Ohio execution takes 25 minutes

[Jamisjockey]

The idea of the state having the power to execute makes me queasy.  Summary executions for political prisoners is not a leap in logic. 

One SHOULD also be sickened at the thought of intentionally raping or brutilizing an innocent. What one SHOULD be and what one IS are two very diffrent things when we are discussion violent criminals.

Amen.  Some people are so broken that there is no deterrent to their crimes.

[BlueStarLizzard]

I doubt that violent criminals are all that afraid of dying the same way as a beloved pet.

I doubt that violent criminals are all that scared of dying at all, until the final moment of truth is revealed.

 In fact, I highly dount they really spend much time thinking "well, I want to go in there and rape and murder that little old lady and then steal her money and TV, but I'm scared I might get hanged/shot/beheaded/leathel injection if I get caught, so I'll just go down to walmart and steal a tv from there and watch fake snuff porn to get my jollies off instead."

If they think of the possible negitive ramifications it's probably more " If I get caught, I'll get a lawyer like that OJ Simpson had and get off on a technicality!"

[just Warren]

Going back to the Japan style, all of the prisoners are isolated. They have very little idea of what is going on. These days they are informed the morning of but what if in their daily meal they were just slipped a massive dose of whatever would do the job?

No fear or histrionics and no fuss. Of course you tell the public it's hanging so that people don't know what actually happens.

[Bigjake]

I doubt that violent criminals are all that scared of dying at all, until the final moment of truth is revealed.

 In fact, I highly dount they really spend much time thinking "well, I want to go in there and rape and murder that little old lady and then steal her money and TV, but I'm scared I might get hanged/shot/beheaded/leathel injection if I get caught, so I'll just go down to walmart and steal a tv from there and watch fake snuff porn to get my jollies off instead."

If they think of the possible negitive ramifications it's probably more " If I get caught, I'll get a lawyer like that OJ Simpson had and get off on a technicality!"

Hype much?

Bloody hell, never mind.

[BlueStarLizzard]

Hype much?

Bloody hell, never mind.

Well, you didn't really seem to get the point when I made my arguement in a less detailed manner.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Well, you didn't really seem to get the point when I made my arguement in a less detailed manner.

your imaginings of how criminals think are greatly different than my experiences.  why do you think that criminals like that?

[BlueStarLizzard]

your imaginings of how criminals think are greatly different than my experiences.  why do you think that criminals like that?

Are we talking criminals that do stuff that ends them up on death row?

Because I honestly don't think the potential negitive ramifications of their actions are a top priority in their minds and, if they are thinking about it, it's clearly not stopping them from going through with their crime.
So, it seems, their must be a diffrent, more compelling reason to commit this crime, something in their minds that makes the reward outweigh the risk.
Now, for someone who's reward outweighs the risk of prosicution that leads to Death Row? I highly doubt the method of death is in anyway, shape or form a determent.

[lee n. field]

Going back to the Japan style, all of the prisoners are isolated. They have very little idea of what is going on. These days they are informed the morning of but what if in their daily meal they were just slipped a massive dose of whatever would do the job?

No fear or histrionics and no fuss. Of course you tell the public it's hanging so that people don't know what actually happens.

"By the way, this is your last meal."

[MillCreek]

Well, you didn't really seem to get the point when I made my arguement in a less detailed manner.

'Fondles boobs'

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Are we talking criminals that do stuff that ends them up on death row?

Because I honestly don't think the potential negitive ramifications of their actions are a top priority in their minds and, if they are thinking about it, it's clearly not stopping them from going through with their crime.
So, it seems, their must be a diffrent, more compelling reason to commit this crime, something in their minds that makes the reward outweigh the risk.
Now, for someone who's reward outweighs the risk of prosicution that leads to Death Row? I highly doubt the method of death is in anyway, shape or form a determent.

how do you imagine the folks on death row break down?  sociopath vs reg folks who commit a single act

[BlueStarLizzard]

'Fondles boobs'

Millcreek, you're fondling your boobs or someone else's?

No. don't answer that.

Either way, I don't want details.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

and as per norm anti death penalty folks don't ever want to address the reality that the max is the only deterrent to a lifer and offers the only thing protecting other inmates and corrections officers from a man with nothin to lose.

[BlueStarLizzard]

how do you imagine the folks on death row break down?  sociopath vs reg folks who commit a single act

why are the regular folk who commit a single act any diffrent then the others, in this line of reasoning?

They're not.

In fact, the regular folk presumably had more awareness of the consequensis and the probility of being caught and sent away, yet they STILL DID IT.

Ergo, method of death, or in fact, the probility of death was not a signefigent factor in their decision making process.

It's pretty straight forward, guys. Dead is dead. Over the centuries, various methods of exicutions were used, from realitvly simple and straight forward stuff like hangings and beheadings all the way to crap being publically disemboweled. Yet, for some reason, some people still commited crimes for which they were sentanced to death and did so knowing the possible consiquenses.

So, I'm betting that something else is the motivation for crime, and that motivation is not deterred by various forms of punishment and death.

[BlueStarLizzard]

and as per norm anti death penalty folks don't ever want to address the reality that the max is the only deterrent to a lifer and offers the only thing protecting other inmates and corrections officers from a man with nothin to lose.

Errr... I'm not anti death penilty. I say "kill the bastards and be quick, efficiant and cheap as possible about it"

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Your imagination differs from what I've seen

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[BlueStarLizzard]

Your imagination differs from what I've seen

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So, these friends of yours on death row sat down with you and had a heart to heart chat about how they wouldn't have done what they had done if they lived in a state that preformed exicutions via public disembowlment, but the leathel injection just didn't scare them all that much?

[MillCreek]

Quote from: bluestarlizzard on Today at 09:50:04 AM
Well, you didn't really seem to get the point when I made my arguement in a less detailed manner.

'Fondles boobs'

Millcreek, you're fondling your boobs or someone else's?

No. don't answer that.

Either way, I don't want details.

[Firethorn]

One SHOULD fear being executed.  I don't believe that bunk about it not being a deterrent.

On the other hand, I don't believe it's bunk.  You see, people who end up on death row today are typically psychically broken people, or those that never intended that crime in the first place.

Criminals typically don't consider long term effects of their actions; the death penalty is as much of a motivator as 10 years in prison.  I don't have links on this, but psychologically wise, the more distant the punishment, the less real it is.  Sentences beyond 7-10 years are no more effective.  Consider Dogs - in order to correct their behavior you have to do it right then.  You can't wait a few hours.  Humans are much much longer, but anything over a year in the future loses much of it's effect.

As such, criminals that are stopped by the anticipation of punishment are stopped by the threat of a 'mere' 7 years or so.  Beyond that you're getting criminals of such a bent that they didn't consider the long term consequences at all, or at least not in any way that took DP/prison into account.

[Scout26]

Most think they are too smart to get caught.

[Firethorn]

Most think they are too smart to get caught.

My felon cousin is this way.  To be fair, any given criminal act is unlikely to be caught.  They're sufficiently bad at math to NOT realize that committing a crime that's police are 10% likely to catch them for 100 times amounts to 'you WILL be caught', and that a crime that they're 1% likely to be busted for repeated 100 times means they're 63% likely to be caught at least once.

As example, for all our drug interdiction efforts, it's estimated that we only catch 10% of the drugs coming into the USA.  There are stores that experience more shrinkage from theft!

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

So, these friends of yours on death row sat down with you and had a heart to heart chat about how they wouldn't have done what they had done if they lived in a state that preformed exicutions via public disembowlment, but the leathel injection just didn't scare them all that much?

i only know 2 guys on death row so maybe you have more experience.
i do know hundreds of guys who have pulled time and our reality was that we knew the only thing saving us from the lifers was them not wanting to get the max.  and no matter how much we might wanna fix some sob it wasn't worth us getting the max. perhaps you have some input/knowledge i missed out on in actually being in there. feel free to enlighten me with it

[Tallpine]

i only know 2 guys on death row so maybe you have more experience.
i do know hundreds of guys who have pulled time and our reality was that we knew the only thing saving us from the lifers was them not wanting to get the max.  and no matter how much we might wanna fix some sob it wasn't worth us getting the max. perhaps you have some input/knowledge i missed out on in actually being in there. feel free to enlighten me with it

The "max" being execution 

Really, we all appreciate your vast experience in the criminal world, but sometimes it would be helpful for you to just say what you mean instead of dancing all around it and insinuating that you know so much more than us without telling us what it is that you actually know. 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

mea culpa

yes  the only way to keep lifers in line is something worse than life. otherwise there is actually an incentive FOR them to kill.they gain in status

[Blakenzy]

Death isn't clean, nice, righteous or heroic. It is awkward horrible desperation, very in your face personal and no manner of technological gizmos or ceremonial protocol will make it any different.

If we can't live up to the fact that killing a man is dirty guilt-laden business then we probably shouldn't be doing it at all.

[Fitz]

mea culpa

yes  the only way to keep lifers in line is something worse than life. otherwise there is actually an incentive FOR them to kill.they gain in status

I don't always agree with csd, bit when I do, its this