Trump / Biden Debate #1

[WLJ]

This came to mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRwCPUEND1U

I was think more along the line of this other MP skit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OO27A8xllA

[DittoHead]

Another one from Ron's favorite source 

I doubt any honest person’s major, primary takeaway from last night was something positive or negative about Biden.

No, everyone’s major takeaway was about Trump. As always. And while the reality of 2016 looms over all of us afraid to be wrong yet again in our predictive prowess, it feels like the wheels are falling off the bus. I strongly suspect there are very few people who went into the debate gung-ho for Trump who decided after his performance to not vote for him, but I am even more confident that the undecideds, or persuadables, or independent-moderates, or suburban moms, or whatever demographics out there are needed to give Trump a shot at winning this, were not remotely moved towards Team Trump last night.

The viewership of the next debate will be much lower. If the moderators don’t have a mute button for the speakers in debate No. 2, the viewership for debate No. 3 might be a record low. I do not say this because I disagree with President Trump on law and order, on re-opening the economy, on the credentials of Judge Amy Coney Barrett, or on the efficacy of corporate tax cuts. I agree with him on those four or five things. My problem with last night is that I could barely tell that he agrees with himself on those key issues. His demeanor undermines his own case.

I don't know if his performance was aimed at undecideds/moderates - it didn't seem like it to me. I also don't know if that is where it should be aimed or if Trump's best bet is to just make sure 100% of his rabid base votes. Count on the their enthusiasm to show up and the lack of it on Biden's side. I was very surprised that polls show more than 10% still undecided when I went to look that up.  However, It was something like 15%+ in the last weeks of 2016 and broke pretty heavily for Trump.

[Perd Hapley]

The calls from Team Biden to cancel or modify the upcoming debates are apparently widespread. So pretty obvious that Trump won round 1.

More proof?
https://www.dailywire.com/news/google-searches-for-move-to-canada-soar-after-presidential-debate

[MillCreek]

[K Frame]

CNBC is reporting that donations to the Biden campaign are surging yesterday.

No word on donations to the Republicans, but those are just racist dollars anyway.

[zxcvbob]

Trump missed an opportunity on the Amy Barrett nomination.  He should have said he made a nomination (then an aside praising himself for nominating such an awesome candidate) because the Constitution requires it.  That's his job.  The Senate then does whatever it wants with that nomination; if the president and the senate majority are of the same party they usually approve it, if they are different parties the senate usually rejects or delays it.

He otherwise got it right.

[Ben]

I didn't catch this in my selective review of the debate last night. Did Biden actually call Rittenhouse a white supremacist?

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/09/30/its-their-choice-lawyer-for-kyle-rittenhouse-gives-joe-bidens-campaign-two-options-after-white-supremacist-smear/

[Kingcreek]

I think Biden did a terrible job of moderating the trump/Wallace debate.

[TechMan]

I didn't catch this in my selective review of the debate last night. Did Biden actually call Rittenhouse a white supremacist?

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/09/30/its-their-choice-lawyer-for-kyle-rittenhouse-gives-joe-bidens-campaign-two-options-after-white-supremacist-smear/

I don't think so, but watch the video in the link, Rittenhouse's image is in there.

[JN01]

She just sounds supercilious and smug, I guess.

She IS supercilious and smug.

[fifth_column]

I didn't catch this in my selective review of the debate last night. Did Biden actually call Rittenhouse a white supremacist?

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/09/30/its-their-choice-lawyer-for-kyle-rittenhouse-gives-joe-bidens-campaign-two-options-after-white-supremacist-smear/

He didn't specifically say Rittenhouse is a white supremacist.  As I recall, he essentially said the violence in these protests is caused by white supremacists and right-wingers.  And he made a specific reference to Kenosha.  When I heard his statement I got the impression he was referring to Rittenhouse.

[dogmush]

The Joe Biden twitter account showed a picture of Rittenhouse while talking about the "white supremacists".

He may not have picked the image personally, but as the saying goes: "I'm Joe Biden, and I approved this message."

[Perd Hapley]

The Joe Biden twitter account showed a picture of Rittenhouse while talking about the "white supremacists".

He may not have picked the image personally, but as the saying goes: "I'm Joe Biden, and I approved this message."

He is the Democratic Party.

[DittoHead]

The Joe Biden twitter account showed a picture of Rittenhouse while talking about the "white supremacists".

It also showed a picture of Heather Heyer, most people can figure out they weren't calling her a white supremacist.

Chris Wallace's question that plays over the video is: are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we’ve seen in Portland.
It doesn't show the picture of Rittenhouse when Wallace says white supremacists, it shows him when he says Kenosha.

Suing Joe Biden for that would be dumb (so it will probably happen).

[dogmush]

Ah.  I had only seen the still picture of his tweet.  I don't follow @snifherJoe, so I didn't realize it was a video.

[bedlamite]

[Ben]

It also showed a picture of Heather Heyer, most people can figure out they weren't calling her a white supremacist.

condemn white supremacists and militia groups

Is there a difference on the left side? I usually see the take that "militia=white supremacy" as long as there are white people in the militia.

[Ben]

Wait -  I didn't see this before: Wallace actually had the nerve to ask Trump if he'll urge HIS supporters to stay calm if he loses? WTAF?!? Wallace has really turned into a dbag.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/09/30/gop-spox-shares-video-proving-chris-wallace-asked-the-wrong-candidate-if-hed-urge-his-supporters-to-remain-calm-if-he-loses/

[Angel Eyes]

From Joe Biden's Twitter account:



It's a pretty blatant attempt to link Rittenhouse with white supremacists.

[Ron]

Hear hear!

Enough of the pretend conservatives like at the National Review/Weekly Standard and the controlled opposition crypto leftists they've helped elect ie RINO's.

They are losers.  

[MillCreek]

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/30/918809443/trump-on-defensive-over-white-supremacist-group-after-debate-comments?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&fbclid=IwAR2UtQ9gProMGIoStY9hLGts40SxvWPdHDeH4gKcbtj3QGwRst1ri4whQ1A&fbclid=IwAR1KQG8AkAwVmwXzBBz7TpI4aFveiNoto7cTItT_Fn4uvGjF3WEpc5YCRZY&fbclid=IwAR2Jjxf2O-08eLiFfFYPw2VQqVGhoKxG_a3CunXfMlYAA-HYBvmsxNwSqTI&fbclid=IwAR35Z6VarmqRsLScwKRzV3rZTFtihZK5Nz9DCOX8491ELA1MWM2gFrcCftk

Proud Boys? Who are they?

[WLJ]

White Supremacist: Any white person who is sick and tired of the BS

[WLJ]

Rather interesting

Drew Holden fact-checks the fact-checkers after Tuesday night’s debate
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/09/30/drew-holden-fact-checks-the-fact-checkers-after-tuesday-nights-debate/

[Ron]

If you think that white supremacy is a big problem in the USA then you might just be a moron.

[Ben]

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/30/918809443/trump-on-defensive-over-white-supremacist-group-after-debate-comments?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&fbclid=IwAR2UtQ9gProMGIoStY9hLGts40SxvWPdHDeH4gKcbtj3QGwRst1ri4whQ1A&fbclid=IwAR1KQG8AkAwVmwXzBBz7TpI4aFveiNoto7cTItT_Fn4uvGjF3WEpc5YCRZY&fbclid=IwAR2Jjxf2O-08eLiFfFYPw2VQqVGhoKxG_a3CunXfMlYAA-HYBvmsxNwSqTI&fbclid=IwAR35Z6VarmqRsLScwKRzV3rZTFtihZK5Nz9DCOX8491ELA1MWM2gFrcCftk

Proud Boys? Who are they?

He makes a good point. Other than the MSM, Southern Poverty Law, and other commies telling me they are, I can find nothing that indicates Proud Boys are white supremacists. You can call them far right (though they label themselves as libertarians, and I don't know a lot of the far right that want to legalize drugs and abolish prisons) but that does not equal "white supremacist". They may have some weird ass ideas and rituals, but again, nothing white supremacist. The left seems to equate "western supremacy" with "white supremacy".

The Proud Boys were founded at the height of the 2016 presidential campaign by Gavin McInnes, a New York-based conservative online talk show host and co-founder of Vice Media who has since cut ties with the company. He estimates the membership at about 5,000 men nationwide.

McInnes and his followers believe there are 10 ways to “save America”: Abolish prisons, give each American a gun, legalize drugs, end welfare, close borders to illegal immigrants, outlaw censorship, venerate the housewife, glorify the entrepreneur, shut down the government and declare “the West is the best.”

The lefty media does the exact same labeling with three percenters, who also aren't white supremacists.