Author Topic: More MS update follies (Read 9567 times)

WLJ · « **Reply #50 on:** July 01, 2024, 01:49:00 PM »

To update the above
After the last rounds of updates I noticed my main system became sluggish and took forever to find the internet after a restart. To rule out something I or a software package did I did a clean install and after all the latest updates installed it was back to feeling sluggish and taking forever to find the internet. Okay MS you broke something AGAIN.
Said screw 11 for now and reinstalled 10. 11 would be great if MS would stop coming up with new features to add that break stuff and their fixes then often break something else.

Just stop it MS, get 11 running problem free then LEAVE IT ALONE! Yes continue putting out sec patches but otherwise Stop changing *expletive deleted*it! Grrrrr

JTHunter · « **Reply #51 on:** July 01, 2024, 11:05:02 PM »

WLJ - I keep telling people that if this Win. 7 doesn't die before I do, my next build will be some version (TBD later) of Linux. This was custom built for me over 12 years ago and is still running and has never been in the shop.
However, this past winter, the 1 TB HD was making some "whining noises" on start up. Now that the weather is warmer, those noises have stopped but I'm worried that the platters or spindle in this HD may be running out of "lubrication". The problem is I have no alternative and I'm on daily, checking news, markets, and "forums".
And the man that built this system died unexpectedly about 5 years ago. NUTZ !!

lee n. field · « **Reply #52 on:** July 02, 2024, 03:09:30 PM »

Quote from: JTHunter on July 01, 2024, 11:05:02 PM

WLJ - I keep telling people that if this Win. 7 doesn't die before I do, my next build will be some version (TBD later) of Linux. This was custom built for me over 12 years ago and is still running and has never been in the shop.
However, this past winter, the 1 TB HD was making some "whining noises" on start up. Now that the weather is warmer, those noises have stopped but I'm worried that the platters or spindle in this HD may be running out of "lubrication". The problem is I have no alternative and I'm on daily, checking news, markets, and "forums".
And the man that built this system died unexpectedly about 5 years ago. NUTZ !!

Get in BIOS and turn on SMART reporting. If you get a hard drive warning on power on, replace it ASAP*.

(My work computer was an Optiplex 790, made in 2011. On almost continually since, but did go through 3 hard drives.)

(*By ASAP I mean RFN. Do not delay. By the time SMART trips, it's close to done for.)

JTHunter · « **Reply #53 on:** July 02, 2024, 11:19:36 PM »

Quote from: lee n. field on July 02, 2024, 03:09:30 PM

Get in BIOS and turn on SMART reporting. If you get a hard drive warning on power on, replace it ASAP*.

(My work computer was an Optiplex 790, made in 2011. On almost continually since, but did go through 3 hard drives.)

(*By ASAP I mean RFN. Do not delay. By the time SMART trips, it's close to done for.)

Thanks for the tip Lee. My problem is that it has been so long since I've gotten into the "guts" of a system (over 12 years) that I'm not sure HOW to do that or fear that I might screw it up completely.

WLJ · « **Reply #54 on:** July 19, 2024, 08:33:39 AM »

Reason I'm putting this here? Company reported they were applying an update which then propagated through systems worldwide causing chain reaction crashes in computers running Windows. Effecting airports, banks, hospitals especially.
Yeah, an update. Not clear if MS had anything to do with the update yet.

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The technology glitch was caused by a faulty update from CrowdStrike, a U.S. cybersecurity technology company based in Texas, in a single content update for Windows hosts.

It resulted in Windows computers and tablets crashing and displaying a blue screen, known informally as the "Blue Screen of Death." Over half of Fortune 500 companies use CrowdStrike software, the firm said in a promotional video this year.

Global technology outage disrupts major airlines, 911 services and businesses
https://www.foxbusiness.com/fox-news-global-economy/global-technology-outage-disrupts-major-airlines-911-services-businesses

LIVE'The most serious IT outage the world has ever seen': Microsoft meltdown sparks mayhem across the country - bringing planes, trains, boats and even Las Vegas casinos to grinding halt
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13651403/Microsoft-outage-LIVE-airport-worst-affected-tech-crash-thats-stopped-planes-boats-Las-Vegas-casinos.html

WLJ · « **Reply #55 on:** July 19, 2024, 08:53:44 AM »

https://x.com/kaspersky/status/1814227312721768805

MillCreek · « **Reply #56 on:** July 19, 2024, 09:27:32 AM »

The CrowdStrike glitch is impacting hospitals all over the world: electronic medical records are down, call systems are down, imaging equipment is down, ICU monitoring is down, pharmacy is down, etc.. There will probably be some patient deaths due to this.

WLJ · « **Reply #57 on:** July 19, 2024, 09:49:55 AM »

I want to know who wrote that update, MS or Crowdstrike? I would like to think they would test these things in a closed system before pushing it out system wide. It appears they didn't

WLJ · « **Reply #58 on:** July 19, 2024, 09:52:49 AM »

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The defect was uploaded to Crowdstrike's 'Falcon Sensor' software, which analyzes connections to and from the internet to determine if there is malicious behavior.

zxcvbob · « **Reply #59 on:** July 19, 2024, 09:59:48 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p8wTOr8AbU

Angel Eyes · « **Reply #60 on:** July 19, 2024, 10:32:28 AM »

https://x.com/vinceflibustier/status/1814233715641389456

https://x.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1814212729118285962

(to be fair, the latter also describes any day in Oakland)

WLJ · « **Reply #61 on:** July 19, 2024, 11:25:00 AM »

Not the Babylon Bee

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As workers across the world rebound back from a massive Microsoft crash which caused global chaos, Americans remain disappointed as their work computers continue to work perfectly.

Americans share disappointment that huge Microsoft crash didn't affect their work computers
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13651531/Americans-disappointed-huge-Microsoft-crash-online.html

Boomhauer · « **Reply #62 on:** July 19, 2024, 02:50:53 PM »

Quote from: WLJ on July 19, 2024, 11:25:00 AM

Not the Babylon Bee

Americans share disappointment that huge Microsoft crash didn't affect their work computers
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13651531/Americans-disappointed-huge-Microsoft-crash-online.html

Way too many office workers are little bitches.

230RN · « **Reply #63 on:** July 19, 2024, 07:08:57 PM »

I was surprised to see K Frame and JTHunter are still running Win7 just like me. (I think Hawmoon just got off Win7.) I supposedly stopped the Win7 updates a year ago, but they still seemed to slip them in on me. I recently went into "something" deeper and disabled updates completely.

I also run XP on an older desktop computer I just use for storage but has never been (and never will be) connected to the net.

My current Win7 has been slow in loading YouTubes, but I chalked that up to them loading advertising before getting around to the vid I wanted to see. But the net seems normal around here (near Denver). Terry knocks on wood, symbolically throws salt over his shoulder, crosses fingers and toes... Nowadays I frequently do "RESTORE" operations to an older evolutionary stage of Win7.

I recently got a new CHUWI laptop for about $200 just to break into Win11 and I played with it for a while, but now I'm afraid to start it up again, so I'm just keeping the battery charged. I guess it still has its virginity...?

I should call my bank and see if anything's happening, but it'll probably be like airline stewardesses telling you everything is normal even though you just saw a wing fall off.

Terry, 230RN

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #64 on:** July 19, 2024, 07:19:20 PM »

Quote from: 230RN on July 19, 2024, 07:08:57 PM

I should call my bank and see if anything's happening, but it'll probably be like airline stewardesses telling you everything is normal even though you just saw a wing fall off.

It's not like it's ship, ya know ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM

230RN · « **Reply #65 on:** July 19, 2024, 07:33:22 PM »

Quote from: Hawkmoon on July 19, 2024, 07:19:20 PM

It's not like it's (a) ship, ya know ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM

^ Hilarious. Shades of the infamous "shoulder thing that goes up" remark.

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"What would be a minimum crew?"
"Well, one, I would guess."

"We have an excellent pilot and he's just maneuvering to avoid the SAM coming at us."

Terry, 230RN

REF (I can't quickly find the original interview where that stupid shoulder thing remark occured. I hope they didn't "cleanse" it. Hope this works):

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=shoulder+thing+that+goes+up+video&t=brave&ia=web

Angel Eyes · « **Reply #66 on:** July 19, 2024, 09:13:35 PM »

Analysis of the Crowdstrike glitch:

https://x.com/Perpetualmaniac/status/1814376668095754753

Yup, trying to de-reference a null pointer. I take it no one bothered to test this code.

230RN · « **Reply #67 on:** July 19, 2024, 10:20:15 PM »

I wrote this code so it must be perfect, no need to test it.

I remember my computer teacher in college emphasizing how to test your programming. At my part-time job one of my coworkers had to calculate many many many results from an experiment and since I was taking a computer class, I volunteered to write a class project program to do the figuring. So for the first real program (in Fortran) I wrote, there were five branching points, two of them within another branch, and I laboriously tested every combination of them at my desk by hand.

Perfect !

I submitted it to the school's IBM 1620 computer and it ran perfectly except for one thing. The computer folks said I should have used the line printer for printing instead of the console typewriter and it took a long time but they let it run since it was a class project and it was working correctly anyhow. They said it took about an hour with the console typewriter clickety clacking away.

"PRINT" instead of "LPRINT."

So there went "perfection" in my first real programming effort.

The IBM 1620, an early IBM "office" computer:

Formerly Perfect Terry, 230RN

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #68 on:** July 20, 2024, 12:52:40 AM »

Quote from: Angel Eyes on July 19, 2024, 09:13:35 PM

Analysis of the Crowdstrike glitch:

https://x.com/Perpetualmaniac/status/1814376668095754753

Yup, trying to de-reference a null pointer. I take it no one bothered to test this code.

Yes, definitely Crowdstrike, not Microsoft.

A friend of mine is an IT manager for a major hospital. They were unaffected, which he attributes to their not using Crowdstrike. The university near the hospital, however, does use Crowdstrike, and my friend reported that the university had thousands of computers taken out by the glitch. The hosputal lent much of their IT staff to the university to assist in the recovery effort.

HeroHog · « **Reply #69 on:** July 20, 2024, 11:14:38 PM »

Testing software changes: "It compiles, Ship it!"

RocketMan · « **Reply #70 on:** July 21, 2024, 06:46:53 AM »

Quote from: HeroHog on July 20, 2024, 11:14:38 PM

Testing software changes: "It compiles, Ship it!"

Sounds about right.

JTHunter · « **Reply #71 on:** July 21, 2024, 10:21:40 PM »

Quote from: 230RN on July 19, 2024, 07:33:22 PM

^ Hilarious. Shades of the infamous "shoulder thing that goes up" remark.

"We have an excellent pilot and he's just maneuvering to avoid the SAM coming at us."

Terry, 230RN

REF (I can't quickly find the original interview where that stupid shoulder thing remark occured. I hope they didn't "cleanse" it. Hope this works):

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=shoulder+thing+that+goes+up+video&t=brave&ia=web

Found it. Item #1.
https://www.outdoorhub.com/stories/2016/01/07/5-embarrassing-gun-quotes-politicians/

K Frame · « **Reply #72 on:** July 23, 2024, 07:34:02 PM »

"I was surprised to see K Frame and JTHunter are still running Win7 just like me."

Well, I'm running 7 on my desktop in my office upstairs, but my laptop, which I have set up in my dining room, is running Windows 11.

WLJ · « **Reply #73 on:** July 25, 2024, 12:29:08 PM »

Quote from: WLJ on July 01, 2024, 01:49:00 PM

To update the above
After the last rounds of updates I noticed my main system became sluggish and took forever to find the internet after a restart. To rule out something I or a software package did I did a clean install and after all the latest updates installed it was back to feeling sluggish and taking forever to find the internet. Okay MS you broke something AGAIN.
Said screw 11 for now and reinstalled 10. 11 would be great if MS would stop coming up with new features to add that break stuff and their fixes then often break something else.

Just stop it MS, get 11 running problem free then LEAVE IT ALONE! Yes continue putting out sec patches but otherwise Stop changing *expletive deleted*it! Grrrrr

Alright, reinstalled 11 and noticed the same thing but I think I found out what was causing it. Updated VMWare from 17.0 to 17.5.2 and the problem went away. I guess it was also causing restarts to take forever. Cold boots were fine but restarts were dragging their asre until I updated VMWare. Maybe something in 17.0 it was clashing with an update.

zxcvbob · « **Reply #74 on:** July 25, 2024, 03:12:22 PM »

Quote from: Angel Eyes on July 19, 2024, 09:13:35 PM

Analysis of the Crowdstrike glitch:

https://x.com/Perpetualmaniac/status/1814376668095754753

Yup, trying to de-reference a null pointer. I take it no one bothered to test this code.

You can test and still miss that if the pointer is uninitialized. There are automated code checkers that search for things like that. I can't remember the names. That's actually even more dangerous, if the code dereferences a stale pointer it picked up off the stack that is still valid but points to something unexpected; you can corrupt critical storage and have to reinstall to recover. (BTDT) First time you use a pointer you always check it for null, and you have an exception handler for null pointers everywhere after that.

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Author Topic: More MS update follies (Read 9567 times)