Interesting what you can do with a bolt action

[lee n. field]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFYZHLuxXZ8&feature=player_embedded

10 rounds of 7.62 NATO, pretty darn fast.

Makes me contemplate the "Enfield K" conversion (No 4, in 7.62x39, using AK mags).

[ArfinGreebly]

You'll forgive me if I prefer a lever-action solution.

Even unto a Savage 99, Winchester 95, or BLR.

Anyone still making a box-mag-fed lever gun?

[AZRedhawk44]

And you can be 10x more accurate at the same rate of fire, with a semiauto shooting the same size cartridge.

See that muzzle swing around like crazy while running the bolt?  That's not even minutes of angle, that's degrees.  Those shots are tens of feet apart at 100 yards.

[Devonai]

While I agree about speed and accuracy compared to a semi-auto, in all fairness the shooter refers to his efforts as the "Mad Minute," the initial reaction to contact that overwhelms the enemy and allows your flanking element to get into position.  Accuracy is secondary.

Though I must also admit that since the Mad Minute is only accomplished as a squad, any individual propensity for speed is probably irrelevant anyway.

[Scout26]

Google "The Battle of Mons".  

the Germans made nearly unmissable targets for the well-trained British riflemen (who were evidently making hits at over 1,000 yards (910 m))

Indeed, so heavy was the British rifle fire throughout the battle that the Germans thought they were facing batteries of machine guns.

[dm1333]

Makes me contemplate the "Enfield K" conversion (No 4, in 7.62x39, using AK mags).

I've been thinking of that conversion for years.  The guy is working the bolt with thumb and forefinger and squeezing the trigger with his middle finger.

[CNYCacher]

the "Mad Minute," the initial reaction to contact that overwhelms the enemy and allows your flanking element to get into position

I heard the term before, but never knew that it was a "thing" other than something to have fun with at the range.  Learn something new every day.

[Ex-MA Hole]

You'll forgive me if I prefer a lever-action solution.

QFT

[Balog]

Hard to run a lever action from prone.

[AJ Dual]

Hard to run a lever action from prone.

This.  Plus blunt/flat bullet meplats to prevent chain-fire, and inferior ballistics.

[ArfinGreebly]

Hard to run a lever action from prone.

This.  Plus blunt/flat bullet meplats to prevent chain-fire, and inferior ballistics.

Hence the mention of box-mag-fed lever guns.

Like the Savage 99 or the Win 95.  And the BLR.


And, yes, I get that levers and prone are not best friends, but from most other positions they hold a respectable rate of fire.

[Angel Eyes]

You'll forgive me if I prefer a lever-action solution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1BwUJ4--Qw

[Ex-MA Hole]

Damn

[Fly320s]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFYZHLuxXZ8&feature=player_embedded

10 rounds of 7.62 NATO, pretty darn fast.

Makes me contemplate the "Enfield K" conversion (No 4, in 7.62x39, using AK mags).

That guy is shooting blanks.

[Gewehr98]

And you can be 10x more accurate at the same rate of fire, with a semiauto shooting the same size cartridge.

See that muzzle swing around like crazy while running the bolt?  That's not even minutes of angle, that's degrees.  Those shots are tens of feet apart at 100 yards.

Nope.  The British qualifications for the Mad Minute also included accuracy requirements.  The minimum passing score was 15 hits on a 12" target at 300 yards in one minute.

Many broke 30 hits in that one minute, with the record being 38 hits.  

Some of my fellow Oulde Pharts and myself used to have SMLE day at the range, and had a 300 yard, 12" metal target mounted on an automotive axle shaft stub inside a coil spring.

It was an absolute riot with a squad of guys shooting Lee-Enfields making that gong ring!

When the weather warms up around here, I want to try something similar with my No5Mk1 Jungle Carbine.

[French G.]

K-31 happiness for me. Wear a hat, the faster you pull, the further the cases go. Straight up. OW!

[lupinus]

That guy is shooting blanks.

My thought as well.

Zero recoil and brass to big to be .22 (and even then, there'd be some recoil).

[Jamisjockey]

You'll forgive me if I prefer a box magazine fed semi-automatic solution.  Well aimed rapid fire.  If things were so interesting that I had a few people in support and needed to provide a base of cover fire, it can be done with just two riflemen firing in shifts.

[Ben]

You'll forgive me if I prefer a box magazine fed solution.  Well aimed rapid fire.  If things were so interesting that I had a few people in support and needed to provide a base of cover fire, it can be done with just two riflemen firing in shifts.

There is also the left-handed aspect. I'm a lefty who owns all righty bolt guns. I'm not getting any fast repeating shots out of them. For fast repeating shots, I'm going to my M1A, M1, or one of the lever guns.

I've actually been looking at getting a lefty bolt gun to replace my 788 as my primary hunting rifle - either the Ruger Hawkeye or one of the Savages. Kinda thinking right now is a good time to trade in the Glock 23 at a good price, and get a bolt gun that's likely one of the few rifles left on the gun store shelves at a good price. :)

[AZRedhawk44]

There is also the left-handed aspect. I'm a lefty who owns all righty bolt guns. I'm not getting any fast repeating shots out of them. For fast repeating shots, I'm going to my M1A, M1, or one of the lever guns.

I've actually been looking at getting a lefty bolt gun to replace my 788 as my primary hunting rifle - either the Ruger Hawkeye or one of the Savages. Kinda thinking right now is a good time to trade in the Glock 23 at a good price, and get a bolt gun that's likely one of the few rifles left on the gun store shelves at a good price. :)

+eleventy.

I just saw a LH Savage Model 10 in .308 on phoenix backpage, with some sort of cheap mil-dot scope on it, for $500.  Temptation calls.  But, I'd immediately drop another $1000+ on better glass for it and a better stock for it.  Don't need yet another money pit right now.  And I need to keep the last bit of my "gun reserve" money for our Pmag group buy when that goes hot.

[AZRedhawk44]

Nope.  The British qualifications for the Mad Minute also included accuracy requirements.  The minimum passing score was 15 hits on a 12" target at 300 yards in one minute.

Many broke 30 hits in that one minute, with the record being 38 hits.  

Some of my fellow Oulde Pharts and myself used to have SMLE day at the range, and had a 300 yard, 12" metal target mounted on an automotive axle shaft stub inside a coil spring.

It was an absolute riot with a squad of guys shooting Lee-Enfields making that gong ring!

When the weather warms up around here, I want to try something similar with my No5Mk1 Jungle Carbine.

Interesting requirement.  15 hits/min is 1 every 4 seconds on a 4MOA target.  How very... Appleseed-like.   Record is 38 hits standing in one minute, 12" at 300 yards?  Or prone?  Amazing, either way.

[roo_ster]

K-31 happiness for me. Wear a hat, the faster you pull, the further the cases go. Straight up. OW!

I love my K31, too.  Problem is the danged stripper clip/loader things are made partly from reinforced paper and wear out quick.  And spare box magazines are $$$$.  If you can find them.

[Devonai]

Yeah, I picked up a spare mag for my Enfield #4 Mk 1 some years ago, $40 was the cheapest I could find one.  I sold the rifle but of course kept the spare mag in case I changed my mind one day.

For the rimmed .303 Brit, I could never figure out how to prevent rimlock when loading from stripper clips.  I used to know a grand old Sergeant Major with the British Army who fought in Cyprus in the late '50s, and I asked him about it.  He shrugged and said they never really had that issue.  I resigned myself to simply using my two carefully-loaded magazines though twenty rounds isn't much in a "pinch."

[Balog]

Yeah, I picked up a spare mag for my Enfield #4 Mk 1 some years ago, $40 was the cheapest I could find one.  I sold the rifle but of course kept the spare mag in case I changed my mind one day.

For the rimmed .303 Brit, I could never figure out how to prevent rimlock when loading from stripper clips.  I used to know a grand old Sergeant Major with the British Army who fought in Cyprus in the late '50s, and I asked him about it.  He shrugged and said they never really had that issue.  I resigned myself to simply using my two carefully-loaded magazines though twenty rounds isn't much in a "pinch."

At least with a Mosin, it's all about keeping the clip oriented correctly.

[brimic]

eleventy.

I just saw a LH Savage Model 10 in .308 on phoenix backpage, with some sort of cheap mil-dot scope on it, for $500.  Temptation calls.  But, I'd immediately drop another $1000+ on better glass for it and a better stock for it.

The savage model 10s usually come with a decent stock built for accuracy, even if they look cheesey.
The ones I know of are the Savage Accustock, Choate tactical and folding sniper (both use aluminum bedding blocks), A McMillan, or a HS Precision stock. Mine has the Choate Tactical, its the most accurate rifle I own, but its also a heavy SOB.