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CARB Gas Cans Suck
« on: April 08, 2016, 07:02:49 PM »
I already knew, via common knowledge, that CARB gas can spouts suck. I've got older gas cans though, and never had to experience one. I just bought a new 5 gallon can and had my first in-person experience. Those things are the worst Rube Goldberg devices ever invented.

Since I already knew they sucked, I ordered an EZ-Pour "flammable water" replacement spout off Amazon the day I bought the gas can. Showed up today. I can recommend them. The spout fits like a glove (comes with two caps for different threads) and the vent cap snapped in tightly, no leaks. The hardest part about the whole thing was getting all the plastic shavings out of the can from drilling the vent hole. They're not cheap at $10 (the gas can cost me $16 at Costco), but I'd likely pay double that to avoid the CARB spout. Yuck.

http://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Spout-Water-Update-Your/dp/B00CYNDNM8/ref=lp_9023186011_1_1?srs=9023186011&ie=UTF8&qid=1460156405&sr=8-1

They also have high flow ones, but I'm using this one mostly on small engines, so flow rate is just right for me.
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Re: CARB Gas Cans Suck
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2016, 07:38:49 PM »
I had three nozzles on pre-CARB cans go south in one year. I was not happy about having to buy new CARB compliant nozzles but was thrilled when I found these. They have held up well for several years.

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Re: CARB Gas Cans Suck
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2016, 07:50:53 PM »
When my two non carb cans go south, I'm switching over to metal safety cans.
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Re: CARB Gas Cans Suck
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2016, 08:16:47 PM »
I confess I use my DOD connections to come up with USGI 5 gal gas cans and nozzles after they have been deemed "Unservicable" by the US military.  They last like another 7-10 years after that if you don't strap them to the back of a HMMWV.

I feel for the folks that have to use the ruined gas cans though.  I used one once on a chain saw, and ditched it.  Better to top off a chainsaw out of a 5 gal can that works then that abortion.

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Re: CARB Gas Cans Suck
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2016, 09:21:14 PM »
I hadn't been shopping for gas cans in a while so when I bought one recently I was first shocked at the price, then baffled that they had designed it to keep you from pouring gas in to a lawn mower.  In a cruel coincidence, that happened to be the reason I bought it.  So thanks for the link to a useful nozzle. A cheap plastic gas can now costs almost thirty bucks to use, but at least I will be able to use it.
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Re: CARB Gas Cans Suck
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2016, 10:55:44 PM »
On drilling a hole for the vent... if there is a seam where the 2 halves of the gas "can" are joined together, do not attempt to drill your hole on the seam.  Move it to one side or the other.  Hadda go buy a second can after mine split from the drilling.
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Re: CARB Gas Cans Suck
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2016, 12:01:24 AM »
On drilling a hole for the vent... if there is a seam where the 2 halves of the gas "can" are joined together, do not attempt to drill your hole on the seam.  Move it to one side or the other.  Hadda go buy a second can after mine split from the drilling.

I drilled mine offset, if for nothing else, to make sure I had a flat surface for a good seal. Good to know on the splitting though :)
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Re: CARB Gas Cans Suck
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2016, 12:36:02 AM »
Chainsaw gas now resides in used up coleman white gas cans. So much better.
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Re: CARB Gas Cans Suck
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2016, 07:44:53 AM »
For chainsaws and other carry-able small engine implements my trail crew uses MSR white gas canisters. Of course at some point you have to pour gas into them from something else so the main benefit of them is convenience in the field. 

I have a perfectly functional plastic can (from that good company that was driven out of business) so I guess I better hold on to it, from what you guys are saying.
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Re: CARB Gas Cans Suck
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2016, 09:17:46 AM »
I've had good luck using Just Rite cans. Not cheap, but work great.

http://www.justritemfg.com/products/safety-cans-and-containers/type-ii-accuflow-steel-safety-cans/

http://www.amazon.com/Justrite-7250130-Galvanized-AccuFlow-Hazardous/dp/B003FZB3N0

Hmm. If I ever see the 2.5 gal size of those as a lightning deal or something, I might have to pick one up. I have a little plastic 2.5 gallon plastic one now that I transfer fuel from the 5 gallon cans to just for ease of use and because if my 90 year old dad needs to put gas in something, he can't lift the 5 gallon cans anymore. Don't know that I'd pay full price for one though. Fifty bucks - yikes!
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Re: CARB Gas Cans Suck
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2016, 09:58:33 AM »
I was able to strip the guts out of the @#&%@$' spouts.  I too drilled a vent hole in the container.  Two actually.  I use golf tees to plug the vent holes so it won't splash to and from the gas station.  I use a rubber cane tip on the spout for the same reason and to prevent evaporation.
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Re: CARB Gas Cans Suck
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2016, 11:07:56 AM »
Chainsaw gas now resides in used up coleman white gas cans. So much better.
just like the metal cans I remember as a kid.
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Re: CARB Gas Cans Suck
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2016, 05:14:29 PM »
It is my understanding that the whole reason for the EPA mandated bastardization of small gas cans was to keep the evil fumes from getting out.
Where the hell do those morons think the fumes are going to go?
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Re: CARB Gas Cans Suck
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2016, 09:53:37 PM »
I hadn't been shopping for gas cans in a while so when I bought one recently I was first shocked at the price, then baffled that they had designed it to keep you from pouring gas in to a lawn mower.  In a cruel coincidence, that happened to be the reason I bought it.  So thanks for the link to a useful nozzle. A cheap plastic gas can now costs almost thirty bucks to use, but at least I will be able to use it.

Price is because of idiots not understanding what flammable means and their ambulance chasing lawyers suing the *expletive deleted*it out of the largest gasoline can maker (enough to shut it down for good.) The insurance for the other makers must be through the roof.  For the spout you can thank the California Air Resources Board (CARB) for that piece of *expletive deleted*it as they came up with it first and then the US EPA couldn't be out done in stupidity and mandated for the rest of the country.
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Re: CARB Gas Cans Suck
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2016, 10:43:16 PM »
Company A needs to produce "chemically resistant plastic storage vessels" while company B produces "chemically ressistant spjgots."
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Re: CARB Gas Cans Suck
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2016, 10:46:38 PM »
Company A needs to produce "chemically resistant plastic storage vessels" while company B produces "chemically ressistant spjgots."

That's basically what most of these guys are doing. Their water and gas cans are made out of the same plastic, but the "water" cans have a normal spigot (or you can buy one for your "water can"). Hence all the water jokes in the various Amazon reviews. :)
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Re: CARB Gas Cans Suck
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2016, 11:09:55 AM »
For chainsaws and other carry-able small engine implements my trail crew uses MSR white gas canisters. Of course at some point you have to pour gas into them from something else so the main benefit of them is convenience in the field. 

I have a perfectly functional plastic can (from that good company that was driven out of business) so I guess I better hold on to it, from what you guys are saying.

That's what we used for backpacking saws. Works great for the smaller saws. For the 70cc and up they didn't do so well. If I remember correctly, my saw could only get one full tank out of one of those bottles and a full tank would only last maybe 30 minutes of sawing.

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Re: CARB Gas Cans Suck
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2016, 11:49:06 AM »
The compliant containers are pure environmental brilliance. Now, instead of a little free vapor, I spill atleast 2 liters of fuel while trying to dispense.
I've modified mine enough to get by on until I can gradually move to the good metal jerry cans.
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Re: CARB Gas Cans Suck
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2016, 12:30:31 PM »
That's basically what most of these guys are doing. Their water and gas cans are made out of the same plastic, but the "water" cans have a normal spigot (or you can buy one for your "water can"). Hence all the water jokes in the various Amazon reviews. :)

It's worth noting that, in a truly "Atlas Shrugged" kind of moment, it's also unlawful to put gasoline into a "water" container.  Or indeed any container not designed to be a gas can.

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Re: CARB Gas Cans Suck
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2016, 01:03:07 PM »
It's worth noting that, in a truly "Atlas Shrugged" kind of moment, it's also unlawful to put gasoline into a "water" container.  Or indeed any container not designed to be a gas can.

Our rulers best be content with these "water" cans as fuel storage, lest folk start filling up glass containers and using a rag as a stopper in a fit of pique.
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Re: CARB Gas Cans Suck
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2016, 02:54:31 PM »
I was able to strip the guts out of the @#&%@$' spouts.  I too drilled a vent hole in the container.  Two actually.  I use golf tees to plug the vent holes so it won't splash to and from the gas station.  I use a rubber cane tip on the spout for the same reason and to prevent evaporation.

Gut a tire valve stem and install it as the vent.  That way you have a nice tight screw cap to fit it.
And I guess if you're feeling super redneck, you could clamp on a Schrader chuck and use 120PSI air to make the can pour even faster.

It's worth noting that, in a truly "Atlas Shrugged" kind of moment, it's also unlawful to put gasoline into a "water" container.  Or indeed any container not designed to be a gas can.

Which is why I always have at least one real gas can to use at the station.  What the gas goes into after it leaves is none of their business.  (Plus I figure the kerosene cans in the garage are lower theft risk, since not too many people have need of 5-20 gallons of kerosene.)  I did at one point buy some premixed "long life" chainsaw gas in a quart can when I didn't have a gas can with me, and I keep the can around as it's a good size to mix gas/oil for the chainsaw or weedeater without having to dedicate a full gallon at a time.  Would also make a good "emergency backup" size for a motorcycle if I had one.

(And to its credit, the long life gas sat in the saw for several months and started right back up with little extra effort, so it's probably worth whatever I paid for it just in not having to clean and/or rebuild the carb yet again.)

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Re: CARB Gas Cans Suck
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2016, 09:41:15 PM »
http://www.lexingtoncontainercompany.com/Nato-Jerry-Cans.html
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Re: CARB Gas Cans Suck
« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2016, 10:54:38 PM »
I'd gutted a few of the CARB spouts, then ran across the EZ Flow spouts.

There aren't cheap, it's going to cost about $65 to upgrade all our cans but worth it to have good spouts & vents.