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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2018, 02:30:52 PM »
And now this:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/02/20/liberals-embrace-idea-of-banks-and-credit-card-cos-cutting-off-gun-dealers/

Not the first time they've tried stuff like this.

I'm not sure if banks want to lose the business of ~40% of the country and open themselves up to obvious competition.

But, hey, knock yourself out, leftists.
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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2018, 02:34:31 PM »
Not the first time they've tried stuff like this.

I'm not sure if banks want to lose the business of ~40% of the country and open themselves up to obvious competition.

But, hey, knock yourself out, leftists.

Though I recall last time it was some banks misinterpreting (knowingly or unknowingly) legislation aimed at drug cartels and organized crime.

This includes a call for Amazon, etc. to pressure banks into doing it or losing their business. I don't know that those giant tech companies would wade into this in that manner, but the idea of having them do so is a dangerous, dangerous precedent.
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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2018, 03:04:25 PM »
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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2018, 04:02:32 PM »
And now this:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/02/20/liberals-embrace-idea-of-banks-and-credit-card-cos-cutting-off-gun-dealers/

Sometimes, I wonder how people can see no further than the end of their nose...

Let's allow the banks to make decisions on what legal purchases can and cannot be made.  Oh, you want to purchase all that junk food?  Nope.  Bad for your health.  You get sick and die, we won't be able to collect on you.  Want to buy that video game system?  Studies show that those games hurt income, so nope.  Birth control?  Nope. 

Yet another reason why I save actual cash to make all of my gun related purchases.  Fewer records.  Fewer nosy people able to see what I've bought.
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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2018, 05:37:57 PM »
I really hope Democrats make gun control a foundation of their mid-term election platform.  If anything will get Trump voters back out to the polls, that will. 

As for Republicans, they have been squishy on ALL issues, not just gun issues.  I can't believe they actually passed the tax cut in December.  I don't think the R's will lose out in the mid-terms, but I still expect Democrats and the press to do all they can to make that happen.
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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2018, 06:17:51 PM »
And a friend just sent me a text that Trump has directed ATF to ban bump stocks and rate increase devices...

It's starting...
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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2018, 06:18:30 PM »
Though I recall last time it was some banks misinterpreting (knowingly or unknowingly) legislation aimed at drug cartels and organized crime.

This includes a call for Amazon, etc. to pressure banks into doing it or losing their business. I don't know that those giant tech companies would wade into this in that manner, but the idea of having them do so is a dangerous, dangerous precedent.

Nope, it was pretty damn deliberate on the part of DOJ and Treasury.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Choke_Point


Interesting tidbit, I hear that the MJ stores in CO, WA, DC, and now CA (and I think the medical ones in other states) do all their business in cash, because the banks won't process checks, credit cards, or debit cards because their business is considered illegal at the Federal level.
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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2018, 06:22:35 PM »
This^
I also suspect some type of community organizing driving it from the shadows.

The Million Mom March has it's hand in the student walkout protests.

And a friend just sent me a text that Trump has directed ATF to ban bump stocks and rate increase devices...

It's starting...

Seen that on Facebook. I'm thinking, really really hoping, he's playing 4D chess with the left. Just like the NRA passed it off to the ATF. Haven't watched the actual video but it sounds like he basically said that he will direct them to ban things that convert semi-autos to full-autos, something that we know is already illegal but the left doesn't.
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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2018, 06:22:53 PM »
And a friend just sent me a text that Trump has directed ATF to ban bump stocks and rate increase devices...

It's starting...

Yup. On the front page of Fox News. If only pro gun legislation moved this fast. I do think, as I mentioned when Vegas happened, that bump stocks were kind of a "gimme". They were doomed anyway, so if that's all that takes a hit, we should breath a sigh of relief. Though I don't think we're done yet.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/20/trump-urges-ban-on-bump-stocks-other-gun-modifiers.html
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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2018, 06:26:53 PM »
Nope, it was pretty damn deliberate on the part of DOJ and Treasury.  


You're right. I just seem to recall that some financial institutions took a more aggressive approach and broader interpretation of who the DOJ "bad guys" were. I recall some gun dealers having to switch services from one financial institution to another.
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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2018, 06:30:04 PM »

I don't understand why that would have some Republicans preparing to cave, or already caving.

Caving is what Republicans do.  It's their most practical skill.
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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2018, 07:32:43 PM »
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/florida-survivors-lawmakers-on-collision-course-over-guns/ar-BBJnRG6?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp

""America is a gun society. That is what made (suspect) Nikolas Cruz seem normal..." :facepalm: Where do they get this bullshit?
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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2018, 07:46:23 PM »
Caving is what Republicans do.  It's their most practical skill.

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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2018, 07:54:49 PM »
Cody Wilson, of 3D printed gun fame, is still being targeted by operation choke point unless Trump put a stop to it.
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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2018, 08:05:49 PM »
I’ll start taking gun control activists seriously the moment they start going after illegal gun sales/purchasing  operations conducted by the US government, government officials, and news agencies  and demand the actors be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2018, 08:16:15 PM »
I know a guy in Connecticut who owns a gun shop. CDNN won't even sell a "high capacity" magazine to him, and they're legal for gun shops. In fact, he may have said that CDNN won't ship any magazines to Connecticut.

What's worse is that I couldn't even find a vendor who would ship me a ten round magazine until I confirmed with Monkeyleg that he would.
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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2018, 08:48:20 PM »
CNN ran with this story about "buying an AR-15 in five minutes", without checking the details of course. Please see "details" in the quote:


https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/02/20/fake-news-20-year-old-who-claims-he-was-able-to-buy-an-ar-15-in-5-minutes-wasnt/

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After he walked me through the paperwork, all five pages of it, I told him I changed my mind and wanted to think more before I bought an AR-15. He told me it wasn’t a problem and listed the store hours if I wanted to come back. I then said thank you and walked back to my car.

Seconds. It took seconds for the salesman to take an AR-15 off the shelf and begin selling it to me. If I had stayed for maybe three minutes longer to fill out less paperwork than I did for the hiring process at my school’s bookstore, I would’ve driven home with an AR-15.

No delay. No extensive background check. Just my recently expired driver’s license, my vehicle registration, and filling out some paperwork.
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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2018, 08:53:55 PM »
Yup, we are seeing a full court press on gun control and I think the GOPe is gonna knuckle under this time and we are going to lose something significant on the federal level.
What is really baffling is that the republicans that cave will likely lose their base and get replaced by democrats making things even worse.
 
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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2018, 09:10:08 PM »
Thank God its not Jeb in office!
 In 1986 GHW Bush was ready to cave on a lot of stuff, gave us fake firearms owners protection act which means NY/NJ can arrest you if your plane gets diverted by accident.

 They always seem to do this to us, Bill Clinton was really into the death penalty - then they use the death penalty against R's with GW for instance.
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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2018, 10:00:29 PM »
CNN ran with this story about "buying an AR-15 in five minutes", without checking the details of course. Please see "details" in the quote:


https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/02/20/fake-news-20-year-old-who-claims-he-was-able-to-buy-an-ar-15-in-5-minutes-wasnt/

I heard that mentioned.  I have a CHL and don't have to do the background check, but it still takes more than 5 minutes to fill out the paperwork, watch them go through their audit process, then get rung up to pay. 
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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2018, 10:03:59 PM »
Yup, we are seeing a full court press on gun control and I think the GOPe is gonna knuckle under this time and we are going to lose something significant on the federal level.
What is really baffling is that the republicans that cave will likely lose their base and get replaced by democrats making things even worse.
 
They managed not to do it after Sandy Hook.  However, they might be more likely with an R in office. 

I think the more time passes, the less support there will be if there really is any now at all.  The media and Dems are just trying to push now while emotions are still high. 
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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2018, 11:26:36 PM »
Caving is what Republicans do.  It's their most practical skill.

They've managed NOT to cave on the gun issue after several other mass shootings, so I still want to know, why should they cave now? No one's put forth a good explanation.
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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #48 on: February 21, 2018, 12:22:06 AM »
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Re: The Gun Control Bandwagon
« Reply #49 on: February 21, 2018, 08:48:23 AM »
https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-02-19-its-all-theater-florida-high-school-shooting-survivor-caught-on-video-rehearsing-scripted-lines-coached-by-camera-man.html#

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