he's not scared of guns and danger/his boyfriend is an army Ranger

[gunsmith]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/feb/24/combat-troops-to-get-gay-sensitivity-training/?page=1

I used to be really sensitive so I asked God to help me and lo and behold my ex girlfriend said "you know, you're really insensitive" I said "yes, I couldn't do it without Gods help"

[Jamisjockey]

Moving to politics.  And I swear to (insert chosen deity here) that if this one gets nasty, I'll start handing out time outs.

[Ned Hamford]

I would think making any sort of trouble for anyone while in a combat zone would be a counter survival technique.

I am envisioning the sort of PC training presentations with power points they give at big companies being given with gunfire and explosions going on in the background and folks for some reason acting very distracted. 

[Perd Hapley]

Moving to politics.  And I swear to Oprah that if this one gets nasty, I'll start handing out time outs.

OK, I inserted a deity. What do I win?

[roo_ster]

Well, I'm glad the DOD is taking on this vital issue in the face of such trivialities as combat operations.

[makattak]

WOW, whoever could have predicted that repealing DADT would have a negative effect on troops readiness?

I, for one, am shocked, SHOCKED, that the repeal was only the beginning of a politically correct crusade. Also that gambling is going on in here.

[eyebrows]

This right here

We hope that it will have little impact on their combat and security operations here.

that statement should have heads rolling. Whoever is responsible for deciding that "a little" impact on combat and security operations is acceptable so that our troops may be a little more sensitive to gays has their head up their *** and needs to GTFO of the military NOW!

[AZRedhawk44]

And I swear to (insert chosen deity here) that if this one gets nasty, I'll start handing out time outs.

As the founder of the Church of the Choose Your Own Adventure Faith, I take offense to your caustic ignorance to our Faith's freedom to worship the deity we wish.



Turn to page 17.

[dogmush]

Well, I'm glad the DOD is taking on this vital issue in the face of such trivialities as combat operations.

that statement should have heads rolling. Whoever is responsible for deciding that "a little" impact on combat and security operations is acceptable so that our troops may be a little more sensitive to gays has their head up their *** and needs to GTFO of the military NOW!

Congress passed a law, the CINC said "Do it".

You would rather the DOD pick and choose which orders it follows?

[French G.]

Those same troops have been inflicted with *chosen Deity* knows how many "Do it and do it now!" trainings since they have been deployed. This just gets news because it is "Oh teh noes, teh gheys is comingz!!!" I'm sure 98.5% of the troops could care less. We know how to deal with gays because we already serve with them. And the only time it ever seems to be a problem is when somebody wants to play the queen card to get out of their service contract. Which isn't, from my irritable NCO point a view, a bit different than the knocked-up right before deployment card, the sick lame and lazy card, my daddy's a congressman card, or the ever popular I'm a single dad and the kid's mom is a meth head so I can't deploy. The last one often having merit if we care about kids, not so much if it's winning wars.

The mandatory training from on high is just how the very senior military does CYA these days. Chinese put malware on every thumb drive in the world and infect the navy? Have training. SN Jones found zip-tied in the shower wearing pink bunny slippers and little else? Have training. Flush a koran? Have training. Ship stuck on sandbar unexpectedly? Have training. Actually do your job? We got training for that Hey smart-ass, figure that out on your own time, we got training to do!

That is the military's two default buttons for getting the press and congresscritters off their heels. Fire someone almost important, and training.

[Scout26]

Congress passed a law, the CINC said "Do it".

You would rather the DOD pick and choose which orders it follows?

Why not?  The CINC has decided which laws he's NOT going to enforce....  Goose/Gander and all that.

[dm1333]

The mandatory training from on high is just how the very senior military does CYA these days. Chinese put malware on every thumb drive in the world and infect the navy? Have training. SN Jones found zip-tied in the shower wearing pink bunny slippers and little else? Have training. Flush a koran? Have training. Ship stuck on sandbar unexpectedly? Gloss over the fact that all this training is distracting sailors from important things like driving ships.  Relieve the skipper. Have training. Actually do your job? We got training for that Hey smart-ass, figure that out on your own time, we got training to do!

You forgot one part.  Don't worry, I fixed it.  You ought to see how good I am with power points after all the training I've had!

[Waitone]

Those same troops have been inflicted with *chosen Deity* knows how many "Do it and do it now!" trainings since they have been deployed. This just gets news because it is "Oh teh noes, teh gheys is comingz!!!" I'm sure 98.5% of the troops could care less. We know how to deal with gays because we already serve with them. And the only time it ever seems to be a problem is when somebody wants to play the queen card to get out of their service contract.

Worked because everyone was pretty much on a level playing field.  Won't work the same when integration moves to preferential treatment as it inevitably will.

[dogmush]

Why not?  The CINC has decided which laws he's NOT going to enforce....  Goose/Gander and all that.

Yeah, no.  There's good reasons the military doesn't get to be in charge.

[Jamisjockey]

Those same troops have been inflicted with *chosen Deity* knows how many "Do it and do it now!" trainings since they have been deployed. This just gets news because it is "Oh teh noes, teh gheys is comingz!!!" I'm sure 98.5% of the troops could care less. We know how to deal with gays because we already serve with them. And the only time it ever seems to be a problem is when somebody wants to play the queen card to get out of their service contract. Which isn't, from my irritable NCO point a view, a bit different than the knocked-up right before deployment card, the sick lame and lazy card, my daddy's a congressman card, or the ever popular I'm a single dad and the kid's mom is a meth head so I can't deploy. The last one often having merit if we care about kids, not so much if it's winning wars.

Which is the hilarious side effect of ending DADT, no more "I'm gay, I want out!" malingerers.

The mandatory training from on high is just how the very senior military does CYA these days. Chinese put malware on every thumb drive in the world and infect the navy? Have training. SN Jones found zip-tied in the shower wearing pink bunny slippers and little else? Have training. Flush a koran? Have training. Ship stuck on sandbar unexpectedly? Have training. Actually do your job? We got training for that Hey smart-ass, figure that out on your own time, we got training to do!

That is the military's two default buttons for getting the press and congresscritters off their heels. Fire someone almost important, and training.

You must not be getting enough training if you had time to post that.

Worked because everyone was pretty much on a level playing field.  Won't work the same when integration moves to preferential treatment as it inevitably will.

 
Just another protected class to worry about, along with women and minorities that have been getting protection in the military for twenty years plus.  However, in my experience, not as much of a factor as you might think.  Very few women/minorities pulled the "I'm a woman/minority, give me preferential treatment!" card when I was in.  My experience was actually the opposite.  Most of them busted their asses to be better than whitey, so that people wouldn't say "That woman/minority got promoted to fill a quota!".  The lazy pieces of *expletive deleted*it would have been lazy pieces of *expletive deleted*it if they were white men.
I suspect the gays will be the same way.  Most will work hard to be a Marine/Soldier/Airmen/Sailor first, and to prove that they are who they are on their own merits, not because of preferential treatment. 

[gunsmith]

I had a roomate for awhile, he was an E7 in the Infantry, he used to razz me Sooooo much about being a niners fan and having lived in San Francisco ( because, obviously only gays like the niners and live in SF ).

This was a good tyen years ago and he was a lifer, I wonder hows he doing?
I really hope I can track him down- I lost track of him somewhere around his 2nd tour in Iraq.

I have so many cadences for the new Army I wanna share with him

[Fitz]

*expletive deleted*it soldiers are *expletive deleted*it soldiers, Good soldiers are good soldiers.

I've known great soldiers who I'm almost positive were gay.

I don't think this is an issue. And if you're the type of person to abuse someone because they're gay, then I don't want you serving anyways.

What I'd like to see is all the sorry sacks of *expletive deleted*it who pretended to be gay to get out, forced back in to finish their contract.

[Gowen]

*Oprah* soldiers are *Oprah* soldiers, Good soldiers are good soldiers.

FIFY

I knew a old Marine who once said that gay soldiers have a way of not making it out of a combat zone.  Well, walking that is.  The boys on the ground will find a way of fixing any problems.

[Fitz]

I think that viewpoint is a bit dated...

The majority of soldiers don't think that way any more

and anyone who's been in a firefight ceases to give a rats rear who is laying down suppressive fire once the S hits the F

[Balog]

Whole lotta people gonna start getting disciplined for using un-PC language will be the end result of this, I predict.

[makattak]

Whole lotta people gonna start getting disciplined for using un-PC language will be the end result of this, I predict.

Yeah. And a lot of them will be chaplains. They will be told they can't say homosexuality is a sin. 

[Perd Hapley]

I think that viewpoint is a bit dated...

The majority of soldiers don't think that way any more

and anyone who's been in a firefight ceases to give a rats rear who is laying down suppressive fire once the S hits the F

That's the impression I get. As "homophobic" as I may be, even I am tired of hearing social conservatives spout off about this without caring to find out what the service-members think. Too many people have the mistaken impression that military personnel are all old-fashioned conservatives. Nonsense. If the soldiers are OK with open homo's serving with them, then I'm not sure I see a problem with it.

That being said, James Fitzer is not an army of one. His view may not be all that prevalent.

[MicroBalrog]

I have served in an armed force that allows gay men to serve openly. I've never seen these alleged 'problems'. I'm sure someone can dig up some isolated case somewhere but it's not a statistically valid issue.

[French G.]

Some of the best people that worked for me were dykes. It was pretty discriminatory that a SO could not exactly be anywhere in the military's scheme of things for NOK or benificiary status.

[RoadKingLarry]

Ship stuck on sandbar unexpectedly?

Been there, done that, didn't actually get stuck stuck but we did "shave off" some high dollar SONAR stuff off the bottom and left it on the approach to Charleston.
Things got unpleasant for the NAV/OPS dept. for a while.