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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2011, 08:43:49 AM »
Actually a good move to determine just what they think they have on you.  Don't want to admit to something no one knows about.
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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2011, 12:18:05 PM »
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Cain deserves to lose this fight.

It sounds more like you really want him to lose this fight.

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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2011, 12:57:41 PM »
He does if he is a liar, and he seems to be.
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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2011, 01:12:32 PM »
A liar ... or just unprepared for the attack?  ??? ???
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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2011, 01:28:40 PM »
A liar ... or just unprepared for the attack?  ??? ???
Actually, Politico claimed that they contacted his campaign 10 days before the release.

At this point, Cain's team is guilty of dropping the response ball, if nothing else.

I think that the deeper story is who fed the initial information to Politico.

I saw one of the Politico folks interviewed last night, and they refused to disclose the initial source.

When asked of it was one of the other campaigns, they refused to answer that question.

Maybe the Perry or Romney camps - this seems to be the most interesting question at this point in time.
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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2011, 02:18:45 PM »
Weiner.  Edwards.  Clinton.  Kennedy.

Weiner.  Edwards.  Clinton.  Kennedy. 

Weiner.  Edwards.  Clinton.  Kennedy. 

Weiner.  Edwards.  Clinton.  Kennedy.   

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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2011, 04:45:20 PM »
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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2011, 05:13:16 PM »
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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2011, 07:11:57 PM »
Unless there is a great deal more to this than what has been reported so far, this will be nothing and Cain will be fine.  So far, I am not seeing anything even approaching political scandals of the past.
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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2011, 07:23:22 PM »
I just watched Cain on  FNC, and I liked what I saw. The man is conservative, standing up to Krauthammer, who I have believed for a couple of weeks doesn't like Cain. Cain seems to have strong convictions about what's right, which Romney doesn't. Cain shares this with Palin and Bachman, BTW.

I think the Politico hit piece was shameful journalism its worst. I'm thinking of sending Cain some money. I would be comfortable with him as President.

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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2011, 07:53:50 PM »
Actually, Politico claimed that they contacted his campaign 10 days before the release.

At this point, Cain's team is guilty of dropping the response ball, if nothing else.

I think that the deeper story is who fed the initial information to Politico.

I saw one of the Politico folks interviewed last night, and they refused to disclose the initial source.

When asked of it was one of the other campaigns, they refused to answer that question.

Maybe the Perry or Romney camps - this seems to be the most interesting question at this point in time.

Yea -- Cain DEFINANTLY needs a better and larger team ....plus he needs to bone up on foreign relations.  Saying he'll surround himself by experts may be political reality for all politicos but it doesn't cut it very well in TV interviews and campaigning.
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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2011, 10:24:16 PM »
Cain needs to get better, that's true.

But who running for President doesn't?

Obama has foreign experience?  At what?  Turning the MENA into a Caliphate? 

What we need isn't a President with "experience," it's a President with values and spine who understands where we stand and what needs to be done.
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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2011, 11:03:08 PM »
I heard some discussion on the radio today indicated that Cain was/is likely bound by a confidentiality agreement between the accuser and the Restaurant Association.  There was some commentary by some lawyer types that he likely isn't supposed to even mention there was a financial settlement.  Another guy who claimed to be a former HR manager mentioned that he may not have been involved in the investigation/settlement aside from as a witness being interviewed.
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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2011, 11:31:04 PM »
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Actually, Politico claimed that they contacted his campaign 10 days before the release.se

At this point, Cain's team is guilty of dropping the response ball, if nothing else.

Jamie B, Politico is a left wing liberal group.  You give them way too much credit.  If someone told you they were doing a story on you about something generally considered questionable behavior, wouldn't you want to actually see what they are going to say?  People say a lot of things, but until it is in print, they can deny anything and report whatever they feel like to make you look good or bad.  That's the press...  You repond early and they twist your words.  Remember Cain has access to national TV.  Better to say nothing until you are ready.  However, he should have been a little better prepared.   Does that make him a bad guy?  All I can think of is that Cain felt it was so ridiculous at the beginning that it did not merit his attention.

I think it is shameful reporting and intended to make people think exactly the way you do... liar, dropping the ball, etc.  Herman Cain is such a breath of fresh air in the political campaign.  But I'm afraid that the powers that be will eventually eat him up and spit him out.

(Added)  There is a report this evening that the amount was $35K or about 1 year's salary for the individual involved.  This does not jive with severance amounts mentioned by Cain in interviews on Monday.  No question this is a hatchet job on Cain, but this is troubling. Now I want to know the truth.
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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2011, 08:12:50 AM »
I am well aware of the political landscape here.

BTW, call Herman and tell him that China has had nuclear capability since 1964 (he indicated to PBS that he worried about them acquiring nuclear technology).

Also, watch Herman on O Rielly last night - Bill called him on not being prepared for the story.

And yes, I am aware of the political persuasion of all of these groups.

Cain is devoid of any foreign policy knowledge (Uz-Becky-Becky-Becky-stan, and see China above), and also common sense.
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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2011, 09:39:22 AM »
I am well aware of the political landscape here.

BTW, call Herman and tell him that China has had nuclear capability since 1964 (he indicated to PBS that he worried about them acquiring nuclear technology).

Also, watch Herman on O Rielly last night - Bill called him on not being prepared for the story.

And yes, I am aware of the political persuasion of all of these groups.

Cain is devoid of any foreign policy knowledge (Uz-Becky-Becky-Becky-stan, and see China above), and also common sense.
So what you are saying is that you didn't like Cain anyway and are just using this opportunity to run him down.  Thanks.  

As you are saying, you have other reasons for not liking him.  IMO, basing any dislike on this story is not sensible.   
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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2011, 10:36:15 AM »
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As you are saying, you have other reasons for not liking him.  IMO, basing any dislike on this story is not sensible.
Not at all. Your opinion is wrong.
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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2011, 11:18:05 AM »
Frankly, I don't give a damn. Everyone on each side is simply going to believe what they wanted to. Cain's a perv, and he did it. The "victim" was simply out for a pay-off, or had a vendetta, or just went intentionally overboard-PC about something that could have been interpreted in more than one way.

However, while two data points is not a statistic, I sort of have a hunch there's a trend with Cain and Clarence Thomas that the Left likes to go all "Oh no, the black guy is gonna get all grabby with the wimminz!" When of course, they tolerate all sorts of known philanderers within their own party, and really only throw them to the wolves when it counts for nothing, like Wiener, where his district was disappearing anyway...

Any incumbent with a down economy and unemployment over 7% and under 50% approval ratings, even a corpse could defeat Obama.

I just want Romney OUT of this race, period. Someone who set up the first major .gov socialized medicine system in the U.S. simply has no place in the GOP.

Huntsman and Gingrich... no love for them either, but I don't think they're factors in the race.

Besides the general resurgence of conservatism that Obama and the Tea Party has created, the other side of the coin is getting RINO's out of the party, and out of office.
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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2011, 11:55:44 AM »
Maybe someone can convince Thompson to run.
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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2011, 12:02:33 PM »
I can't believe it, but I've warmed up to Gingrich. He's still not my first choice, but should Cain flame-out, I'll vote for the guy who's has a good record of conservative governance.

I'd still prefer an executive, and I'd still prefer someone with sound moral character (he may have, since his 3rd marriage, become moral, but after 2 marriages ended by his infidelity, there's no proof), but most of all I prefer a conservative.

Gingrich may get my vote by being the least unacceptable candidate in the race.

Cain's still got my support for now, though.
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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #45 on: November 02, 2011, 12:38:35 PM »
I can't believe it, but I've warmed up to Gingrich. He's still not my first choice, but should Cain flame-out, I'll vote for the guy who's has a good record of conservative governance.

I'd still prefer an executive, and I'd still prefer someone with sound moral character (he may have, since his 3rd marriage, become moral, but after 2 marriages ended by his infidelity, there's no proof), but most of all I prefer a conservative.

Gingrich may get my vote by being the least unacceptable candidate in the race.

Cain's still got my support for now, though.

Gingrich's ideological purity is extremely suspect. The way he's gon pal'ing around with the MMGW crowd and cap-n-trade schemes, and Pelosi & Co. when she was in power is not encouraging to me.

Not so much because he believed in those things, but because he'll flip anywhere to maintain some relevance or power. It would be fine if it were the Tea Party who had him tightly by the short-n-curlies, but I'm not sure who or what interests he truly represents.

His commanding performance with the "Contract With America" after '94 looks not so much now as him being an upsurping conservative iconoclast trying to tear down the Left's spending and excesses under Clinton, but merely as someone opportunistically riding a wave.
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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #46 on: November 02, 2011, 01:50:57 PM »
Gingrich's ideological purity is extremely suspect. The way he's gon pal'ing around with the MMGW crowd and cap-n-trade schemes, and Pelosi & Co. when she was in power is not encouraging to me.

Not so much because he believed in those things, but because he'll flip anywhere to maintain some relevance or power. It would be fine if it were the Tea Party who had him tightly by the short-n-curlies, but I'm not sure who or what interests he truly represents.

His commanding performance with the "Contract With America" after '94 looks not so much now as him being an upsurping conservative iconoclast trying to tear down the Left's spending and excesses under Clinton, but merely as someone opportunistically riding a wave.

And he's still an acceptable not-Romney.
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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #47 on: November 02, 2011, 04:26:56 PM »
>And he's still an acceptable not-Romney. <

That describes damn near everyone IN Washington.

As much as I want to see Obama out of office, I don't want it at the cost of putting another RINO in. If we do that, we just validated (again) their belief that paying lip service when forced to is enough to keep getting elected...
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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #48 on: November 02, 2011, 05:19:01 PM »
>And he's still an acceptable not-Romney. <

That describes damn near everyone IN Washington.

As much as I want to see Obama out of office, I don't want it at the cost of putting another RINO in. If we do that, we just validated (again) their belief that paying lip service when forced to is enough to keep getting elected...

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Re: Stick a Fork in Cain, as he is Done!
« Reply #49 on: November 02, 2011, 05:26:04 PM »
>And he's still an acceptable not-Romney. <

That describes damn near everyone IN Washington.

As much as I want to see Obama out of office, I don't want it at the cost of putting another RINO in. If we do that, we just validated (again) their belief that paying lip service when forced to is enough to keep getting elected...

Are you willing to have 4 more years of BO in order to hold onto your ideals?  And NO, I do not want another RINO in office.  I just think that BO would do more harm than can be repaired in our lifetime.
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