Windows 10

[Hawkmoon]

Fitz, I encountered a page listing versions and support says that Windows 7 "Mainstream Support" has already expired, and that "Extended Support" will last until January 14, 2020.

What does that mean? What's the difference between "Mainstream" support and "Extended" support?

http://www.allyncs.com/docs/lifecyclesupport.html

[Perd Hapley]

If you already have Windows 10 reserved, there's no need to wait.
Go here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10, select 32 or 64-bit, follow the prompts, and you're off and running.

I did this with all 3 of my upgrades.

..edited for clarity..

The download tool also wanted me to choose between Pro and Pro N. N is apparently for certain European countries where Media Player, Skype, and other applications can't be included with the operating system.

[lupinus]

Fitz, I encountered a page listing versions and support says that Windows 7 "Mainstream Support" has already expired, and that "Extended Support" will last until January 14, 2020.

What does that mean? What's the difference between "Mainstream" support and "Extended" support?

http://www.allyncs.com/docs/lifecyclesupport.html

i do believe that refers to business/enterprise versions of the OS.


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[lee n. field]

Interesting...Hyper-v in the list of Windows features.   (Will find out in a minute if that will let me manage Hyper-v for 2008R2)

[Perd Hapley]

Windows 10 is already screwing up my life. Thanks, Obama.

I "upgraded" the notebook computer to 10 yesterday. This is the computer my wife uses for watching the Hulu. Everything seems just fine, but first thing this morning I'm having to fix the audio. I spent about fifteen minutes messing with it, and I even turned it off and back on again (with an Irish accent). It turns out that it was just that specific episode of the stupid show she was trying to watch that had TU audio playback, and the computer had been just fine.

Stupid Windows 10.

[Fitz]

Windows 10 is already screwing up my life. Thanks, Bill Gates! LONG LIVE STEVE JOBS!.

I "upgraded" the notebook computer to 10 yesterday. This is the computer my wife uses for watching the Hulu. Everything seems just fine, but first thing this morning I'm having to fix the audio. I spent about fifteen minutes messing with it, and I even turned it off and back on again (with an Irish accent). It turns out that it was just that specific episode of the stupid show she was trying to watch that had TU audio playback, and the computer had been just fine.

Stupid Windows 10.

FTFY

[zxcvbob]

a CPU intensive game (Civilization V) seems to run a *lot* slower on Windows 10 laptop than it did on the same machine with Win 7 Pro.  I'm about 300 turns into a game, and it has gotten to where I have to toggle the game into "strategic mode" (simple 2D map with no animations) to have it even select a unit when I click on it.  For the first 150 to 200 turns it was okay, but after that it deteriorated very quickly.

But before I can definitively blame it on Windows, I need to check the video and graphics options more closely; see if something changed to higher resolution.  Or if maybe my WorldCommunityGrid background process (protein folding) is running even tho' it is supposed to suspend whenever Civ is loaded (the machine has enough RAM to handle both, but not enough processor cores, plus it will overheat)

[Marnoot]

a CPU intensive game (Civilization V) seems to run a *lot* slower on Windows 10 laptop

I've read quite a bit that game-slowness in Windows 10 is most commonly caused by the presence of the built-in XBox app (I'm guessing it's the hooks the app puts into games to enable video streaming to friends). The app can't be uninstalled normally. You can remove it however, by doing the following:

-Start Powershell (do a desktop/start-menu search for powershell to find it)
-In Powershell, copy/paste in the following command:

Get-AppxPackage *xbox* | Remove-AppxPackage

and hit enter. You'll get a wall of red errors, but it should be removed.

[Boomhauer]

Welp I'm about to be pulled into Windows 10 whether I want it or not- laptop is degrading to the point where it's time for a replacement- case is falling apart and the keyboard is failing (right now can't do periods and commas) plus the computer is being aggravating in other little ways

Current laptop is a Toshiba which hasn't been too horrific but the hinge design on it has caused issues

So looking at an Asus for around $430 was looking at a $300 Lenovo that seemed OK in the store but the reviews on it are not good at all so going to step up by a hundred bucks or so and see what I can get

Might also look at Dell (my first Dell lasted me about 6 years and Mom's cheap Inspiron is still in great shape after 5 years or so

[Hawkmoon]

Being old-fashioned and highly resistant to change, on the new(er) notebooks with Windows 7 I run them with the display in Classic mode, to emulate Windows XP as much as possible. Is Classic mode still available in Windows 10?

[lee n. field]

Being old-fashioned and highly resistant to change, on the new(er) notebooks with Windows 7 I run them with the display in Classic mode, to emulate Windows XP as much as possible. Is Classic mode still available in Windows 10?

I'm thinking, maybe not.  I'm into something called "taskbar and start menu properties".  Nothing in there to manipulate the start menu.  Neither am I seeing anything helpful in settings -- personalization.

Classic Shell?


---edit to add---

Yup, the latest Classic Shell will do it, mostly.  Some tweaking required.

BTW, here's another tip:  Command prompt, right click, "run as administrator".  "bcdedit /set {default} bootmenupolicy legacy".  This will restore the F8 startup menu the way it worked in Win 7, so you can more easily get to the recovery environment and maybe actually fix the problem when you can't boot.

http://www.windows10forums.com/articles/enable-f8-safe-mode-boot-menu.8/

[Boomhauer]

Nevermind

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Welp I'm about to be pulled into Windows 10 whether I want it or not- laptop is degrading to the point where it's time for a replacement- case is falling apart and the keyboard is failing (right now can't do periods and commas) plus the computer is being aggravating in other little ways

Current laptop is a Toshiba which hasn't been too horrific but the hinge design on it has caused issues

So looking at an Asus for around $430 was looking at a $300 Lenovo that seemed OK in the store but the reviews on it are not good at all so going to step up by a hundred bucks or so and see what I can get

Might also look at Dell (my first Dell lasted me about 6 years and Mom's cheap Inspiron is still in great shape after 5 years or so

Woot has been running good sales


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[Brad Johnson]

Being old-fashioned and highly resistant to change, on the new(er) notebooks with Windows 7 I run them with the display in Classic mode, to emulate Windows XP as much as possible. Is Classic mode still available in Windows 10?

I wouldn't sweat it. The W10 desktop GUI will feel very familiar and intuitive to anyone used to traditional Windows menuing systems. You'll notice some of the icons are slightly different and the look a little more streamlined but you shouldn't have any trouble with it.

Brad

[Hawkmoon]

I wouldn't sweat it. The W10 desktop GUI will feel very familiar and intuitive to anyone used to traditional Windows menuing systems. You'll notice some of the icons are slightly different and the look a little more streamlined but you shouldn't have any trouble with it.

I don't have "trouble" with the Windows 7 standard GUI, but I prefer the Windows Classic GUI.

[lupinus]

Ran into my first hmm moment tonight. Fallout 3 didn't want to work. It now counts as an older game, so is to be somewhat expected. A little tweaking and setting to comparability mode seems to have made it right with the world though.


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[GigaBuist]

Woot has been running good sales

Yep!  Hard to beat an HP refurb deal and Woot has them quite frequently.  I paid $289 for a decent 17" HP laptop a month ago.  Got two of them actually.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

I grabbed this one 300
http://www.woot.com/offers/hp-15-6-amd-quad-core-touch-laptop-22


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[Boomhauer]

Yep!  Hard to beat an HP refurb deal and Woot has them quite frequently.  I paid $289 for a decent 17" HP laptop a month ago.  Got two of them actually.

What do you think of this? http://computers.woot.com/offers/hp-elitebook-8740w-17-500gb-laptop-1?ref=cnt_wp_7_1

I'm pretty sure I can't really match these specs for cheaper than $600 or so elsewhere and it won't be a business class computer

[Perd Hapley]

I don't have "trouble" with the Windows 7 standard GUI, but I prefer the Windows Classic GUI.

Why? For performance sake?

[Hawkmoon]

Why? For performance sake?

No, for visibility sake. I'm much happier with sharp colors and square corners. I'm partially color-blind (red-green weak, to be more accurate). The trend to softer, pastel screen colors makes newer web sites, and Windows 7, very difficult for me to see.

[Brad Johnson]

No, for visibility sake. I'm much happier with sharp colors and square corners. I'm partially color-blind (red-green weak, to be more accurate). The trend to softer, pastel screen colors makes newer web sites, and Windows 7, very difficult for me to see.

Then you'll love the W10 desktop interface. Clean and crisp.

Brad

[BryanP]

I just set it up for the first time on my daughter's new laptop. She went from Vista on the old one to 10 (upgraded from the preinstalled 8.1) on the new one. Once I turned off all the phone home crap and the windows update setting that uses my bandwidth for MS's own private windows update torrenting it seems to be pretty nice.

[GigaBuist]

What do you think of this? http://computers.woot.com/offers/hp-elitebook-8740w-17-500gb-laptop-1?ref=cnt_wp_7_1

I'm pretty sure I can't really match these specs for cheaper than $600 or so elsewhere and it won't be a business class computer

I'd jump on it if that's what you need.  If my work desktop needed replacement I'd be on that like a hobo on a ham sandwich.

[lupinus]

Yeah missed that. I'd jump on it.