:21 PM »

"Hiding behind a file cabinet is probably the best "Plan B" -- and the Police Department proved it by shooting up different kinds of office furniture."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/no_with_bullet_3hPIchpncriThebatpp1EJ#ixzz1BhmYU2ey"

maybe steelcase should come out with a line of file drawers you can hide inside of.

a buddy 2 rows away has his ice axe on display in his cube. Thats our Zed defense plan A

TechMan · « **Reply #6 on:** January 21, 2011, 04:33:25 PM »

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Cubicle partitions provided no protection from bullets or shotgun pellets, and desks were little better. But file cabinets stopped bullets from a .38-caliber Smith & Wesson, a 9mm Glock and a shotgun. Only bullets from an AK-47 passed through.

So what about the filing cabinet stopping a .357, .40, .41, .44 or .45?

Harold Tuttle · « **Reply #7 on:** January 21, 2011, 05:04:25 PM »

we have new kevlar TPS report covers

Angel Eyes · « **Reply #8 on:** January 21, 2011, 05:05:17 PM »

Quote from: adively on January 21, 2011, 04:33:25 PM

So what about the filing cabinet stopping a .357, .40, .41, .44 or .45?

So you're asking "What caliber for file cabinet?"

By the way: in some parts, a 1911 and spare magazines are considered "office supplies."

sanglant · « **Reply #9 on:** January 21, 2011, 09:19:09 PM »

hide behind bloomie, it's the safest place.

Boomhauer · « **Reply #10 on:** January 21, 2011, 09:23:53 PM »

Quote from: Harold Tuttle on January 21, 2011, 03:50:03 PM

my 3 pound roll of gaffers tape FTW

stun em and tape'm down

If I ever have to get hands on with an armed man, I'm not going to be securing him with tape or whatever...if I'm able to beat him down/knock him down, I'm going to be jumping up and down on his head.

sanglant · « **Reply #11 on:** January 21, 2011, 09:31:06 PM »

ehh, jumping doesn't do enough damage. RIVER DANCE.

Jamisjockey · « **Reply #12 on:** January 22, 2011, 12:11:29 AM »

Quote from: Angel Eyes on January 21, 2011, 05:05:17 PM

So you're asking "What caliber for file cabinet?"

By the way: in some parts, a 1911 and spare magazines are considered "office supplies."

Once I'm a Texas CHL instructor, I'll happily write off whatever I can, firearms wise :)

French G. · « **Reply #13 on:** January 22, 2011, 12:50:58 AM »

Quote from: adively on January 21, 2011, 04:33:25 PM

So what about the filing cabinet stopping a .357, .40, .41, .44 or .45?

Note to self: Bring .88 Magnum to office rampage. Wear plaid tie, they never liked that one.

Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas · « **Reply #14 on:** January 22, 2011, 01:17:12 AM »

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I'm going to be jumping up and down on his head.

No, upper chest. Land on the (rear) point of the heels, your legs slamming down just before landing to maximize the impact. Feet together.
The head is too well-armored and too mobile. You can kick the temple hard and you're golden, but that requires a little bit of finesse.

kgbsquirrel · « **Reply #15 on:** January 22, 2011, 01:50:02 AM »

Quote from: MillCreek on January 21, 2011, 03:12:37 PM

I would give the gunman such a stapling! Using my red Swingline, like Milton!

Milton would probably just go waddling away after turning the guy into a pyre that would rival Rome during the Visigoth sacking.

My work can't allow me to use my CCW permit because the building houses some fed stuff, best I can do is keep something in my car.

KD5NRH · « **Reply #16 on:** January 23, 2011, 10:15:48 AM »

Quote from: Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas on January 22, 2011, 01:17:12 AM

You can kick the temple hard and you're golden, but that requires a little bit of finesse.

Going for a cranial field goal with steel toes is hard to justify in court, since the target has to be laying down and relatively stationary.

280plus · « **Reply #17 on:** January 23, 2011, 03:13:35 PM »

In the range office I got me a nice old heavy wooden desk to hide behind.

Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas · « **Reply #18 on:** January 23, 2011, 04:30:25 PM »

Quote from: KD5NRH on January 23, 2011, 10:15:48 AM

Going for a cranial field goal with steel toes is hard to justify in court, since the target has to be laying down and relatively stationary.

"Your honor, he tried to break my toes with the side of his head."
Monkey-stomping is easier. Still not usually legal, but a handy technique to know.

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #19 on:** January 23, 2011, 05:32:56 PM »

You know, I feel that this is an actually useful (and fund) avenue of research. After all, we need to know what office supplies provide the best cover in case our workplaces get attacked by spree shooters.

The answer is, of course, that we need to do more research.

Who's up for getting more filing cabinets off Craigslist and shooting them?

Boomhauer · « **Reply #20 on:** January 23, 2011, 07:18:28 PM »

Quote from: KD5NRH on January 23, 2011, 10:15:48 AM

Going for a cranial field goal with steel toes is hard to justify in court, since the target has to be laying down and relatively stationary.

I really don't give two shits about court when a guy's trying to kill me with a knife or gun and I don't have one of my own. I'm more concerned with making VERY sure he can no longer threaten me considering I cannot afford to let him have the slightest chance of rejoining the fight because I would not have a weapon to cover him with (where if I was able to CCW, I would at least have a pistol to cover an immobilized attacker)

BlueStarLizzard · « **Reply #21 on:** January 23, 2011, 07:24:47 PM »

Yet another reason I love were I work. Hell, I doubt i'd make it to bad guy first.

I love big protective dogs that go on there own instincts.

230RN · « **Reply #22 on:** January 23, 2011, 07:34:50 PM »

But what if he takes your ~~stapler~~ ~~letterhead~~ dog away and uses it against you?

Huh? Huh? What about that, huh?

BlueStarLizzard · « **Reply #23 on:** January 23, 2011, 07:52:59 PM »

Quote from: 230RN on January 23, 2011, 07:34:50 PM

But what if he takes your ~~stapler~~ ~~letterhead~~ dog away and uses it against you?

Huh? Huh? What about that, huh?

He can try, but trust me, its hard to convince an anatolian to do something it don't wanna do, especially when it wants to chew on you.

KD5NRH · « **Reply #24 on:** January 24, 2011, 08:39:40 AM »

Quote from: 230RN on January 23, 2011, 07:34:50 PM

But what if he takes your ~~stapler~~ ~~letterhead~~ dog away and uses it against you?

Huh? Huh? What about that, huh?

Carry a backup.

I'd really like to convince my wife that we should adopt this guy and have a Gonzales Flag made up with his picture.

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Author Topic: From the hide and cower school of tactics. (Read 3826 times)