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Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2014, 07:17:17 PM »
"A medical transport plane departed the US Thursday afternoon, headed to Liberia to pick up an American Ebola patient."
From : http://www.11alive.com/story/news/health/2014/07/31/emory-university-hospital-ebola-patient/13429519/


I wonder if that plane won't land at Ft. Detrick instead.  Everyone has a smallpox vaccine now......

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Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2014, 07:18:48 PM »
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-27/second-us-citizen-infected-ebola-liberia

"What is most disturbing is that the two physicians have contracted the lethal disease despite apparently taking much needed precations to avoid infection as the following photos below demonstrate"
Ebola has always burnt itself out pretty quickly, but not here. And it seems to be spreading more than it usually does.

I have to wonder, even though apparently not airborne or anything, it isn't a new strain that is a little more infectious. Or if it's just a perfect *expletive deleted*it storm.

Or, Ebola is a cover. And it's zombies. And the CDC wants to be able to study a couple  [tinfoil]
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Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2014, 07:32:23 PM »
I can't even more than begin to imagine how the patients in the African hospital would feel when they see the white American woman being transported back to the States on a special flight.

I'm just trying to put myself(a little bit) into the shoes of a desperate,pathetic,dying Liberian person.Nope,can't do it.The abject fear that this disease makes me feel makes compassion just fly out the window.Kill it with fire.And then salt the earth.

I think the last Ebola outbreak was a headline for just a few weeks.

This one's been simmering for a few months.
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Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2014, 11:41:30 PM »
All we need is for a few infected individuals to be slipped into the tidal wave coming across the southern boarder.
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Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2014, 09:00:38 AM »
Some of the early cases in this outbreak were Drs and nurses who were wearing full protective gear, something might be different this time- different in a very bad way.
Yep. However, I heard there's a case where a man who was infected, got on an airliner and flew into Lagos, infecting at least dozens of people on the way, and probably more in Lagos as well when he finally crashed out there.
21 million people packed into that city.


The American (IIRC) doctor who just died of Ebola was reportedly near-manic about proper PPE, considered extraordinarily unlikely to have deliberately or inadvertantly screwed up and gotten exposed. Airborne exposure is being looked at as a possibility.

Not saying he didn't screw up. But they really don't think he did.

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Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2014, 09:34:29 AM »
The American (IIRC) doctor who just died of Ebola was reportedly near-manic about proper PPE, considered extraordinarily unlikely to have deliberately or inadvertantly screwed up and gotten exposed. Airborne exposure is being looked at as a possibility.

Not saying he didn't screw up. But they really don't think he did.

He didn't screw up with standard hospital gear, (i.e. mask, gloves, eyeshields, paper smock) simply operating in Africa that's a huge handicap. They do not have the niceties of basic plumbing, and tile/concrete/vinyl/linoleum floors that can be bleached and washed properly, or Ethylene Oxide autoclave systems./ Nor does he have the luxury of first-world educated staff alongside him. They screw up, re-use gear, forget themselves and pick their nose, and they touch him, sit next to him, or contaminate some surface once they've left the patient area, and perhaps that's how he caught it.

Nothing is going to happen in America with the patients transferred in the plastic tents, and everyone wearing full suits, and kept in negative pressure rooms with ozone/UV air handling systems, and high level CDC/USAMRID type protocols.

The regular old Flu kills hundreds, thousands times more people every year. (And it's mutating every year, randomly throwing the dice at getting more virulent and deadly each time...) People, even relatively hard-nosed logical ones suddenly lack a sense of scale and an understanding of statistics and orders of magnitude when they get emotionally invested.

Also, the risk/reward ratio of getting to understand and study Ebola further in a first world setting with the best tools has to be weighed in as well.
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Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #31 on: August 01, 2014, 10:07:03 AM »
Part in bold is factually incorrect. They weren't even able to follow standard Western sanitation procedures like one time use of supplies, they were washing and reusing gloves etc. Full MOPP gear, in a rural African clinic? You're so funny.

Still, drastically more sanitation than is practiced by the average American...or did I fail to notice Chemturion suits taking over the latest fashion trends?  Our hospitals are more careful, but if something like this made it out into the general population, it could spread far and fast.

Things that shouldn't survive in a first-world country still do all the time, because people get lax about basic hygiene and food safety.  Look at salmonella and e. coli; those should be a non-issue, but outbreaks keep popping up from contaminated food.  Imagine what one ebola-infected lettuce picker or cheese slicer at a plant with nationwide distribution could cause.

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Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2014, 10:29:35 AM »
Still, drastically more sanitation than is practiced by the average American...or did I fail to notice Chemturion suits taking over the latest fashion trends?  Our hospitals are more careful, but if something like this made it out into the general population, it could spread far and fast.

Things that shouldn't survive in a first-world country still do all the time, because people get lax about basic hygiene and food safety.  Look at salmonella and e. coli; those should be a non-issue, but outbreaks keep popping up from contaminated food.  Imagine what one ebola-infected lettuce picker or cheese slicer at a plant with nationwide distribution could cause.

Just think about (if you're a guy) how many penises you touch by proxy every time you use the door knob when exiting a public bathroom. Think about what other diseases might be there. Or the shopping carts at the grocery store, or...
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Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #34 on: August 01, 2014, 12:13:38 PM »
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Nothing is going to happen in America with the patients transferred in the plastic tents, and everyone wearing full suits, and kept in negative pressure rooms with ozone/UV air handling systems, and high level CDC/USAMRID type protocols.

Nothing is going to happen- until something does.
Why not fly some sort of mobile hospital/laboratory unit over to africa to study the disease? That would give use a few thousand miles of ocean as containment. For that matter, there is an American run Lassa Fever facility in Sierra Leone, though its under attack by pissed off natives as there are reports that the outbreak started in that area.
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Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2014, 12:47:51 PM »
Just think about (if you're a guy) how many penises you touch by proxy every time you use the door knob when exiting a public bathroom. Think about what other diseases might be there. Or the shopping carts at the grocery store, or...

I work in a fracking academic medical school/hospital complex, and the level of restroom hygiene, or lack tereof, is sometimes shocking.
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Re: Re: Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #36 on: August 01, 2014, 01:35:28 PM »
Just think about (if you're a guy) how many penises you touch by proxy every time you use the door knob when exiting a public bathroom. Think about what other diseases might be there. Or the shopping carts at the grocery store, or...
Screw door knobs. Keep that in mind next time you're picking out some peaches.
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Re: Re: Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2014, 01:47:25 PM »
Screw door knobs.

No thanks.  If you can fit in the keyhole, I don't want to know.

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Re: Re: Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2014, 01:59:00 PM »
Screw door knobs. Keep that in mind next time you're picking out some peaches.

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Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2014, 02:09:19 PM »
Hospital acquired infections;

http://www.cdc.gov/HAI/surveillance/index.html

and we know how to prevent these also. Granted, some may be transmitted before the infection is known, but not all of them.

It will take extraordinary precautions and total compliance to infection control protocols once these patients get back to the US. I have some faith, but not much. The longer the patients live before cure or death, the higher the chance of ebola getting loose in Atlanta.

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Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #40 on: August 01, 2014, 02:41:27 PM »
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The regular old Flu kills hundreds, thousands times more people every year. (And it's mutating every year, randomly throwing the dice at getting more virulent and deadly each time...) People, even relatively hard-nosed logical ones suddenly lack a sense of scale and an understanding of statistics and orders of magnitude when they get emotionally invested.

Look at the near panic over  the Anthrax infections a few years ago.

Imagine if a few infected people got into the illegal immigrant refugee facilities.  Our enemies have no problem blowng themselves to kingdom come, not too much of a stretch to see extremists willing to infect themselves with something like Ebola and try to spread it.
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Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #41 on: August 01, 2014, 04:03:36 PM »
Imagine if a few infected people got into the illegal immigrant refugee facilities.  Our enemies have no problem blowng themselves to kingdom come, not too much of a stretch to see extremists willing to infect themselves with something like Ebola and try to spread it.

Now going the other way is something that would have made the Bergdahl trade less idiotic.  I wonder how many that would ultimately have taken out.

Of course, we'd have to find some volunteers with nothing to lose to make the trade; having all the troops show up in Racal suits would be a little too obvious...but for an opportunity like that, some might just jump at the chance to be a martyr.

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Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #42 on: August 01, 2014, 04:15:38 PM »
Now going the other way is something that would have made the Bergdahl trade less idiotic.  I wonder how many that would ultimately have taken out.

Of course, we'd have to find some volunteers with nothing to lose to make the trade; having all the troops show up in Racal suits would be a little too obvious...but for an opportunity like that, some might just jump at the chance to be a martyr.

Nah, just do it with something that we have a vaccine for, and is rare enough said vaccine would be hard to find in a -stan. 

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Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #43 on: August 01, 2014, 04:23:05 PM »
Nah, just do it with something that we have a vaccine for, and is rare enough said vaccine would be hard to find in a -stan.

You have to admit, though, that ebola's mechanism is particularly demoralizing to the ones who get to watch it and realize it's already too late for them.

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Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #44 on: August 01, 2014, 04:35:11 PM »
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-27/second-us-citizen-infected-ebola-liberia

"What is most disturbing is that the two physicians have contracted the lethal disease despite apparently taking much needed precations to avoid infection as the following photos below demonstrate"

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« Reply #45 on: August 01, 2014, 05:13:56 PM »
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Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #46 on: August 01, 2014, 06:39:49 PM »
Not the first time Zero Hedge has been shall we say over-enthusiastic about the end of the world
Or 48-72 hours ahead if the mainstream media...
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Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #47 on: August 01, 2014, 07:24:28 PM »
Some good info here from an acquaintance of mine that is an Army scientist

http://forum.maxvelocitytactical.com/forums/topic/recent-ebola-outbreakepidemic/
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Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #48 on: August 01, 2014, 07:42:41 PM »
Some good info here from an acquaintance of mine that is an Army scientist

http://forum.maxvelocitytactical.com/forums/topic/recent-ebola-outbreakepidemic/

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Re: "Drastic action" required to stop ebola epidemic
« Reply #49 on: August 01, 2014, 07:46:12 PM »
Some good info here from an acquaintance of mine that is an Army scientist

http://forum.maxvelocitytactical.com/forums/topic/recent-ebola-outbreakepidemic/

The post coalesces what several news articles were piecing together.Kills fewer,started in coastal West Africa instead of the armpit,hasn't burnt out after six months,is coming to America (LIVE!),and is believed to be airborne in at least a couple of cases.

Oh yeah,and it's being imported here.On purpose.I'd of thought that the CDC would have had a fully stocked mobile hospital that was air transportable.IOWs,they could study it OVER THERE and only need to send the data back here.

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