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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #250 on: August 31, 2023, 10:54:08 AM »
What's the expected turn around of which-ever form for a suppressor using an outfit like Silencer Shop?

I'm still considering picking one up for my Ruger American Rimfire.

My 8 month approval was using Silencer Shop.  Once you are set up with them, the fingerprints, photos, and paperwork are all done once and you don't do much of anything after that.  Just set up a username on eForms to sign off on the forms electronically.  Makes it real easy.  I got an email from eForms with the tax stamp paperwork once it was approved.

As others said, it will take time, but don't wait to get the approval started.  22 LR suppressors are great fun.  With a bolt action, you just hear the firing pin hit and the impact on the target.  For me, standard velocity ammo generally stays subsonic. 
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #251 on: September 05, 2023, 03:31:42 PM »
Still waiting on one SBR approval despite both being filed the same evening.  I put an SL-K on the one that was approved (thanks dogmush).
Second one just came through approved.  Almost a two week difference between two registrations the same evening.  Weird.

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #252 on: September 27, 2023, 09:14:45 PM »
These breaking news videos drive me a little nuts, but apparently COB this Friday is going to be a critical date on whether a nationwide injunction will be ordered or not and also if the FPC, et. al. injunction will continue or not if no nationwide is ordered.

https://youtu.be/WVieuQrcs3s
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #253 on: October 03, 2023, 05:10:34 PM »
So the first FPC injunction (60 days) ended on Saturday. As of today, the 5th Circuit has reinstated the injunction, just for FPC and Maxim, but in perpetuity. It's expected that a second case will do the same for GOA members.

Apparently the judge did not make it nationwide because there is a separate case specifically addressing a nationwide injunction, and he didn't want to expand the scope of this one, giving the DOJ ammo against us.

https://youtu.be/L4QFgS6zJL4

It was also interesting that the judge defended braces as "safety devices".

This video suggests that SBRs as NFA items could disappear, and you'll buy one at the gun store just like any other rifle:

https://youtu.be/7a5ec1grghk
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #254 on: April 02, 2024, 02:58:19 PM »
I haven't heard anything on this for a while, but apparently SB Tactical is expecting a big loss for the ATF and they have just dropped a new brace - their SBA5. I'm still not altogether sure that it's not an April Fools thing. :laugh:

https://youtu.be/0Km9bZQY0rk
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #255 on: April 02, 2024, 03:15:44 PM »
I haven't heard anything on this for a while, but apparently SB Tactical is expecting a big loss for the ATF and they have just dropped a new brace - their SBA5. I'm still not altogether sure that it's not an April Fools thing. :laugh:

https://youtu.be/0Km9bZQY0rk
I notice that the guy in the link has put the brace on a full sized rifle, not a pistol with a short barrel. So the rifle - which looks like it comfortably remains over the SBR threshold for OAL - stays a rifle.
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #256 on: April 02, 2024, 03:40:59 PM »
I notice that the guy in the link has put the brace on a full sized rifle, not a pistol with a short barrel. So the rifle - which looks like it comfortably remains over the SBR threshold for OAL - stays a rifle.

That's a Foxtrot Mike Gen 2 12.3" pistol.  Even if that KeyMo brake is pinned and welded it ain't 16".

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #257 on: April 02, 2024, 03:43:59 PM »
Yeah, looked a bit short for a 16" to me.
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #258 on: April 02, 2024, 04:23:21 PM »
In truth, I think it's great that the pistol "brace" market has so normalized SBR length barrels on ARs that in media and pics a lot of folks think that 12.5"-14.5" is the "normal" length for an AR Rifle.

Common Use indeed.

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #259 on: April 03, 2024, 09:21:52 AM »
https://www.newsweek.com/democrat-judge-exempts-nra-members-new-gun-rule-1886261

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #260 on: April 03, 2024, 09:26:04 AM »
https://www.newsweek.com/democrat-judge-exempts-nra-members-new-gun-rule-1886261

Is it too late to join the NRA again? Major ruling against the ATF.

Join the Firearms Policy Coalition instead. You will be retroactively protected by a much better organization (disgruntled NRA Endowment Member here).
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #261 on: April 03, 2024, 10:30:01 AM »
Join the Firearms Policy Coalition instead. You will be retroactively protected by a much better organization (disgruntled NRA Endowment Member here).

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I joined FPC and still give money to GOA on occasion. My Lifetime NRA (I never fell for the upgrade) just kind of sits there. Maybe with Wayne gone things will get better as far as optics but I will probably make the celestial transfer before that happens.

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #262 on: April 03, 2024, 10:35:57 AM »
Maybe with Wayne gone things will get better as far as optics but I will probably make the celestial transfer before that happens.
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Given that the board gave Wayne a multi-million dollar "consulting" gig like five minutes after he left, I do not have high hopes. Seems like the entire board and most of upper management need to take a hike, but for the board at least, they keep getting voted back in.
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #263 on: January 10, 2025, 06:15:49 PM »
Guns & Gadgets is saying the ATF is ignoring the injunction basically thumbing their nose at it saying if it has a brace and a less than 16" barrel it is an SBR

BREAKING NEWS: ATF Reinstituting The Pistol Brace Ban?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr9ZWE_kDg4
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #264 on: January 10, 2025, 06:43:13 PM »
ATF is ignoring the injunction ... saying if it has a brace and a less than 16" barrel it is an SBR
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Even the "defiant" CA AG Bonta huffed and puffed but under Boland/Renna preliminary injunctions, ultimately had to comply by allowing addition of new pistols to CA handgun roster - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1459598#msg1459598

With new POTUS preparing to appoint new director, latest "determination" by ATF is like "Our last stand in protest before you undo all the anti-2A work we have done the past four years" ... Followed by < Insert sound A-10 Warthog makes firing "Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrt" to destroy targets > =D

Latest "determination" is likely to survive only for 10 days and it will be a blip in the radar to become no more - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1458265#msg1458265

What Trump thinks of ATF ignoring court injunctions ...

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #265 on: January 11, 2025, 06:40:40 AM »
ATF is ignoring the injunction ... saying if it has a brace and a less than 16" barrel it is an SBR
Even the "defiant" CA AG Bonta huffed and puffed but under Boland/Renna preliminary injunctions, ultimately had to comply by allowing addition of new pistols to CA handgun roster
Erich Pratt, Senior VP of GOA sent a demand letter to ATF with response date of 1/14/25 - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1460791#msg1460791

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #266 on: January 11, 2025, 10:40:30 AM »
Given the history of the BATFe...
 
It needs the same treatment as the Dept. of Ed...
 
Take the labs/lab personnel, roll them into whatever survives in the FBI...
 
And... Go through the rest of the .gov bureaucracies, and figure out how many others have "lab" type stuff going on.
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #267 on: January 11, 2025, 12:03:23 PM »
Given the history of the BATFe...
 
It needs the same treatment as the Dept. of Ed...
 
Take the labs/lab personnel, roll them into whatever survives in the FBI...
 
And... Go through the rest of the .gov bureaucracies, and figure out how many others have "lab" type stuff going on.

The last 10 or 15 years have really made me question the need for ANY Federal Law Enforcement  beyond maybe the US Marshall's.

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #268 on: January 11, 2025, 02:05:26 PM »
The last 10 or 15 years have really made me question the need for ANY Federal Law Enforcement  beyond maybe the US Marshall's.
The original idea/fear that national police will become secret police and a weapon for totalitarian control has certainly been brought to life. 
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« Reply #269 on: January 11, 2025, 02:26:17 PM »
The original idea/fear that national police will become secret police and a weapon for totalitarian control has certainly been brought to life.

Indeed. I will be interested to see what, if any, long-lasting changes occur in the next four years. I see that Tulsi Gabbard has already been convinced that FISA, with the current changes, is okie doke. I don't think she's happy about it, but it appears to be a concession she made to get other things changed.

This always seems to be the way it goes - people go in with the best of intent and a line in the sand, but the line always moves. I don't know - maybe classified briefings she has received made a good case for her to adjust her view.
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #270 on: January 12, 2025, 02:02:47 AM »
The last 10 or 15 years have really made me question the need for ANY Federal Law Enforcement  beyond maybe the US Marshall's.

Especially when you realize that agencies like HUD and the Department of Education have LEO personnel and SWAT teams.
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #271 on: January 14, 2025, 04:04:41 PM »
From 2A/ATF thread - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1461228#msg1461228

ATF is ignoring the injunction ... saying if it has a brace and a less than 16" barrel it is an SBR
Even the "defiant" CA AG Bonta huffed and puffed but under Boland/Renna preliminary injunctions, ultimately had to comply by allowing addition of new pistols to CA handgun roster
Erich Pratt, Senior VP of GOA sent a demand letter to ATF with response date of 1/14/25 - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1460791#msg1460791

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And ATF "begrudgingly" complies. :rofl:

"US District Court ... stayed the Final Rule ... While the appeal is pending, ATF is complying with the Court's order"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

... latest "determination" by ATF is like "Our last stand in protest before you undo all the anti-2A work we have done the past four years" ... Followed by < Insert sound A-10 Warthog makes firing "Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrt" to destroy targets > =D

Latest "determination" is likely to survive only for 10 days and it will be a blip in the radar to become no more - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1458265#msg1458265
ATF's last stand only lasted 4 days and I think I heard "Brrrrrrrrrrrrrt". =D

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #272 on: January 14, 2025, 04:39:33 PM »
We wouldn't even be talking about this is a gun owner hadn't asked the ATF a question....really why poke the bear, the injunction is in place you don't need to go asking questions.

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #273 on: January 14, 2025, 04:49:55 PM »
We wouldn't even be talking about this is a gun owner hadn't asked the ATF a question....really why poke the bear, the injunction is in place you don't need to go asking questions.

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Probably time to post this again:

https://youtu.be/c8Z-lZR4hrs?t=57

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #274 on: January 14, 2025, 05:07:26 PM »
Probably time to post this again:

https://youtu.be/c8Z-lZR4hrs?t=57

Don't do that plus stay away from the core worlds. Out on the edge ain't no feds to check if you have a brace or a stock.
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