do i need to be paranoid - yet

[vaskidmark]

somebody just told me that new cell phones will not have batteries anymore.  no idea what they use tor power.

anybody know what's up?

 (from my cellphone on the way to the bunker just in case)

[Balog]

Perhaps they meant, they will not have removeable/replaceable batteries?

[RevDisk]

...

Uhm. Electronics need a source of electrons to function. So... no, new cell phones will continue to have a power source, most likely to be a battery. Various cell phones do not have easily replaceable batteries. Any cell phone can have its battery replaced, even Apple devices, even without the consent or intent of its manufacturer. It's just a question of a) how easily and b) does it void the warranty.

[AJ Dual]

Perhaps they meant, they will not have removeable/replaceable batteries?

This.

My Droid Razr Maxx has a "non user replaceable battery", however with a few torx screws and carefully prying away lots of glue, and friction fit plastic snap-tabs, I can change my battery out and have, however it's not anything you can do easily in the field if you feel the need for some absolute OPSEC in the SIGINT sense.

So there's no way to be 100% sure it's not still "on" and "spying on you" either through audio, the camera, or GPS. Although putting it in a RFID proof mesh bag would be a good start.

However, that wouldn't protect you from audio spying that the phone saved and uploaded to No Such Agency or other hacktivists later on once you did get the phone back online.

[Balog]

somebody just told me that new cell phones will not have batteries anymore.  no idea what they use tor power.

anybody know what's up?

 (from my cellphone on the way to the bunker just in case)

Speaking of paranoid, I note that Skid has posted a short, random, slightly incoherent OP sans capitalization. Skid and CSD are from a geographically similar area, and I've never seen a picture of the two of them together.

Theory: CSD is actually just a troll account that Skid runs, and he's finally slipped up after forgetting which account he was logged in to.

 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Speaking of paranoid, I note that Skid has posted a short, random, slightly incoherent OP sans capitalization. Skid and CSD are from a geographically similar area, and I've never seen a picture of the two of them together.

Theory: CSD is actually just a troll account that Skid runs, and he's finally slipped up after forgetting which account he was logged in to.

 

nope  i am much younger   well a lil younger   but much prettier
i think hes taller though
and i am not YET  as grumpy   but i am working on it

[RevDisk]

This.

My Droid Razr Maxx has a "non user replaceable battery", however with a few torx screws and carefully prying away lots of glue, and friction fit plastic snap-tabs, I can change my battery out and have, however it's not anything you can do easily in the field if you feel the need for some absolute OPSEC in the SIGINT sense.

So there's no way to be 100% sure it's not still "on" and "spying on you" either through audio, the camera, or GPS. Although putting it in a RFID proof mesh bag would be a good start.

However, that wouldn't protect you from audio spying that the phone saved and uploaded to No Such Agency or other hacktivists later on once you did get the phone back online.

We jokingly call them "battery out conversations". Battery goes out, phone and battery goes into a Faraday bag, which goes under a pillow.

http://www.faradaybag.com/products.html

A shielded, grounded and soundproofed Faraday box is more preferable, but more cumbersome and noticeable.

[Boomhauer]

We jokingly call them "battery out conversations". Battery goes out, phone and battery goes into a Faraday bag, which goes under a pillow.

http://www.faradaybag.com/products.html

A shielded, grounded and soundproofed Faraday box is more preferable, but more cumbersome and noticeable.

I just either leave the phone in the car and talk in the building or vise versa. And no, my vehicle does not have an onboard spying system such as Onstar or one of the other makes.

[charby]

If you are paranoid, it means that they have won. 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Not paranoid. Just cautious

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[RevDisk]

If you are paranoid, it means that they have won. 

Uh, because they have?

The POTUS can send automated hunter-killer aircraft to put a missile through your kid's window because the NSA thinks you might talk to bad people. That has happened already. With any meaningful oversight and without any warrants, and it's considered legal. We're already rocking the dystopian Sci-Fi future, dude.

[Fly320s]

Uh, because they have?

The POTUS can send automated hunter-killer aircraft to put a missile through your kid's window because the NSA thinks you might talk to bad people. That has happened already. With any meaningful oversight and without any warrants, and it's considered legal. We're already rocking the dystopian Sci-Fi future, dude.

That happened in the US?

[charby]

That happened in the US?

Same question I have.

[Balog]

That happened in the US?

Not yet (that is publicly acknowledged anyway) but the Justice Dept has said they'd be ok with it.

[AJ Dual]

Not yet (that is publicly acknowledged anyway) but the Justice Dept has said they'd be ok with it.

And the Stanford Prison experiments and the Milgram experiment have long ago proved 90%+ of the people will push the button when ordered to do so.

[Balog]

And the Stanford Prison experiments and the Milgram experiment have long ago proved 90%+ of the people will push the button when ordered to do so.

While I'm not saying I agree or disagree, this is what I think of every time those are referenced...

[AJ Dual]

Agreed. The science "experiments" border on anecdotal. OTOH, as far as I know, they're all we have too.

Somebody find me the study where people were ethical, and the majority refused, or tried to aid the victims real or acting. Seriously. I want to know. I could use such heartwarming info. A study or experiment on authority, harm, compassion, empathy, and peer pressure etc. that doesn't align with the whole "Auschwitz tower guard" theme that's so prevalent throughout human history.

Also, there's a cost basis and risk basis that's well, 100%... everything, that you take on when you put your lives and the lives of your children, or things that are arguably even worse than death if you decide to just throw yourselves on the mercy of your fellow man, or the governments he devises.

[lee n. field]

Not paranoid. Just cautious

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Not paranoid or cautious enough.

[lee n. field]

So there's no way to be 100% sure it's not still "on" and "spying on you" either through audio, the camera, or GPS. Although putting it in a RFID proof mesh bag would be a good start.

I do not at all trust the Android tablet my son got me for Christmas, not to tattle on me.

[Balog]

Agreed. The science "experiments" border on anecdotal. OTOH, as far as I know, they're all we have too.

Somebody find me the study where people were ethical, and the majority refused, or tried to aid the victims real or acting. Seriously. I want to know. I could use such heartwarming info. A study or experiment on authority, harm, compassion, empathy, and peer pressure etc. that doesn't align with the whole "Auschwitz tower guard" theme that's so prevalent throughout human history.

Also, there's a cost basis and risk basis that's well, 100%... everything, that you take on when you put your lives and the lives of your children, or things that are arguably even worse than death if you decide to just throw yourselves on the mercy of your fellow man, or the governments he devises.

Like I said, I think the conclusions those experiments drew are correct, it's just part of my ongoing war against calling things "science" that aren't. Which is about %90 of things called science at this point.

[geronimotwo]

And no, my vehicle does not have an onboard spying system such as Onstar or one of the other makes.

[that he knows of.....evil laugh....]

[vaskidmark]

The initial post was sent while I was talking with some guy who was telling me about what the guy at the Radio Shack had told him, which, with much prodding, back-filling, and coaxing the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth - yes, all three at the same time - was that the guy at the Radio Shack had told him that pretty soon no cell phones would have batteries and because he (the guy known by the guy I was talking with) worked at the Radio Shach he (same paranthetical guy) ought to know.  (Yes, it's the gun shop counter guy syndrome.  Live with it.)

I had other places to see and people to do, and knew that if I did not post something right away I would forget about it by the time I got back home.  So that's why the initial post.

As for aspersions, accusations, and allegations that I and c&sd are one and the same, or that I run his account as a troll account, let me just say that the lack of veracity in any of those is only exceeded by my loss of faith in APSers at being so accused.  Unless c&sd looks like a 5'6" Santa Claus with shoulder-length white hair, a full beard, and  the facial expression and attitude of Walter

there is little chance he even remotely resembles me.

Having settled that, allow me to fill you in a bit on the claim so brazenly made:

I managed to talk with the guy at the Radio Shack and told him what the other guy said he (the guy at the Radio Shack) had said about cell phones soon having no batteries.  The guy at the Radio Shack told me that he had heard someone say that there was a way to get the cellphone tower antennae to send radio waves to cellphones, and that if they put RIFD-like chips in the phones they could be powered by the cellphone tower radio waves, just like hardwired phopnes are powered by the telephone wires.  The guy at the Radio Shack also told me that it would not happen until the whole country was covered by 4G networks so they (the cellphone companies, I'm guessing) could use wifi to power your phone without batteries in the phone.

I have read all the replies that have been posted.  Unfortunately, none of them address this wifi-powered RFID chip as the source of power.  Nor do they seem to address any alternative technology that might be employed to provide power via some 4G wifi network everybody will have some sday.  So I find myself back to the original question once more:

Do I need to be paranoid - yet?

stay safe.

edited for typo

[Scout26]

I generally carry my phone in left hip pocket. 



I hope the NSA has hours and hours of my flatulence recorded somewhere.

[geronimotwo]

obviously they are using the electrical impulses of our own nervous system to run the phone.

[vaskidmark]

obviously they are using the electrical impulses of our own nervous system to run the phone.

Aha!  So there is a way.  But will it work before everybody has wifi on a 4G network?

stay safe.