Ohio execution takes 25 minutes

[MillCreek]

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2022680162_apxohioexecution.html

So essentially, they sedated him with Versed and gave him an overdose of Dilaudid, and this took 25 minutes to kill him via respiratory depression. I think it is unfortunate that they did not also give him a large dose of potassium chloride to immediately stop his heart.  I will be interested to see if the subsequent litigation finds this method to be cruel and unusual punishment. 

I am of the belief that if we need to execute people, it should be done in as quick and painless a method as possible.

[Fitz]

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2022680162_apxohioexecution.html

So essentially, they sedated him with Versed and gave him an overdose of Dilaudid, and this took 25 minutes to kill him via respiratory depression. I think it is unfortunate that they did not also give him a large dose of potassium chloride to immediately stop his heart.  I will be interested to see if the subsequent litigation finds this method to be cruel and unusual punishment. 

I am of the belief that if we need to execute people, it should be done in as quick and painless a method as possible.

I've been told that there's no evidence that the behavior exhibited was anything other than reflexive.

Anyways, if it was agony, I wouldn't care much. Look at his crimes.

Also, the potass. chloride availability was the reason they used the new method, if i recall correctly

[MillCreek]

^^^ Actually, it was because the supply of first sodium thiopental and now pentobarbital for executions has been cut off.  The states are running out of it.  In the classic three drug protocol for execution, potassium chloride is used.

[roo_ster]

I am against lethal injection.  Firing squad or drop hanging is perfectly adequate to the task and humane.  Gussying up an execution to look like a medical procedure is perverse.

[GigaBuist]

I believe CS&D has commented on this before, and I tend to agree with him.

Paraphased:  A butt-ton of heroin is painless, cheap, and effective.

[BlueStarLizzard]

I don't really give a crap about his suffering. It's the people who are watching that are the issue with using noneffective drugs. Between the family members and the family of the victim (who seemed, in this case, to stand by the death penalty, while not into revenge)
Multiple wrongs don't make a right. He killed. It was proven he was guilty. He dies. Making the family of the victim and his own family feel like crap all over again because the powers that be could not put him down efficiently is stupid.

And, aside from all that. How much extra cash got shelled out to the various medical and prison personal for having to wait that crap out?

[lupinus]

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2022680162_apxohioexecution.html

So essentially, they sedated him with Versed and gave him an overdose of Dilaudid, and this took 25 minutes to kill him via respiratory depression. I think it is unfortunate that they did not also give him a large dose of potassium chloride to immediately stop his heart.  I will be interested to see if the subsequent litigation finds this method to be cruel and unusual punishment.  

I am of the belief that if we need to execute people, it should be done in as quick and painless a method as possible.

I agree with the states statement that there is no entitlement to a pain free execution. But there would also seem to be a point that shouldn't be crossed, and monkeying with drug cocktails and taking 25 minutes to put the SOB down seems a might excessive.

I seriously don't understand why we try and be fancy about it. Drug combos are prone to issues, gas is bad juju, ol' sparky had it's share or botched executions. Bullet to the back of the head seems to be about as quick, painless, and fool proof as possible. Strap um down, line everything up for instant results, remote button to fire it with a couple dummy buttons if you want to do the whole "don't know which button did it" thing, sedate if you really feel the need, and be done with it. Quick, should be as painless as you're going to get, cheap, and preserves the rest of the body for science and organs if that's a viable option.

[MillCreek]

I am against lethal injection.  Firing squad or drop hanging is perfectly adequate to the task and humane.  Gussying up an execution to look like a medical procedure is perverse.

One of the most interesting parts of the standard lethal injection protocol is they are careful to use alcohol swabs to clean the injection site before inserting the IV catheter.  We of course do this in medicine to minimize the risk of infection.  The reason why they do it for someone who is about to die is two fold: in case of a last minute reprieve, and you would not want the prisoner to get an infection then; and the other reason is it makes it seem more like a clinical procedure and is therefore easier on the staff placing the IV.  In most states, a physician or nurse does not place the IV due to ethical issues, so they use an EMT or a specially trained corrections officer.

[MillCreek]

I agree with the states statement that there is no entitlement to a pain free execution. But there would also seem to be a point that shouldn't be crossed, and monkeying with drug cocktails and taking 25 minutes to put the SOB down seems a might excessive.

I seriously don't understand why we try and be fancy about it. Drug combos are prone to issues, gas is bad juju, ol' sparky had it's share or botched executions. Bullet to the back of the head seems to be about as quick, painless, and fool proof as possible. Strap um down, line everything up for instant results, remote button to fire it with a couple dummy buttons if you want to do the whole "don't know which button did it" thing, sedate if you really feel the need, and be done with it. Quick, should be as painless as you're going to get, cheap, and preserves the rest of the body for science and organs if that's a viable option.

I still vote for an airtight room in which you replace the ambient atmosphere with nitrogen.  http://www.gistprobono.org/ihhp/id1.html

[grislyatoms]

Sedate them, vent the room, slowly fill the room with N.

Low cost and effective.

[Azrael256]

Don't care.  He raped and murdered a pregnant woman.  Horribly.  

I believe stoning is called for in The Bible, and I'm ok with that.  Family gets the first shot.

Flamethrower, wild dogs, mortar practice. All good. Animals like that deserve to die full-on North Korean style.  Quietly petering out like an ailing octogenarian over half an hour just doesn't bring up the moral outrage.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Wait, wut?  They can't get the right drugs any more to carry out lethal executions?  Why on earth is that?

[Fitz]

Wait, wut?  They can't get the right drugs any more to carry out lethal executions?  Why on earth is that?

Drug companies are expressing moral outrage at their products being used to kill

[Viking]

France used the guillotine up until their last execution the late 1970s. Just sayin'. The English hanged people up until the 1960s. And Utah shot a dude just a couple of years ago. I don't see why people have to make *expletive deleted*it more complicated than it needs to be.

[RoadKingLarry]

While there has been heinous abuses of the death penalty over the years I strongly believe that it should be used. But, only in cases where there is no possibility of doubt as to the guilt of the condemned.

Public executions. Roll 'em out on a big flatbed trailer rigged with a gallows during half time at the stupor bowl and string 'em up.

There may be more effective methods than hanging, I'm open to suggestion.

[AZRedhawk44]

Agreed with the notion that faster and more deliberate is better.

I think the clinical nature of today's executions is because the State has no will to employ an actual executioner, so they foist the responsibility and burden to the medical profession.  I find that offensive.

A return to the hangman's noose, the guillotine, the firing squad or similar execution method will be faster, less expensive, more resolute, send a stronger message to future criminals, and will not abuse the Hippocratic oath of medical professionals.

[Northwoods]

Done right hanging is about a quick, painless and clean as it gets.

Problem is, done wrong, it can take 5+ minutes to strangle the prisoner to death if the drop is too short.

While it won't matter to the condemmed, a drop too long will severely tear or sever completely the neck.  This makes a very gruesome and messy scene for the witnesses and clean up crew to deal with.

[Fitz]

Bring back the coliseum

[Boomhauer]

Bring back the coliseum

I like it

[BobR]

Versed causes amnesia, he won't remember how long it took.   


bob

[RoadKingLarry]

No Firing Squad!

Gunzez are ebil, somedude might get shot.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Did we run outa heroin? One big shot lights out. Why make it hard

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[just Warren]

If you're going to have a death penalty then there's no better way then how the Japanese do it.

They take the prisoner straight from his cell, to the gallows. No witnesses and it is over quick. No media circus, the date is not known to anyone outside the system and it just happens.

The only problem I have is that the prisoner doesn't know either and that, I'm sure, is mentally torturous but if you tell them their family finds out and then the circus starts.

[Firethorn]

My vote is for Nitrogen asphixiation or the massive dose of heroin. 

On swabbing with alcohol - I believe one of the side effects of the alcohol is that it actually makes SEEING the veins easier.

[vaskidmark]

Here's the thing.  Intentionally inflicting pain, be it physical or emotional, is cruel.  Society has no business exercising the majesty of control over life and death in a cruel manner.

Lethal injection was, among other things, supposed to eliminate the possibility of the "horrors" of other methods gone wrong.  But then the weenies got into it and insisted it be not only "painless" but something the condemned would not be aware of at the final moment - the supposed knowlege and physical experiences between when the trap dropped and they came to the end of the rope, or between when the rifle fired and the bullet struck, etc.  All of which has always seemed to me to be taking away one of the primary purposes of a state execution - that the condemned be aware, in the literal sense as opposed to some philosophical way, that the state was taking their life.

So, since hanging and beheading and electrocution and cyanide gas and the like are all now in "disfavor", how do we go about ending the life of the condemned in a quick, efficient, method that is not cruel and also does not depend on the emotional whims of some drug manufacturer?  Without singling out any specific ideology since several of them used it, I suggest an injection directly into the heart of any of a number of commonly available chemicals.  To be crude - but not cruel - about it, use something you can get as easily as by going to the local gas station.

A state execution is not a medical procedure.  Medical personnel are not needed until it is time to confirm the condemned is well and truely dead.

stay safe.