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Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« on: October 30, 2019, 04:04:19 PM »
https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/30/stop-turning-your-yard-into-a-hellscape-for-halloween/



The author makes a good case for (1) not gorifying your yard in the first place, and (2) finding a means to address such displays.

This is in the course of treating the "public" areas as places that should be fit for children, something to which she is especially attuned as the author has small children.

I find her arguments quite lucid. Public displays shouldn't be of a nature that would get them rated "R" if they were in a movie.

Additionally, I have also noted on my own her observation that the "public" areas no longer seem to care that children exist and ought to be sheltered from certain things until they are more mature.

What was surprising to me was the number of comments on the article that called her a "snowflake"... for wanting to shelter her 4 year old. Here I thought the whole reason we mocked "safe spaces" we because adults shouldn't need them- we protect CHILDREN from upsetting things, not adults.

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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2019, 04:28:00 PM »
Children used to attend public executions. They also used to be better behaved...

That being said, people take Halloween decorations too far these days. Not only in the extreme goriness but also just the excessive amount and tackiness. 
Some Jack-o'-lanterns, spider webs, and maybe tomb stones is plenty.  :old:
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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2019, 05:01:33 PM »
I'm sorry but no.  Just no. She can take her statisim and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.  Next thing you know we're forbidding women from wearing skirts or low cut shirts because the children.  Or whatever the cause of the day is.
She can *expletive deleted*ck right off now.
Yes, I'm aware she's claiming she doesn't support having public displays regulated.
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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2019, 05:29:16 PM »
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They should not be forced to hide in their homes for eight weeks while all the demented people desecrate the streets.

This is the part that gets me. Celebrating a holiday a month (much less two months) early just ruins it.
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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2019, 05:37:50 PM »
This is the part that gets me. Celebrating a holiday a month (much less two months) early just ruins it.

Local shops have had Christmas decorations up for a couple of weeks now.
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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2019, 06:04:53 PM »
Local shops have had Christmas decorations up for a couple of weeks now.


A couple of weeks??? I've been seeing them since August, which I think is the earliest yet. It's getting ridiculous. I only half kid that there should be a law that Christmas advertising can't start till the day after Tday. To me, starting any holidays so far out just ruins them.
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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2019, 06:14:00 PM »
A couple of weeks??? I've been seeing them since August, which I think is the earliest yet.

Two weeks ago is when I first noticed.  Might have been longer.

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It's getting ridiculous. I only half kid that there should be a law that Christmas advertising can't start till the day after Tday.

Ben, I'd like you to meet Joy Pullmann ...
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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2019, 06:17:22 PM »
Scary stuff was FUN when I was a youngster - and I mean from kindergarten age on up to finally outgrowing "trick or treat" sometime in grammar school. If some children are getting upset by halloween displays, it's probably because some adult snowflakes are TELLING them they OUGHT to be upset.
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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2019, 06:18:08 PM »
I'm sorry but no.  Just no. She can take her statisim and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.  Next thing you know we're forbidding women from wearing skirts or low cut shirts because the children.  Or whatever the cause of the day is.
She can *expletive deleted*ck right off now.
Yes, I'm aware she's claiming she doesn't support having public displays regulated.


Yea pretty much my reply too.
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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2019, 06:21:36 PM »


Ben, I'd like you to meet Joy Pullmann ...


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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2019, 06:36:00 PM »
Speaking of hellscapes ...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thousands-sign-petition-shut-down-161003483.html

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A haunted house that lasts 10 hours and requires its visitors to fill out a 40-page waver is now the subject of a petition calling it a "torture chamber" that needs to be shut down.

McKamey Manor, which stretches from Summertown, Tenn., to Huntsville, Ala., has drawn national interest for years due to its extreme conditions: Attendees can reportedly be subjected to having their fingernails pulled off or even getting a tattoo, according to one volunteer employee.
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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2019, 06:37:15 PM »
I'm sorry but no.  Just no. She can take her statisim and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.  Next thing you know we're forbidding women from wearing skirts or low cut shirts because the children.  Or whatever the cause of the day is.
She can *expletive deleted*ck right off now.
Yes, I'm aware she's claiming she doesn't support having public displays regulated.


So, you're ok with me screening a porno on the side of my house across from your children playing?

Or are the statist jackboots ok there, so long as we're going to make claims about any censorship leads to burkhas?
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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2019, 07:19:05 PM »
So, you're ok with me screening a porno on the side of my house across from your children playing?

Or are the statist jackboots ok there, so long as we're going to make claims about any censorship leads to burkhas?

That's not ok now, that's for ten years from now.
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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2019, 07:30:12 PM »
I think it can be pointed out that some things are in poor taste without being a statist.

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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2019, 08:52:25 PM »
So, you're ok with me screening a porno on the side of my house across from your children playing?

Or are the statist jackboots ok there, so long as we're going to make claims about any censorship leads to burkhas?

Porno is already covered by existing law

https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-federal-law-obscenity

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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2019, 08:53:56 PM »
So, you're ok with me screening a porno on the side of my house across from your children playing?

Or are the statist jackboots ok there, so long as we're going to make claims about any censorship leads to burkhas?

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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2019, 09:51:02 PM »
Scary stuff was FUN when I was a youngster - and I mean from kindergarten age on up to finally outgrowing "trick or treat" sometime in grammar school. If some children are getting upset by halloween displays, it's probably because some adult snowflakes are TELLING them they OUGHT to be upset.
There is a lot of that these days, but it isn't all that new.  Busy bodies trying to tell others what to do or what they ought think have been around for a long time.  The sad part is people on the internet agreeing with them and companies thinking those people matter.
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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2019, 12:24:09 AM »
I think it can be pointed out that some things are in poor taste without being a statist.

Some snowflake libertarians can't handle it.
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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2019, 12:51:39 AM »
First, let's not loose sight of the fact that this is a woman who makes her living by the column inch finding something to write about this week.  Her livelyhood is literally predicated on having opinions that are galvanizing enough people will read them.  So perhaps "hellscape" is a bit of a stretched metaphor.

One of the issues of living in close proximity with other people is that not everyone shares your sensibilities.  There is absolutely a place for a community to say "ehh, that's a bit much.  Please take it down".  Unfortunately we have, in large part at the insistence of folks like Mrs. Pullmann, removed "the community"'s ability to do that.  You are Racist, or micro-aggressing, or not welcoming, or fillintheblankphobe, or just a big meanie if you try (unless you are trying to restrict something on the "approved list of NAZI dog whistles").  SO our choices are now, realistically, deal with it, or make .gov do it, with the fines, prison, and men with guns.  There's no middle ground of mores anymore.

Given those choices, I have to disagree with Mrs. Pullmann.  I'm unwilling to send people with guns to enforce Halloween decoration rules, and so I'm unwilling to entertain the idea of trying to regulate them.  Her complaint that it "should happen at less than big government level" is irrelevant, because we have dismantled the apparatus that used to do that.  Even just zoning laws and codes end up with the use of force.  The most cursory Google will find stories of people being evicted, forcibly, and their homes seized over thousands of dollars in fines that go back to lawn mowing codes.  Not to mention our quarterly rant on all things HOA related.

What she needs to do is move out of the "diverse" town she lives in and find a community with folks that agree with her sensibilities on public displays.  Then she wouldn't have to worry about this.


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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2019, 01:31:47 AM »
People used to come from neighborhoods away to see us at Halloween. Mom made a mean witch. Dad, my big, grey dog and I provided support ambiance.
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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2019, 07:02:42 AM »
There is absolutely a place for a community to say "ehh, that's a bit much.  Please take it down".
Or even "I'd appreciate if you'd take that down."  Or just "I don't care for that."

SO our choices are now, realistically, deal with it, or make .gov do it, with the fines, prison, and men with guns.  There's no middle ground of mores anymore.
That's not true.  One can still politely express disapproval to one's neighbor.  Yes, it might mean you don't get invited to their next barbecue, and you may not feel that complaining to them is worth the trouble or social blowback, but it's the proper and non-governmental way of trying to convince them not do to that thing they are doing that you don't like.  You may also have to listen to them complaining that your hedges need trimming or whatever your neighborly failures may be.

Given those choices, I have to disagree with Mrs. Pullmann.
Given that false dichotomy I would be on your side.

I'm unwilling to send people with guns to enforce Halloween decoration rules, and so I'm unwilling to entertain the idea of trying to regulate them.
Government regulation of Halloween decorations (outside of maybe some real extreme fringe cases) should absolutely not be on the table.  Fist bump!

Her complaint that it "should happen at less than big government level" is irrelevant, because we have dismantled the apparatus that used to do that.  Even just zoning laws and codes end up with the use of force.  The most cursory Google will find stories of people being evicted, forcibly, and their homes seized over thousands of dollars in fines that go back to lawn mowing codes.  Not to mention our quarterly rant on all things HOA related.
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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2019, 07:34:06 AM »
Good lord... VERY surprised at this from a freaking right leaning commentator.

And regarding holiday run up times...

Three days ago I saw the first Christmas commercial, for Jimmy Dean sausage.
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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2019, 08:30:30 AM »
That's what he's saying.



and we don't need any more laws telling us what is acceptable behavior or not either
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Re: Stop Turning Your Yard into a Hellscape for Halloween
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2019, 09:34:41 AM »
If you live in a city... hell, if you live within sight of anyone... at some point one of those neighbors is gonna do something you don't agree with. It's one of those unwritten understandings of life. Encouraging legal ways to enforce your views on your neighbor is to encourage legal ways for your neighbor to enforce their views on you. Being a *expletive deleted*che about it only ups the probability that the law of unintended consequences will end up biting you. Hard.

The decorations might be an eyesore but they aren't permanent. The decorations are there for a few weeks. The kids are there one night a year and it's one of those things kids can still actually enjoy. My neighbor puts up the most gawdawfully tacky display you've ever seen. Kids come from all over the city by the hundreds to see it. It looks hideous and the street is unpassable for a couple of hours. Does it irritate the crap out of everyone on the block? Yes, but he doesn't encroach on anyone else and we can see the kids are having a ball so we accept it as part of "living in the city". We used to have a neighbor who would go on ranting fits about it but he was an irritable old bastard about everything and everyone anyway. No one shed a tear when he moved.

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