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The Roundtable / Re: Dune
« Last post by cordex on May 16, 2024, 06:03:52 AM »
Let us all just hope that Disney does not get ahold of this.
Why?  You like Dune … Disney will give you Dune. 18 live action movies,  12 live action shows, 36 animated shows, all with completely fresh perspectives on what the plot should be untainted by knowledge of the original books and with a new and modern social message.
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Politics / Re: Israel Under Attack
« Last post by dogmush on May 16, 2024, 05:47:36 AM »
Excellent point. Do you support the right of Russia to hold that land and expel or exterminate Ukrainians on the basis of Russian historical claims to it?

The entire world let it happen with nary a peep.  Some strongly worded letters to the UN. Hardly "generally recognised as tyrannical and evil"
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The Roundtable / Re: Dune
« Last post by Doggy Daddy on May 16, 2024, 01:18:23 AM »
Let us all just hope that Disney does not get ahold of this.
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Politics / Re: Biden showing more symptoms . . .
« Last post by HankB on May 16, 2024, 12:01:34 AM »
I think they want to get it over with early, so by autumn it's a distant memory. That way, Biden can't be accused of being afraid to debate.

Also, they'll claim Trump was a big meanie in debate one, as a pretext to forego any future debates.

Malarkey Joe is hot-tempered. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump made him angry enough to goad him into rage-quitting mid-debate, or some other embarrassing behavior.
The first debate is on CNN, "moderated" by two of that network's talking heads that have each compared Trump to Hitler.

The second debate is on ABC, where Clintonista George Stephanopoulos is part of their "news" operation.

Of course both debates will be conducted in a completely fair and totally impartial manner.

:rofl:
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Politics / Re: Israel Under Attack
« Last post by De Selby on May 15, 2024, 11:43:17 PM »
[Crimia has entered the chat]

Excellent point. Do you support the right of Russia to hold that land and expel or exterminate Ukrainians on the basis of Russian historical claims to it?
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Politics / Re: Israel Under Attack
« Last post by De Selby on May 15, 2024, 11:42:11 PM »
I don’t think I made the argument you think you are addressing. I don’t feel strongly about Jewish history in Israel defining modern Jewish ownership.

You chose an arbitrary start time intended to make the Israelis out to be the aggressors and tried to claim that because the land was taken by force it should be returned. If your standard is that all land taken by force should be returned to its original owners then I’m not sure why you are solely concerned with Israel or who you would consider the original owner.

The assumption you’re making is that there was some continuous presence there that somehow became Israel. Unless you accept the bible as authority, there is absolutely no such presence.

Israel was founded in the 40’s by immigrants from Europe who arrived beginning in the 30’s, and those immigrants dispossessed the native people there. That is what makes Israel the aggressor.

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However, to address your hypothetical, if some group with legends connecting them to my home conquered the US and took it away from me by force, then no, I would have no practical rights except what they gave me. That would suck.  In such a scenario I would hope that I would be able to rebuild in some other place and not just teach my children to detonate a suicide vest in a crowded market, but I guess different brave and beautiful cultures have different priorities.

So you accept the Palestinians right to keep their home, you just don’t accept their tactics? If your neighbours used terrorism to resist a Mexican takeover, I suppose you’d be out there condemning them and offering up your home out of shame?

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That is simply wrong and I’m fairly certain you are aware of it. In addition to the Jews who fled Europe, a significant fraction were ethnically cleansed from essentially all other Middle Eastern countries or fled persecution from same.

I assume you will likewise champion the Jews who were kicked out of Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Egypt, Libya, etc. returning to blow up busses in those countries that mistreated them?
It is not ridiculous for us to keep our land, any more than it is ridiculous for Israelis to keep their land despite Palestinian claims. :)

Jews who were forced out of the US allied gulf states definitely should have the right to return to their homelands. They are not and never have been a significant fraction of the Israeli population, which is almost entirely European immigrants within a single generation (including Russia).

You’ve made a conclusion about Israeli land claims which is directly contradictory to your own views about your rights.

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Politics / Re: Israel Under Attack
« Last post by De Selby on May 15, 2024, 11:35:44 PM »
Wrong war.

It was British land after they defeated the Ottoman forces. After the partitioning of Ottoman, the British 100% had the Mandate for what is now Israel. The League of Nations codified that Mandate after the war, saying that Britain would run it "until it could stand alone" which did not happen in the inter-war years, and after WWII the land was still under the Mandate (British Rule) until the UN formed Israel from British territories.

Yeah, that’s inconsistent with your previous claim. Administering a territory for the benefit of its inhabitants (which is legally what the British claimed to be doing) is not making the natives tenants rather than owners, nor does it grant ownership by conquest.

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The Arabs claiming a nation never had one. That's historical fact. Some of their ancestors lived there, sure (some. There was a LOT of Arab immigration into that land when it became obvious what the UN was planning vis a vis a Jewish State) but it wasn't "theirs".  Just like what is now Alaska was sold by Russia to the US with little concern over the feelings of the Athabaskans.

You are conflating the issue of how a government is established with the rights of native inhabitants. The selling of Alaska didn’t give the United States the right to expel or exterminate the Alaskan tribes.

Expelling or exterminating to make room for your own people was what the Nazis were fighting for, and that was rejected by civilised countries after the war.
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Politics / Re: Maybe we should just start a The World Has Gone Mad thread
« Last post by MechAg94 on May 15, 2024, 11:19:40 PM »
I am not sure if this is a parody site or not.

 ‘Belief in Freedom’ Is Bad for You
So is “distrust of government,” according to a study in the American Journal of Medicine.
https://www.independent.org/news/article.asp?id=14392

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Politics / Re: Biden showing more symptoms . . .
« Last post by Perd Hapley on May 15, 2024, 10:53:49 PM »
So Biden said "Now he's acting like he wants to debate me again. Well, make my day, pal."  Any idea if he actually means it?  I can't believe he would even try; in a verbal battle he is unarmed.  We're talking a man who can be defeated by his own teleprompter.  What does he have in mind?

I think they want to get it over with early, so by autumn it's a distant memory. That way, Biden can't be accused of being afraid to debate.

Also, they'll claim Trump was a big meanie in debate one, as a pretext to forego any future debates.

Malarkey Joe is hot-tempered. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump made him angry enough to goad him into rage-quitting mid-debate, or some other embarrassing behavior.
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Politics / Re: The 2024 Circus
« Last post by Angel Eyes on May 15, 2024, 10:12:55 PM »
This has been making the rounds on X:


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