The dog debate.

[Doggy Daddy]

I have known 1 German Shepard that killed a bugler...

Can't say I blame it.  Trumpets are okay, I loves me some good sax, but bugles tend to just grate on me.

DD

[Bob F.]

Best Bud is 16 yr old GSD/Lab bitch. Got her form a boy that had a Lab bitch that came into season the first time. He came home to find a GSD dog climbing out of her pen. She's never bitten but scared hell out of a few. Very smart, usual obedience training. "Dakota, hush, he's a friend!" she pretty much loses interest. But don't pose a threat to the wife!

#2 is a 4 yr old Labradoodle. Fearsome bark when he thinks it's worth the effort. About as laid back as they come. Both take a lot of brushing. esp the old gal. #2 get sheared come sping.

Avoid the herders, they MUST herd!!

Bob

[gunsmith]

Out side of a few working lines of the various shepherd breeds no dogs are bred to have an "instinct" to hurt humans. Some of the terriers are snappy, some of the herders are nippy, and a lot of breeds from a lot of groups are territorial. But this "bred to kill" foolishness is about on par with how EBR's are designed to shoot up schools.   If your dog mauls your kid, 99.9% of the time it's the owner's fault not some mysterious "killer instinct."

I gotta agree, the smartest ranch dog here is an aussie herding dog that due to my senility I cant recall what the breed is named. He will nip you to keep you from walking somewhere -not hard but he likes you to walk where he wants.


ets aussie border collie! i recomembered! ... anyway, has anyone mentioned Airdales? they're good doggies.

[Harold Tuttle]

Bullmastiff's were trained to run down poachers and hold them

[280plus]

Shelters will tend to play down pit bull as being part of a dog's mix for obvious reasons. Max the Wonder Dog is a Black Lab "mix" and the shelter claimed the other part was beagle. Nuh uhhh, I can see the pit in there and there ain't no way he's got any beagle in him. His problem is he's the biggest wimp on the planet so the pit part is a non issue.  

I'd suggest checking you local shelters and rescue places but that's always been the way I've gotten dogs.

And as far as the debate, dogs rule cats drool, debate over. 

[Jamie B]

I gotta agree, the smartest ranch dog here is an aussie herding dog that due to my senility I cant recall what the breed is named.

Austrailian Shepherd?

[roo_ster]

Austrailian Shepherd?

Red/Blue Heeler?

[BlueStarLizzard]

Aussies are good. Well, they were awesome before the AKC got ahold of them. Now they're being shown five inches too big and being breed with too much white in the coat.

The aussie is a good example why the border collie club will not write a comformation breed standard. they breed with no emphasis on looks and all emphasis on what the dogs are supossed to do. Makes it a lot harder for idiots to come im a screw up a popular breed.

And yes, gunsmith, you mentioned airdales. Yes, they are cool dogs. If anyone wants one, I know a good breeder and can hook you up.
But for the purposes of this, I think they got vetoed. Grooming, gunsmith, they require grooming. Any dog that doesn't shed out a lot or any coat REQUIRES grooming! (note that some of the worst shedders are real short houndy coats. my beagle shed more then the huskies  )

[charby]

A Jack Russell Terrier might fit what you need. Make sure to get one in the opposite sex of your current dog.

[BlueStarLizzard]

Newfies. I love newfoundlands. They are not that big. I know a breeder, so once again, if somebody wants to go that route, shoot me a pm and i'll get you a number. Deb T. dogs are about mid thiegh high on me and i'm short. She doesn't breed the monster oversized dogs. Really cute, but the breed as a whole, not the brightest cryons in the box. And they are droolers.  

But the coat. It is work. Lots of mind numbing labor.

Ridgebacks are taller, but lighter. The only ones i've really had experiance with were a little on the aggressive side. Except one cross, who was very sweet, but nevouse (shelter dog that must have had a rough time and got timid)

As or huskie training. Ours were obediance trained and had titles. It didn't really matter. They still did crazy stuff. Some breeds really have selective hearing. In other words, they go 'deaf' if you want them to do one thing, and they want to do something else. Huskies are one of those breeds. So are anatolians.  

[BlueStarLizzard]

A Jack Russell Terrier might fit what you need. Make sure to get one in the opposite sex of your current dog.

I swear, nobody reads my posts. 

[charby]

I swear, nobody reads my posts. 

Did you mention a jack russell? I saw other terrier comments from you.

[BlueStarLizzard]

Two breeds for you to look up.

Norwegian Elkhound. They are in your size range, with the right look. Beyond that i'm not much help. I've had very little contact with the breed. But it is fairly commen in the us.

Another one, is the Shiba Inu. Another japanese dog. They are perhaps a bit tinier then you want, also a bit on tthe wild, no-no bad dog side of things. But they have lots of character and are very sweet.

[BlueStarLizzard]

Did you mention a jack russell? I saw other terrier comments from you.

Jacks were included in the catagory. And yes, although perhaps I should habe capitalized 'jr'

[280plus]

I swear, nobody reads my posts. 

You posted? 

 

[BlueStarLizzard]

I just talked to katie and got her two cent on the newfies and the norwedgin elkhounds

Deb's dogs are actually a bit undersized. Which means they are perfect newfies, just smaller then what you normally see. Debs rep is solid though, and the undersized makes sense as her preferences in most breeds run towards structure and health over size, which is oppisete of a lot of less knowledgable breeders, and in my opinion, better for the breed. Her kennel name is Cypress Bay.           http://www.cypressbaynewfoundlands.com/

the elkhounds. Katie's first statement was "i like them"   she says they are very laid back, nice dogs and much more managable then huskies and malamutes. I would say that you should definatly learn more, as they seem to fit perfectly to what you want.

[Jamie B]

Newfs are good (Dad has one) but they drool in buckets.

I thought that the OP said no drooling.

Bernese Mountain Dogs are excellent, but very little drooling.

[BlueStarLizzard]

BMD have been developing a lot of genetic issues over the past twenty or so years. It happens a lot in breeds that become an overnight 'success', as the popularity of the breed garners unwelcome attention from morons inexperanced and unscrupules breeders.

We have a client who had bernes for years and stepped away from the breed partially due to this issue. So she got leonbergers, who are now starting to get the same kind of attention.

If you go with a bernie, you have GOT to be certain of your breeder. Research, research, research.

[Jamisjockey]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brittany_(dog)

[seeker_two]

How about a Corgi?....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Corgi

I have a Corgi/Cocker mix....great dog....

[never_retreat]

I just talked to katie and got her two cent on the newfies and the norwedgin elkhounds

Deb's dogs are actually a bit undersized. Which means they are perfect newfies, just smaller then what you normally see. Debs rep is solid though, and the undersized makes sense as her preferences in most breeds run towards structure and health over size, which is oppisete of a lot of less knowledgable breeders, and in my opinion, better for the breed. Her kennel name is Cypress Bay.           http://www.cypressbaynewfoundlands.com/

the elkhounds. Katie's first statement was "i like them"   she says they are very laid back, nice dogs and much more managable then huskies and malamutes. I would say that you should definatly learn more, as they seem to fit perfectly to what you want.

I think the newfie is out, but I did run into a friend thats a vet today we did some chatting.
He had mentioned the elk hound.
The only two Akitas he met he put down. The pair killed 3 different dogs and chewed up the owner of the third one as she trying to save her dog. He has a Shiba Inu which is pretty mush the smaller version on the Akita (20 lbs) and they are a hand full.

The dog is going to be something in the Flock Guardian group. Most are good with kids other animals and a still protective.

I know someone gave me crap about the bizarre breeds I have been looking at, but I still might be looking at a odd one.
The Slovensky Cuvac, the looks of a golden (gf approved), good size 60-90lbs, good temperament, and still protective.
I like different.

How about a Corgi?....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Corgi

I have a Corgi/Cocker mix....great dog....

Neighbor has a Corgi, nice dog not what I'm looking for. If I was going that size range I would just get a Sheltie like my parents have.

[thumbody]

[Pharmacology]

Get a Maine Coon and teach him Kung Fu.

[Harold Tuttle]

a neighbor has a friend with a bassador

basset /lab mix

what a goofy mutt

But its not a mutt cause now it's a boutique breed

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/jug.htm
The Jug is not a purebred dog. It is a cross between the Jack Russell Terrier and the Pug.

[CNYCacher]

I've been thinking about getting a dog some time in the next year.  I described what I was looking for in general terms to someone who is somehow into dogs and they suggested a Tervuren.

Thoughts?