My wife the Viking

[Balog]

There is a world of difference between pagans and Satanists.

[charby]

There is a world of difference between pagans and Satanists.

Yes there is....  I'd break bread with any Pagan

[Tallpine]

Bliadhna math ?r!


Happy (Celtic) New Year! 

[Perd Hapley]

You might be surprised to learn that Sunday is the day of church for Christians because Emperor Constantine wanted to convert his soldiers to Christianity. The soldiers traditionally worshiped the Sun on Sundays, so Constantine absorbed a pagan worship to strengthen the Christian worship. 

There may be a grain of truth there, but you are really stretching it.  We worship on Sunday because Christ rose from the dead on that day.  Christians began meeting on Sundays long before Constantine.   

[RevDisk]

WHERE ARE ALL OF THE PICTURES??

Sorry about that, no photos.  Cameras are kinda frowned upon under certain circumstances.  Sides, I don't think my camera would have survived. 

On the plus side, my boss gave me off yesterday and today for 'religious observation' instead of vacation time.   (In fairness, I do usually work every other religion's major holidays.  ALL of 'em.)   

There is a world of difference between pagans and Satanists.

 
Yea, pagans know how to throw a better party.  Plus we have other colours in our wardrobe besides black and red.

[Perd Hapley]

There is a world of difference between pagans and Satanists.

 
Yea, pagans know how to throw a better party.  Plus we have other colours in our wardrobe besides black and red. 

Oooh, yeth.  Greenth, brownth.  Nithe Earth toneth.   

[Euclidean]

There may be a grain of truth there, but you are really stretching it.  We worship on Sunday because Christ rose from the dead on that day.  Christians began meeting on Sundays long before Constantine.   

Agree and yet also disagree.

Then why do Orthodox Jews and Seventh Day Adventists (I think) consider the Sabbath day to be Saturday?  Is that not the actual 7th day of the week?  Last time I checked God rested on the seventh day, not the first (Sunday).  Are these traditions not fairly long withstanding in and of themselves?

Granted I will give you that distinction is arbitrary, as we could arrange our calendar differently or recite the days of the week with different terminal points so long as we kept the same order.

On top of that, yes we observe the crucifixition and subsequent resurrection on a Friday/Sunday, but do we really have any proof that it happened on a Friday/Sunday?  Why not a Monday/Wednesday?  Is it any less amazing or meaningful that way?

Edit:  actually we do, but the point still stands that it's no less meaningful.  Sorry I'm tired after work and class.  My bad, but I'll leave my mistake in here and own up to it.

It reminds me slightly of people who swear that Jesus Christ was on born December 25, 0000.  If you dare suggest it could have been any time during the census, you are a heretic.

I quite frankly think that it's the spirit of the thing that matters here and not the actual mechanics of it.  I dare say the dates/days of the week we choose have to do with convenience and tradition (as fistful points out, obliquely) than any sort of true historical accuracy.

[De Selby]

Then why do Orthodox Jews

Please note that Muslims and Jews do not use a solar calendar for religious purposes-it is lunar, and with Islam, the day begins at sundown, not sun-up (I believe it is the same for Jews, but I'm not sure.)

[Euclidean]

I didn't know that.  I always thought Jewish practicioners went to temple and other services on Saturdays.  Thank you shootinstudent.

[Len Budney]

There may be a grain of truth there, but you are really stretching it.  We worship on Sunday because Christ rose from the dead on that day.  Christians began meeting on Sundays long before Constantine.   

I think that was a back-justification. The earliest believers were Jewish, and they still attended synagogue on Saturday, and many observed the Sabbath. Sunday was a logical day for the Nazarenes to meet with each other.

--Len.

[De Selby]

I didn't know that.  I always thought Jewish practicioners went to temple and other services on Saturdays.  Thank you shootinstudent.

I believe they do-but saturday starts at sundown on Friday.  In Islam, Friday is the required day for prayers at the Masjid.

[Perd Hapley]

There may be a grain of truth there, but you are really stretching it.  We worship on Sunday because Christ rose from the dead on that day.  Christians began meeting on Sundays long before Constantine.   

I think that was a back-justification. The earliest believers were Jewish, and they still attended synagogue on Saturday, and many observed the Sabbath. Sunday was a logical day for the Nazarenes to meet with each other. 

That may be.  However, the New Testament records that the disciples were together on "the first day of the week," when the risen Christ first appeared to them (after appearing to some of the women and a couple of men on the road, earlier).  I think there may be other references to Sunday meetings in the NT.  I may look them up later.

Euclid, the Jews certainly hold Saturday to be the Sabbath.  That doesn't mean that Christians couldn't and didn't begin to celebrate a different kind of Sabbath on a different day of the week.  The letter to the Hebrews would seem to apply.   

[Marnoot]

There may be a grain of truth there, but you are really stretching it.  We worship on Sunday because Christ rose from the dead on that day.  Christians began meeting on Sundays long before Constantine.   

I think that was a back-justification. The earliest believers were Jewish, and they still attended synagogue on Saturday, and many observed the Sabbath. Sunday was a logical day for the Nazarenes to meet with each other. 

I think there may be other references to Sunday meetings in the NT.  I may look them up later.

Acts 20:7 is another one:

"And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight."

[Perd Hapley]

Is that where the kid falls out of the window and dies?  Long, fatally boring sermons.  Another grand Christian tradition that goes ALL the way back. 


Don't worry, folks.  The kid is brought back to life.   

[Len Budney]

No question they met on Sunday--though it's interesting that they were together on the first day of the week before they knew Christ had risen. 

Paul at least was busy on Saturdays, preaching in the synagogues. (Acts 9:20, 13:5)

--Len.

[Marnoot]

Is that where the kid falls out of the window and dies?  Long, fatally boring sermons.  Another grand Christian tradition that goes ALL the way back. 

Don't worry, folks.  The kid is brought back to life.   

That it is! 

And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.

I should be more grateful sometimes that my church building doesn't have high-elevation seats...