More thoughts and prayer hate.

[freakazoid]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/james-gunn-defends-chris-pratt-against-backlash-over-prayer-tweet-for-kevin-smith/ar-BBJCAsk?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp

Kevin Smith apparently had a major heart attack and was sent to the hospital, so Chris Pratt sent him a message talking about how he had been an inspiration for him and that he will be praying for his recovery. The usual people were triggered by that and attacked him for it, because apparently they expect him to actually go in and perform surgery or something himself.

[makattak]

The slowly growing persecution of Christians continues to slowly grow...




(As a note, I'm not whining. We have been told to expect this. And, as other Christians suffer threats to their life (and more than threats), social persecution is not comparable. However, this doesn't bode well for the country.)

[Perd Hapley]

I don't know if this sort of mindless, anti-religious sentiment always qualifies as bigotry. Perhaps sometimes it's just nastiness, and ridiculing people you don't understand.

I also think most of this backlash is really due to the way "thoughts and prayers" became a lazy way for not-so-religious people to speak soothing words in response to a tragedy.

[zxcvbob]

Do Muslim prayers get hated-on too?     Although perhaps Muslims don't say "thoughts and prayers" as a platitude.

[makattak]

I don't know if this sort of mindless, anti-religious sentiment always qualifies as bigotry. Perhaps sometimes it's just nastiness, and ridiculing people you don't understand.

I also think most of this backlash is really due to the way "thoughts and prayers" became a lazy way for not-so-religious people to speak soothing words in response to a tragedy.

I could think that was all it was if it weren't generally accompanied by "Your sky-god isn't doing anything!" and "It's the doctors, not the spaghetti monster, stupid."

[dogmush]

I also think most of this backlash is really due to the way "thoughts and prayers" became a lazy way for not-so-religious people to speak soothing words in response to a tragedy.

I think there's a lot of this.  For myself, I sigh and roll my eyes at a lot of the "thoughts and prayers" I see, because it's coming from people that live a non-religious life.  When I see it from folks I know well enough to know are sincere in their beliefs, even if their beliefs are different than mine I take it in the spirit it is intended.

A lot of politicritters seem to make a show of Christianity without living any of the (even to a casual observer) tenants.  "Thoughts and Prayers" from them are more like empty platitudes.  I tend to treat such with the same contempt as when they posture about gun control.  They are playing a role to serve themselves from other's pain.  Were Harvey Weinstein to offer thoughts and prayers I'd treat it as a bad joke.

I don't know Mr. Pratt's beliefs at all, and he seems to have kept his personal life low on the horizon so I don't know if he deserved ridicule for invoking religion.  Perhaps the commenters are bigots.

[dogmush]

Do Muslim prayers get hated-on too?     Although perhaps Muslims don't say "thoughts and prayers" as a platitude.

Strictly speaking "Allahu Akbar" is a prayer.  Folks don't seem to like that one much.   

[Perd Hapley]

Oh, and what's with sending prayers "to" people? Prayers are traditionally "for" people, and "to" a deity.

[Strings]

The "thoughts and prayers as platitude" isn't just a Christian (or psuedo Christian) thing: pagans do it a LOT

And I eyeroll every single time

[Ben]

I don't know Mr. Pratt's beliefs at all, and he seems to have kept his personal life low on the horizon so I don't know if he deserved ridicule for invoking religion.  Perhaps the commenters are bigots.

I think he's unapologetically Christian, though he doesn't seem to be "in your face" about it - he just doesn't hide it from Hollywood. He's also apparently big into hunting (so I assume guns) and doesn't hide that either. I saw he caught a bunch of flak for supporting one of the girl hunters who was getting ostracized on social media not that long ago.

Other than the fact that Mike Irwin doesn't like his acting, he seems to be a pretty good Joe. 

[Perd Hapley]

I don't know Mr. Pratt's beliefs at all, and he seems to have kept his personal life low on the horizon so I don't know if he deserved ridicule for invoking religion.  Perhaps the commenters are bigots.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Pratt#Personal_life

I could think that was all it was if it weren't generally accompanied by "Your sky-god isn't doing anything!" and "It's the doctors, not the spaghetti monster, stupid."

There is that.

[Perd Hapley]

Pratt has also been known to get political.

[grampster]

Do Muslim prayers get hated-on too?     Although perhaps Muslims don't say "thoughts and prayers" as a platitude.

Muslim prayers usually are bang on effective.

[BlueStarLizzard]

Obnoxious platitude, really meaning it, whatever, you still don't need to be nasty because someone said something nice (to you or to someone else)

People in this country seriously just lack good manners.

[freakazoid]

I first started noticing the hate and snide remarks, and it just came pouring out, as soon as the guy shot up the church; the one where a neighbor with an AR15 stopped him. It was like these people were excited that it happened at a church.

[230RN]

I usually use...

"good energy sent" for non mortality issues,

and

"all sympathy and empathy" for the more serious issues.

Not hard and fast rules, variations are possible, and sometimes I pop out with something new.

I have used "thoughts and prayers" myself, though, if I either just woke up or I'm very tired.  I don't see anything wrong with it, regardless of the religious stance of the party sending the message.

Let's face it, even "goodbye" is derived from "G-d be with ye."  Or so I'm told, and nobody gets ruffled over that.

Terry

[Perd Hapley]

Let's face it, even "goodbye" is derived from "G-d be with ye."  Or so I'm told, and nobody gets ruffled over that.

Terry

(Bad words warning)
https://youtu.be/ow6JSv_I1Oo?t=17s

[Hawkmoon]

Oh, and what's with sending prayers "to" people? Prayers are traditionally "for" people, and "to" a deity.

Picky, picky.

And people accuse me of being a grammar Nazi ...





(That said ... you are correct.)

[Perd Hapley]

Picky, picky.

And people accuse me of being a grammar Nazi ...





(That said ... you are correct.)

I don't think it's about grammar. It just means people aren't thinking about what the words mean, because they're (most of time) just nice words to say. They're not intending to actually pray to any god for anything.

[Hawkmoon]

I don't think it's about grammar. It just means people aren't thinking about what the words mean, because they're (most of time) just nice words to say. They're not intending to actually pray to any god for anything.

Understood, Mate, but if people are just going to toss out words, they could at least toss out the correct words.

Personally, I don't like to use the expression "Prayers sent." To me it sounds hollow. Nonetheless, I have a list of people for whom I pray each and every night. Most of them don't know I do it, and probably never will. So be it.

[230RN]

Hawkmoon:

Understood, Mate, but if people are just going to toss out words, they could at least toss out the correct words.

I've been bitching about that for a while, what with the internet's tremendous capacity to promulgate errors.  At least with printed media, the chances are good that an actual paid editor has gone over it.   Otherwise we're headed toward a situation where every word can mean every other word.  Of course, that's an exaggeration for the sake of making a point.

But here I am replicating myself again.

Terry

[zxcvbob]

Hawkmoon:
I've been bitching about that for a while, what with the internet's tremendous capacity to promulgate errors.  At least with printed media, the chances are good that an actual paid editor has gone over it.   Otherwise we're headed toward a situation where every word can mean every other word.

Of course, that's an exaggeration for the sake of making a point.  But I replicate myself.

I think that's called "Humpty-Dumptyism" :)

[230RN]

I think that's called "Humpty-Dumptyism" :)

Yes.  It's organic, of curse.

[lee n. field]

Obnoxious platitude, really meaning it, whatever, you still don't need to be nasty because someone said something nice (to you or to someone else)

People in this country seriously just lack good manners.

I think we're living in an increasingly crass age.  Maybe that's me turning into an old fart.

Re "thoughts and prayers", I only want to say it if I actually will, and I realize I probably won't.  So I don't.

[MechAg94]

I think we're living in an increasingly crass age.  Maybe that's me turning into an old fart.

Re "thoughts and prayers", I only want to say it if I actually will, and I realize I probably won't.  So I don't.

That last is always what trips me up.  I don't like saying I am going to do something and not do it.  I would rather just say something else.