Fireclean is basically Crisco

[Hawkmoon]

I have officially endorsed FIREClean lubricant. As most of you know my endorsements are very rare and very difficult to earn; my name and reputation are everything to me so I only put my stamp of approval on items that stand above the crowd-

This would be from the same Larry Vickers who made a bunch of money telling people how great the 1911 is and how to build one just like his that's impervious to sun, sand, salt, slush, sleet, and [bleep] ... and then went on Glock's payroll and immediately started telling people how great the Glock is and how terrible the 1911 is. THAT Larry Vickers?

... it continues to provide lubrication even when it appears none is on the moving parts of the weapon. This is because it is actually in the pores of the metal and this allows for easier clean up and less carbon fouling.

Of course, Frog Lube also claims to get into the "pores" of the metal. I want to see these alleged pores, and I want to see somebody prove to be that either Frog Lube or FIREClean actually penetrates the metal below the surface to any meaningful extent.

[Jocassee]

This would be from the same Larry Vickers who made a bunch of money telling people how great the 1911 is and how to build one just like his that's impervious to sun, sand, salt, slush, sleet, and [bleep] ... and then went on Glock's payroll and immediately started telling people how great the Glock is and how terrible the 1911 is. THAT Larry Vickers?

Of course, Frog Lube also claims to get into the "pores" of the metal. I want to see these alleged pores, and I want to see somebody prove to be that either Frog Lube or FIREClean actually penetrates the metal below the surface to any meaningful extent.

Probably the same concept as seasoning a cast iron pan.

[Balog]

This would be from the same Larry Vickers who made a bunch of money telling people how great the 1911 is and how to build one just like his that's impervious to sun, sand, salt, slush, sleet, and [bleep] ... and then went on Glock's payroll and immediately started telling people how great the Glock is and how terrible the 1911 is. THAT Larry Vickers?

Of course, Frog Lube also claims to get into the "pores" of the metal. I want to see these alleged pores, and I want to see somebody prove to be that either Frog Lube or FIREClean actually penetrates the metal below the surface to any meaningful extent.

Also the guy who said Daniel Defense was the best AR ever made, until Bravo Company started paying him.

[TechMan]

Is he the same one that did the hanging upside down out the side of a truck video?

You mean this guy? Tactical Flop

[Hawkmoon]

Probably the same concept as seasoning a cast iron pan.

Or not.

I'm a senior citizen. I grew up with cast iron cookware, and I have a bunch of cast iron frying pans and dutch ovens that I inherited from my mother and my aunt. The seasoning grease for cast iron is baked on, not in -- you coat the frying pan with fat and then cook it for at least an hour at 400 degrees or so. I've never heard anyone claim the seasoning gets into the "pores" of the pan. It bakes on, and it can easily be damaged. That's why you don't scrub a cast iron pan with soap and Brillo. You just rinse it with water and a rag or a sponge. If it was seasoned right, it's less sticky than new Teflon.

[Hawkmoon]

You mean this guy? Tactical Flop

"We were able to put enough targets on round ..."

[White Horseradish]

Buy vegetable oil for $2 a quart
Put it into 2 ounce bottles
Hype the hell out of it
Sell 2oz bottles for $15 a pop to suckers
PROFIT!!!!


This is the stuff that makes America great!

[Perd Hapley]

"We were able to put enough targets on round ..."

You're not operator enough to put targets on round.

[MechAg94]

This would be from the same Larry Vickers who made a bunch of money telling people how great the 1911 is and how to build one just like his that's impervious to sun, sand, salt, slush, sleet, and [bleep] ... and then went on Glock's payroll and immediately started telling people how great the Glock is and how terrible the 1911 is. THAT Larry Vickers?

Of course, Frog Lube also claims to get into the "pores" of the metal. I want to see these alleged pores, and I want to see somebody prove to be that either Frog Lube or FIREClean actually penetrates the metal below the surface to any meaningful extent.

I don't really want a product to penetrate the grain boundaries of my steel.  If memory serves, that is what chlorine does to stainless steel.

[MechAg94]

http://www.bigtexoutdoors.com/collections/top-sellers/products/fireclean-fouling-resistant-oil-2-ounce-fc-2?variant=4650838401

That quote mentioned firing 210 rounds through an AR.  Do they get a lot of carbon after 200 rounds of ammo?  What dirty ammo are they shooting?

[TechMan]

That quote mentioned firing 210 rounds through an AR.  Do they get a lot of carbon after 200 rounds of ammo?  What dirty ammo are they shooting?

Wolf?

[KD5NRH]

That quote mentioned firing 210 rounds through an AR.  Do they get a lot of carbon after 200 rounds of ammo?  What dirty ammo are they shooting?

Well, maybe it's a custom AR in 25-25 Stevens...

https://www.buffaloarms.com/25_25_Stevens_Ammunition%20_it-924479.aspx?CAT=4441

[brimic]

I read the source article and as a former analytical chemist, some GC/MS results would be more helpful than IR spectroscopy.

I agree. IR is a qualitative test for functional groups, nothing more. It needs GC or LC Mass Spec to make any kind of real determination.
I'm not trained and signed off to use Mass Spec where I work, but I now might have to sneak in a few a 1H NMR runs on the two (though I don't have any fireclean) which would give a much better perspective than an IR.

[MechAg94]

Wolf?

Steel case Russian ammo?

[RoadKingLarry]

I agree. IR is a qualitative test for functional groups, nothing more. It needs GC or LC Mass Spec to make any kind of real determination.
I'm not trained and signed off to use Mass Spec where I work, but I now might have to sneak in a few a 1H NMR runs on the two (though I don't have any fireclean) which would give a much better perspective than an IR.

Be worth it order some fireclean for the test. Use some Crisco and/or good old fashioned lard as the control.

[K Frame]

IIRC aspirin and LSD are nearly identical chemically.

BIG difference, though.

[KD5NRH]

I agree. IR is a qualitative test for functional groups, nothing more. It needs GC or LC Mass Spec to make any kind of real determination.
I'm not trained and signed off to use Mass Spec where I work, but I now might have to sneak in a few a 1H NMR runs on the two (though I don't have any fireclean) which would give a much better perspective than an IR.

Meh; just taste both and report back.

After all, if things that were really different could taste the same, there would be truly viable butter substitutes by now, and a generic DrPepper ripoff that tastes at least sort of similar to the real thing.

[Balog]

IIRC aspirin and LSD are nearly identical chemically.

BIG difference, though.

According to the patent Fireclean appears to be a blend of three nut and veggie oils. So, not exactly the same as Crisco but in the same basic genera. This is more an indictment of marketing hype and buying stuff because someone famous says to.

"The bottom line is over-lubrication is a myth" -LAV 12/12/14

"I then made the classic mistake of putting it on too thick" -LAV on Fireclean 12/26/14

[brimic]

IIRC aspirin and LSD are nearly identical chemically.

BIG difference, though.

The only thing they have in common is the term 'acid' in their name. They aren't even close chemically.

[griz]

New marketing campaign:

Fireclean...the gluten free firearms lube!

[K Frame]

The only thing they have in common is the term 'acid' in their name. They aren't even close chemically.

It was something beneficial and LSD, or aspirin and something nasty.

[K Frame]

According to the patent Fireclean appears to be a blend of three nut and veggie oils. So, not exactly the same as Crisco but in the same basic genera. This is more an indictment of marketing hype and buying stuff because someone famous says to.

"The bottom line is over-lubrication is a myth" -LAV 12/12/14

"I then made the classic mistake of putting it on too thick" -LAV on Fireclean 12/26/14

The only thing I ever bought because it was endorsed by someone famous was Reaganite Republicanism.

I'm still enjoying that purchase.

[Devonai]

New marketing campaign:

Fireclean...the gluten free firearms lube!

You don't want your AR to get IBS, do you?

[brimic]

You don't want your AR to get IBS, do you?

Especially when it craps where it eats... 

[Firethorn]

It was something beneficial and LSD, or aspirin and something nasty.

Maybe it was Aspirin and Heroin?