Photo ID Amendment

[Ron]

i've flown post 911 without id   commercial  national to joe foss in south dakota via chicago.  

In regards to commercial air travel I think it is safe to say your experience is the exception to the rule. Rules and/or policy were most likely violated by someone in the originating airport in your case.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

i called ahead told em and went though extra screening and apparently they ran me through the system . i expected prints and a strip search   got neither.

[MicroBalrog]

I agree with De Selby and C&SD. Bring on the locusts.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

I agree with De Selby and C&SD. Bring on the locusts.

oooohhhhhhhhh nnnnnooooooo!!!!!!

[Tallpine]

i called ahead told em and went though extra screening and apparently they ran me through the system . i expected prints and a strip search   got neither.

I'm not sure whether to believe you or not, but these days you're not going to get close to the conveyor and porno-scopes without ID.  Even the small airports like Billings are starting to get anal.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

it was much looser at national  sioux falls was real uptight.  and we flew dec 2001 things were a bit tense. then but i made it

Q.  If I lose my ID during travel, what secondary forms of ID will be accepted?
A.  Passengers who do not have a valid photo ID, such as State-issued driver’s license, should bring any ID or documents they have available to assist in verification of identity.  Passengers need at least two alternate forms of identification, such as a social security card, birth certificate, marriage license, or credit card. The documents must bear the name of the passenger. Also, one of these documents must bear identification information containing one of the following:  date of birth, gender, address, or photo. If TSA can confirm the passenger’s identity, they may enter the secured area, but they could be subject to additional screening. For more information, please review the ID Requirements for Airport Checkpoints.


and ironically my leatherman made it to sioux falls in my pocket. i think holding a 2 month old baby provides cover. the metal detectors went off but when she wanded me she assumed it was the harness the kid was sleeping in on my chest. i almost crapped myself when i found the leatherman in minnesota and took off the harness

[Perd Hapley]

Is voting a right?  It is mentioned in the constitution, but voting is never specifically enumerated as a right.

Voting is a civil right. Unlike the freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, and other human rights (natural rights), the right to vote is not inherent. It is a right that comes from belonging to a nation.

That being the case, requiring ID to vote is certainly more reasonable than requiring ID for gun purchases, etc.

[Tallpine]

Q.  If I lose my ID during travel, what secondary forms of ID will be accepted?
A.  Passengers who do not have a valid photo ID, such as State-issued driver’s license, should bring any ID or documents they have available to assist in verification of identity.  Passengers need at least two alternate forms of identification, such as a social security card, birth certificate, marriage license, or credit card. The documents must bear the name of the passenger. Also, one of these documents must bear identification information containing one of the following:  date of birth, gender, address, or photo.

Not likely to have any of those on a trip except for credit cards.

If you lose your wallet then you won't have anything, and by the way - the TSA now demands that you surrender everything but some of your clothes to be run through the conveyor. 

There might be ways around that, but I wouldn't know anything about it 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

yea  they were a lil disorganized in those early days. i was more nervous than a cat in a room full of rocking chairs. that plane had just gone down in new york and the cause was still up in the air. turned out they had whacked the tail earlier and it fell off on take off.bit terrorism was still being bandied about as a cause

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

the mortgage guy was more freaked out about no id than tsa. running my credit didn't help him out

[Tallpine]

10+ years later, TSA is really nasty now 

In 2001, it still wasn't even TSA but just the local airport security.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

along with some fairly tense national guardsmen

[French G.]

Well most of us accept the need for an ID in day to day use. I do not like smart IDs, have one for the gov't tho. I really prefer that people voting for America are actually American.

And... How come a liberal will give every damn thing to someone free using OPM, unless that free thing is an ID so they can go vote for more free stuff? Hmm, maybe some of those free stuff folks couldn't qualify.

[Tallpine]

along with some fairly tense national guardsmen

You would be too if you were standing around with unloaded guns 

[Scout26]

it was much looser at national  sioux falls was real uptight.  and we flew dec 2001 things were a bit tense. then but i made it

Q.  If I lose my ID during travel, what secondary forms of ID will be accepted?
A.  Passengers who do not have a valid photo ID, such as State-issued driver’s license, should bring any ID or documents they have available to assist in verification of identity.  Passengers need at least two alternate forms of identification, such as a social security card, birth certificate, marriage license, or credit card. The documents must bear the name of the passenger. Also, one of these documents must bear identification information containing one of the following:  date of birth, gender, address, or photo. If TSA can confirm the passenger’s identity, they may enter the secured area, but they could be subject to additional screening. For more information, please review the ID Requirements for Airport Checkpoints.


and ironically my leatherman made it to sioux falls in my pocket. i think holding a 2 month old baby provides cover. the metal detectors went off but when she wanded me she assumed it was the harness the kid was sleeping in on my chest. i almost crapped myself when i found the leatherman in minnesota and took off the harness

Dec2001 doesn't count as "I flew without ID and the TSA smiled and waved me through."  You even posted that NOW, they require two forms of ID. Generally two forms that are also required to get a state issued ID.  So, no you can't fly without ID (unless you have the alternate documents that you would have to provide to get a state ID.)  You've proved the opposite of what you stated.   

I've signed up to be a MN election judge this year; never done it before.....

(we can't say "*expletive deleted*" anymore?)

1)  Good on you for volunteering. Study up on Minnesota election law and if it walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, it sure ain't no chicken.  Here in Illinois judges can challenge a person ability to vote, if we have reason to believe that they are not who they say they are.  (I like serving in my own neighborhood as I know most of the people.)  And I'm not afraid to challenge, if I even get the slightest whiff of Eau de' Fraud.

2) You can say "Expletive Deleted" all you want, but if you use any of George Carlin's 7 words, and a few others, then they will also show up as "expletive deleted".

[AJ Dual]

I have this crazy idea that the real voter suppression happens when legitimate votes are cancelled out by the illegitimate.

But that's probably racist.

Bingo.

MY VOTE can be stolen, or canceled out fraudulently. That is something those who argue against Voter ID, either from a leftist or civil libertarian perspective never really seem to come out and address in these debates.

Besides the WI governor, who survived, there were a few  State Senate recall elections over all the union buthurtedness this summer, and the one who didn't make it lost by only a few hundred votes. And there were all sorts of irregularities like busted seals on the vote tally bags that were supposed to be overseen by the city clerk among other things. 

But no, vote fraud isn't happening.

[zxcvbob]

You can say "Expletive Deleted" all you want, but if you use any of George Carlin's 7 words, and a few others, then they will also show up as "*expletive deleted*".

I just wasn't expecting d' bag to be on the dirty word list -- and it fits Norm Coleman so well.

(Wow, the filter even blocks d hyphen bag.)

I wonder if "slime ball" gets thru...

[JonnyB]

I just wasn't expecting d' bag to be on the dirty word list -- and it fits Norm Coleman so well.

(Wow, the filter even blocks d hyphen bag.)

I wonder if "slime ball" gets thru...

I mentioned to someone the other day that, of the two Minnesota Senators, Al Franken seems the most senatorial. How bad is that?

jb

[geronimotwo]

Is voting a right?  It is mentioned in the constitution, but voting is never specifically enumerated as a right.

either it is, or you don't have to pay taxes.   

i don't care for the idea that a fee is involved for someone to vote.  of course maybe i should also figure if it is my "right" to bear arms i should have one given to me if i'm too poor to buy it for myself.   

[TommyGunn]

Is voting a right?  It is mentioned in the constitution, but voting is never specifically enumerated as a right.

either it is, or you don't have to pay taxes.   

i don't care for the idea that a fee is involved for someone to vote.  of course maybe i should also figure if it is my "right" to bear arms i should have one given to me if i'm too poor to buy it for myself

There is no individual right to vote in a presidential election in the U.S. Constitution.  A lot of confusion comes because of civil rights laws that were rightfully added to protect the ability of minorities to have equal access to voting.
A state may decide how it wishes to choose a president.  It can decide to flip a coin if it chooses (not that that is likely).  But, if it decides to hold a popular vote, then it must give equal access to everyone regardless of sex, race, religion and other similar factors.
This was one of the principles that was remarked upon in Bush vs. Gore, 2000.

[MicroBalrog]

Bingo.

MY VOTE can be stolen, or canceled out fraudulently. That is something those who argue against Voter ID, either from a leftist or civil libertarian perspective never really seem to come out and address in these debates.

Remember how you say "my freedom is worth a few dead kids now and then"?

My freedom is worth a few stolen votes now  and then.

[lupinus]

Remember how you say "my freedom is worth a few dead kids now and then"?

My freedom is worth a few stolen votes now  and then.

How bout when those are stealing your freedom along with it?

[MechAg94]

Remember how you say "my freedom is worth a few dead kids now and then"?

My freedom is worth a few stolen votes now  and then.

A few stolen votes now and then is what we would have if we required people to show ID.  Right now, I think it is a bit more than that at least in some districts.  We don't require ID when voters are registered so we should at least require it when voting.

Personally, I think we should get rid of the 3rd party voter registration and such also.  I like that everyone can vote, but I don't think we have an obligation to make it easy.  The voter needs to want to vote.

[Perd Hapley]

A few stolen votes now and then is what we would have if we required people to show ID.  Right now, I think it is a bit more than that at least in some districts.  We don't require ID when voters are registered so we should at least require it when voting.

Personally, I think we should get rid of the 3rd party voter registration and such also.  I like that everyone can vote, but I don't think we have an obligation to make it easy.  The voter needs to want to vote.

Bingo. If you can't figure out how to register, and go through some minimal effort to register, then you shouldn't be voting.

And what is the purpose of registering, if we don't know who these registered voters are? Why not issue a photo ID as part of registration?

And just FWIW, I voted in a primary this morning. Had to show ID. Missouri, baby! 

[geronimotwo]

here in NY they do not require id, but they have my signature on file (besides, pretty much everyone knows everyone in our town).  i don't have a problem with third party registration or giving rides to the voting booths, as long as the person is not influenced to vote other than their conscience.

personnally, i have always wanted an amendment that would require a person to be 100% unbiased in their voting.  by that i mean if you get even 1 tax dollar through your paycheck, or some form of kick back, then you aren't allowed to vote.  i know this would greatly reduce our voting pool, but it is the only way for it to remain unbiased.  i mean how many public servants (teachers, policemen, firemen, etc), or welfare recipients vote for a decrease in taxes when they know their income could be on the line.  the only exception i might consider would be a member of the armed forces.